Talk:Farm to Market Road 1093
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[edit] Namesake of Westheimer Road
Does anyone know exactly who Westheimer Road is named after? Having recently found out who T. C. Jester was, I'm quite curious. Shawn K. Quinn 06:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- It seems that it was a settlement, or at least a large estate, in Harris County - the map found here [1] is an 1895 railway map with Westheimer as a dot on it. I don't have any information other than that, but it's at least a start. There are a couple other familiar places on there that you might find interesting (like Stella), that Houston swallowed in the intervening years. You're right, it's always fascinating to learn where the names of streets come from and how so many remain while the places and people they're named after are long gone. --Souperman 19:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- More info! I found this at the Handbook of Texas Online - [2]. Apparently it was named after someone rather prominent in the history of the city. --Souperman 19:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- There indeed was a man named Westheimer, and from what I have heard, he actually built the original section of Westheimer Rd. for his moving company trucks to use, and donated it to the public. His company, Westheimer Moving & Storage still exists, even though the original Mr. Westheimer is long gone. I don't have more information, but that might give you a lead on how to find more information. --WisTex (talk) 16:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- I happened to find information in the Houston Chronicle and added that information as well as the paper's Source. It is my hope that the PDF file that I added will be able to expand other streets as well. Very fascinating stuff in that PDF and is a recommended read.--Hourick (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Name of Road
- I added a table showing the route and junctions of FM 1093 and Westheimer Rd. I did this, in part, to show that Westheimer Rd. and FM 1093 are actually separate roads that run concurrently for most its length. Westheimer Rd. goes from Midtown to the Westpark Tollway, while FM 1093 goes from I-610 to FM 1093. I also wanted to show that Fort Bend's section of the Westpark Tollway runs concurrently with FM 1093 in one section. The article as written made it sound like Westheimer Rd. is the same thing as FM 1093. For much of its length, this is true, but not for the roads entire length. A table seems to be the best way to demonstrate that. --WisTex (talk) 16:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- According this article [3], FM 1093 is designated Westheimer Rd. all the way to Fulshear, however no signs saying "Westheimer Rd." (that I have found) appear west of its merge with the Westpark Tollway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WisTex (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Importance of Route
- Westheimer Rd is a major thoroughfare in Houston, and is as wide as 8 lanes in some sections. It is a major route with a lot of traffic, and should probably be upgraded to Mid importance in the Highway category since it is a regionally important road. --WisTex (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Unmerge Westheimer Road and F.M. 1093?
Westheimer Road redirects to this article, and technically and legally they are not the same roads, although they do run concurrently for a long stretch. I tried to contribute information about Westheimer Road and those contributions were deleted. Either Westheimer Road and F.M. 1093 need to be unmerged, or my contributions about Westheimer Road should stand. --WisTex (talk) 22:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- As I have replied on my talk page, this article should only contain information for the segment of road designated FM 1093. If the portion without the designation meets Wikipedia's notability standards, then by all means create a separate article for the section not covered by this article. See WP:USST for more on city streets. --Holderca1 talk 22:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- This article is ALSO about Westheimer Road, and therefore Westheimer Road information should be allowed to be posted here. --WisTex (talk) 22:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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- But 80% of Westheimer Rd IS FM 1093. The article would be almost identical. If I create a separate article about Westheimer Rd., then someone will complain that is is almost the same as the F.M. 1093 article, and then complain that they should be merged, and then it will be merged again, and then someone will complain that Westheimer Rd. information should not be in the F.M. 1093 article and complain that they should be separate articles, etc. Also, the way the FM 1093 article is written currently, it is not obvious that Westheimer Rd IS NOT F.M. 1093 for its whole length. I tried to add information to clarify that, but you guys decided that this information is not relevant. BUT NOW THE ARTICLE IS NOT ACCURATE AND IS MISLEADING! Since I cannot add any information about how Westheimer Rd. is not the same road as F.M. 1093, how to do suggest clarifying that? I suppose clarity is not important, and it is more important to exclude information that would correctly put F.M. 1093 into proper context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WisTex (talk • contribs) 17:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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- The lead says that Westheimer continues beyond the end of FM 1093 so I fail to see what you are saying by "the way the FM 1093 article is written currently, it is not obvious that Westheimer Rd IS NOT F.M. 1093 for its whole length." Also, does the rest of Westheimer that doesn't carry the FM designation meet the Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion? --Holderca1 talk 20:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- It would be hard to justify having a single article for Westheimer road. Now if a comprehensive historical records could be kept on what happened inside 610, it would perhaps then justify a an unmerge.
- The lead says that Westheimer continues beyond the end of FM 1093 so I fail to see what you are saying by "the way the FM 1093 article is written currently, it is not obvious that Westheimer Rd IS NOT F.M. 1093 for its whole length." Also, does the rest of Westheimer that doesn't carry the FM designation meet the Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion? --Holderca1 talk 20:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Well, surely those records are kept somewhere. The FM article already has a history of how Westheimer Road started. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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