User talk:Fang Aili/Archive15

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Archive This is an archive of inactive discussions. Please do not edit it. If you wish to revitalize an old topic, bring it up on the active talk page.
Archive 1: 9 August 2005 - 13 February 2006
Archive 2: 14 February 2006 - 21 March 2006
Archive 3: 15 February 2006 - 28 April 2006
Archive 4: 29 April 2006 - 6 June 2006
Archive 5: 6 June 2006 - 23 June 2006
Archive 6: 23 June 2006 - 1 August 2006
Archive 7: 1 August 2006 - 22 August 2006
Archive 8: 23 August 2006 - 2 September 2006
Archive 9: 2 September 2006 - 13 October 2006
Archive 10: 14 October 2006 - 6 November 2006
Archive 11: 6 November 2006 - 21 November 2006
Archive 12: 22 November 2006 - 20 December 2006
Archive 13: 21 December 2006 - 5 January 2007
Archive 14: 6 January 2007 - 6 February 2007
Archive 15: 6 February 2007 - 5 March 2007
Archive 16: 5 March 2007 - 28 March 2007
Archive 17: 29 March 2007 - 3 May 2007
Archive 18: 4 May 2007 - 20 June 2007
Archive 19: 1 July 2007 - 25 July 2007
Archive 20: 26 July 2007 - 13 December 2007

Contents

[edit] Template:GFDL-presumed

Um in the situation you have just outlined I doubt it is legal.Geni 20:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

the person has not in fact agreed to GFDL so the "by uploading it to Wikipedia, has released it under the GNU Free Documentation License" claim is false.Geni 22:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] me again

Hi, jadger here again. user:Serafin has been blocked for a month, but keeps using his other IP addresses that have not been blocked for as long. should they not be blocked for the duration of his block? he is still personally attacking me and user:Richardshusr at Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II.

Also, please check out User:Xx236's comments on that same page, such as where he starts flaming me, stating: The discussion here isn't between Poles and Germans, but is caused by a Canadian Prussian. OR Would someone neutral ask Jadger to concentrate on the article rather than on me and the Prussian glory? Xx236 14:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC) I never personally attacked him, I countered his "points" and might have been at most uncivil, but I repeatedly asked him to stop but he kept attacking me. Talk to either User:Lysy or User:Richardshusr and they will tell you I have been doing a lot more to resolve the disputes on the page and get it unprotected than either of these disruptive editors have.

--Jadger 04:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 81.111.57.144

I request that this I.P adress be blocked from editing wikipedia for vandelism --Cooper3456173 talk 17:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I warned the user for the recent vandalism. If s/he continues to vandalise I'll consider a block. Thanks. --Fang Aili talk 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks --Cooper3456173 talk 17:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Imperial Oaks, Texas

Hey, Fang Aili. I re-established the article about Imperial Oaks here. I added more information to it :) WhisperToMe 21:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yep - A new elementary school opened in the neighborhood recently, and the neighborhood has been developed since 1990. WhisperToMe 22:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

A lot of large developments open in stages... i.e. One section opens during one year, and then a new section opens in another year :) WhisperToMe 22:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Holy...

Hi Fang Aili!

Have you seen this or this? Basically, they are lists of the hardest-working admins in the deletion category. You're #3 on the list. I knew you did a lot of the deletion work... I never knew you did that much. Holy crap; that's a lot of work: over 13,000 deletes since October. Wow. And now I totally look like a slacker. ;) Congratulations! Here's a barnstar!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For over 13,000 page deletions in four months. That's around 120 deletes a day. I don't know how you do it, but your efforts have helped keep this encyclopedia free of junk. Thank you! Firsfron of Ronchester 01:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Please use the {{ hangon }} tag when contesting a speedy deletion. Also, by contesting the speedy you're ignoring the full AfD that was already held on this topic (and settled the WP:N objection). Please see WP:AGF. Thanks.  :) /Blaxthos

Which article are you talking about? --Fang Aili talk 06:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Removal of speedy deletion. /Blaxthos 06:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is a "full AfD"? Just because it was AfD'd once does not mean it has to stay deleted. Also, at least one other administrator thinks this article should be here; the logs show that User:Carnildo restored it on February 6, with the summary "One of the founding Keenspot comics? Hardly "non-notable". If you want to AfD it again, go ahead. --Fang Aili talk 06:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

::Dude, use the tag as instructed on the speedy template. Do not simply remove the template. /Blaxthos 06:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm an admin and I can remove the tag if I so choose. Please read the policy pages on this. --Fang Aili talk 06:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I guess you can then. AfD opened -- sorry for not investigating your credentials more thoroughly. A particular new account is going around re-creating AfD articles (seconds after they're speedily taken off, he re-creates again). Thanks for the note.  :) /Blaxthos 06:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 14:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the welcome message Dudemanbro 17:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted page

hey, you deleted my articles. I am sorry that they are inappropriate. Tell me how to change them or If they should be deleted altogether--Dudemanbro 17:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deleted articles

I see, thanks for explaining. I appreciate the help. --Dudemanbro 17:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Worldwave and Attack

Fang Shi San, Why is this an attack? Would you like verification? WizardOfWor 17:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Because it only serves to attack them. It would be more appropriate to add to the MDS International, if you have reliable sources. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 17:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review notification

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Westfield Warrawong. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 20:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure they'd be deleted that way (if not, yeesh, I wouldn't know what to think.) Quite realistically, though, I'd like the unilateral undeletions reviewed. For Rebecca to accuse me of "abusing admin powers" I don't even have after unilaterally using hers without review seems...unusual logic, and that's the nicest way I can put that. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 20:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Page

Hey you deleted my page entitled "Polish mafia" I believe that it is a very informative page and I believe it should still be here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yourmomthirtythree (talk • contribs) 21:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

Apologies, but that article sounded like fiction. Do you have any supporting references? --Fang Aili talk 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding "EHDD"

Hi, you deleted my "EHDD" page. May I ask why? It is very similar in style to other pages. Let me know what it takes to have it posted and keep posted. Thanks. - User talk:EHDD - February 9, 2007

Hi. It doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and it also sounded like an advertisement. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style guidelines

Check out the style guidelines for film articles. For the Plot section, "Plot summaries should be between 400 and 700 words (about 600 words), but should not exceed 900 words unless there is a specific reasons such as a complicated plot." —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 03:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ben O'Donoghue

I have restored the above referenced article resulting from permissions received for the text. It is usually fairly easy to get permissions for this type of article. Please note, however, if this needs to be deleted for other reasons, such as quality or notability of the subject, please make that clear. Thanks. Bastiq▼e demandez 23:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrote it

RE: Talk:Marshall_v._Marshall

I rewrote the article.

Next time add the {{technical}} tag when you don't understand an article. Travb (talk) 02:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Descriptive Header

Hello. This message is just here to distract you while I go delete articles in CAT:CSD. If I had a penny for every time you've internal error'd me today... -- Steel 15:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Article

Hello,

I had 3 pages on wikipedia and I submitted 2 for deletion but all 3 are gone. I had real age Real Age and RealAge. The only correct on was RealAge and I did everything I was supposed to. All my images were copywrite tagged properly and all the info was factual and all my sources were cited. I worked for days learning how to use wikipedia and uploading images and I finally had it perfect last night. I don't have a back up of the final version. I am a student at SDSU and I have to turn that page in for a grade today and now I am freaking out, as you can imagine. Everything I have done, all my images, pages ect are gone like they never happened, there is no way I can do another page in just one day. I just don't understand why it was taken down? Can you please put it back up, and all my pictures too?

Amber Scott Realage 16:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Real Age was written like an advertisment, and also doesn't assert notability. Wikipedia cannot accept such entries. Also, Wikipedia isn't for homework assignments. I sympathize with your situation, but this is an encyclopedia. --Fang Aili talk 16:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: deleted article

I understand it is not for "homework assignments", however people contribute for many reasons, as long as the information meets requirements no one questions why the good information go there, they are just happy it is there. I use this site for research all the time and I never meant for my only contribution to be written like an advertisement. I needed to learn how to use an online resource and I love this one so I chose it. I truly did find this company interesting and I wanted users to get better info when they searched online then just being directed to the site. I was trying to explain the site so people would have a better understanding of what it did, the goal was to be historical and informational. The health resources are interesting and there is not another site with a test like that. Can you at least tell me a better way to write it to meet your standards, because grade aside I do feel this information should be on wikipedia for people to read about and I would like to make it right and submit it again. If nothing else can you at least email me the file so I can have what took me over a week to learn? Amber Scott Amber 17:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I emailed it to you. I encourage you to *not* simply repost it, because it will be deleted again. If you were to rewrite it so it doesn't sound like an advertisement, it would still need to meet standards of notability, which it doesn't at the moment. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 17:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you so much, I know this isn't your job but do you have any advice personally on how to make it better? I of course have read the standards of notability but I would like your opinion if you have the time. Thank you again. Amber 17:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

There's not much to say unless you really think it meets the notability guidelines at WP:WEB. If it did, it would need a complete rewrite not to sound so spammy. You could try reading the Guide to writing better articles for starters, or look at some other website articles. --Fang Aili talk 17:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shopping TVA revert

Is there some specific reason you reverted me at Shopping TVA? --Fang Aili talk 17:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you deleted valuable info and deleted the logo, all of which are valuable info to the article. MusiMax 17:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC}
The logo was redlinked, and was deleted because it didn't indicate a source. The "important information" sounded spammy. --Fang Aili talk 17:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks; I've been gone for a while due to personal matters which have recently been resolved.--TBCΦtalk? 16:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Service Volleball

Why did you delete that page, everything on it was accurate? If you don't think that intramural volleyball is a meaningful topic then that is a matter of personal judgment. I found an article about "sharking" in Japan and if that satisfies a meaningful requirement then I don't see why this should not. Can you please reinstate the page? Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zs314 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Personal service volleyball
  • Personal service volley ball
  • Sharking
  • Zs314 (talk · contribs)
This topic does not assert notability, and is not notable according to Wikipedia's standards. Sharking does look a little strange, and I might nominate it for deletion. By the way, you folks might want to decide on a spelling for your team. --Fang Aili talk 18:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] hey

is there a reason you deleted my user page--Notker Balbulus 22:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

hey this is tyler dhein. My real name is zach mm. why did you remove my page about me and my brother trey. would you please restore what i put about us. Tyler Dhein (talk · contribs)

You will have to provide a specific page name. Thanks. --Fang Aili talk 17:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Méga erased

All is verifiable vie the website megatfo.org this is simply information regarding the program. I don't get it, could you explain ? Dcarbert 19:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)dcarbert, february 16th, 2007

Please provide an exact page name. I don't see anything under "Méga". Thanks, Fang Aili talk 19:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frag-Ops page deletion...?

Why was the page about Frag-ops (a UT2004 mod) deleted?

Frag-ops is a UT2004 mod, just like "Red Orchestra (game mod)" which seems to have a Wiki page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drkimca (talk • contribs) 11:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

Hello Drkimca. It was deleted for two reasons: because it did not assert notability, and because it sounded like an advertisment. Red Orchestra is different because it has a claim of notability (as the winner of game prizes and such), and it's written encyclopedically. Let me know if you have further questions. --Fang Aili talk 15:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Aili, I'm sorry the original post sounded like an advertisement. As far as the "advertisement" tone of the post; I don't think the original poster understood the Wiki style criteria. Perhaps if you would undelete the page, it could be modified to the proper style. Frag-Ops is a non-commercial, volunteer project (like the Wikipedia) and its userbase are an enthusiastic group.

As far as "notability," this is a significant mod for the Unreal 2 engine and has been worked on and played by users around the world (like "Red Orchestra" and other Unreal mods covered in Wikipedia.)

Thank you for your attention in the matter.

Hi Drkimca. I'm afraid I can't undelete it at this time. It would need a complete rewrite to not sound like an advertisement. If you like, you can email me, and I'll respond with a copy of the article. Also, if you try again, it would help if you added sources proving that it is notable (played by users around the world, etc). This way it won't get speedy deleted again. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 14:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Natl1's RFA

Hello Fang Aili/Archive15, thank you for the recent support in my recent RFA. However, even with your generous support the RFA did not succeed. I still hope to become a sysop in the future and have compiled a list of things to do before having another RFA.

1. Use edit summaries (I have enabled edit summary warnings) Grandmasterka, Jhfireboy

2. Mark edits as minor Jhfireboy

3. Not enough (2,000) edits for adminship Anthony.bradbury

4. 6 months of experience needed to become an admin. Nishkid64

5. Try more Wikipedia mainspace edits, policy edits, and Wikipedia article edits. Darthgriz98

6. Do not use fair use images in user namespace (sandboxes). MECU
Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 13:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist

Hello Erica,

I submitted an article today for Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist. I was just notified that you deleted it because you thought it was advertising. Please allow me to explain more about CMPS. The mortgage industry has been highly unregulated with many originators practicing in an unscrupulous manner. To address these concerns and raise the level of professionalism in the mortgage industry, the CMPS Institute was formed in 2005. I added a paragraph just before you deleted it addressing who oficially recognizes the certification. First, the national CFP Board (Certified Financial Planner) approved the CMPS curriculum for 13 hours of continuing education for CFP practitioners. (Please see the Certified Financial Planner article in Wikipedia.) Also, many states require continuing education for mortgage professionals to maintain licensure. The CMPS curriculum has been approved in the following statse: CA (14 hours), FL (10 hours), IL (6 hours), MD (14 hours), PA (4 hours), TX (7 hours), UT (14 hours).

Our founder and chairmain, Gibran Nicholas, was just interviewed by PBS, and we thought it was important to have an entry on Wikipedia as people have questions about CMPS. We are the first and most widely recognized mortgage planning certification program in the United States.

Please repost our article.

Thank you,

Beth Maybee, editorCMPSadministration 20:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC) CMPS Institute —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CMPSadministration (talk • contribs) 20:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Certified Mortgage Planning Specialist
  • CMPSadministration (talk · contribs)


Hello Beth Maybee. Thank you for being polite and professional. Unfortunately I cannot restore the article at this time. It does not conform to several Wikipedia guidelines:
  1. It sounds like an advertisment. Wikipedia's speedy deletion guideline "G11" states, "Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group, service or person and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic [are candidates for speedy deletion]." I'm afraid your article would need to be fundamentally rewritten. I would be happy to e-mail its contents to you if you do not have a copy on your own computer.
  2. It does not assert notability. Basically it needs to answer the question, "Why does this matter?"
  3. Your username (CMPSadministration) indicates you are intimately involved in this topic, which constitutes a conflict of interest. While you are not forbidden from editing such articles, it is simply bad form to do so. If this topic is notable enough for Wikipedia, an unrelated party will write about it.
I hope this answers your questions. Please let me know if there's anything else I can explain. --Fang Aili talk 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maned wolf

What would you be referring to when you state that you deleted this picture for "improper license?" I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia , and see that images uploaded with permission are deleted. How would I go about uploading a picture then? I e-mailed the webmaster of the site I retrieved the image from, and he or she granted me permission to use it on any website as long as I linked back to their website, www.arkgallery.org. Thanks for your time. Ziing 01:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid this image isn't usable, if you have to link back. It's against Wikipedia policy. Thanks for trying to contribute, though! Please let me know if I can answer any other questions for you. --Fang Aili talk 14:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delection of page on Microinsurance

Hello, I do not understand why this page was deleted. Thanks for clarifying

Vfaber 16:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC) Vfaber 20.02.2007

Hello Vfaber. It was deleted because it read like an advertisement. Thank you, Fang Aili talk 14:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The CGAP Working Group on Microinsurance is an informal grouping of people working in the domaine of microinsurance. We are not a business. Please reinstate the page so that I can finalise it. Microinsurance is a product of microfinance (which received this year the Nobel Peace Prize via Yunus). Thanks Vfabervfaber

[edit] Trestle

Thanks I appreciate the advice, I am new at this and have very limited time to add to it. However it is very important that I help the general population know more about this structure thus: I devote time to it. Thanks for yours. (btw: I have added your queries)

Dra8ton--Dra8ton 14:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha, got it thanks. I'll learn. Dra8ton--Dra8ton 15:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scharks' RfA

Hi Nishkid. I read your !vote at Scharks' RfA. I don't have any personal interest in Scharks, and I didn't know him/her before reading this RfA. But I just wanted to say that it would be easy for him to start out with the easy XfD decisions, and work his way up to the harder ones. The fact that he doesn't have much experience with it now doesn't mean he'd be bad at closing a unanimous keep, for instance. I just wanted to bring this up because it's my belief that RfA standards have, in general, increased so greatly that we might be preventing good and dedicated editors from becoming admins. I respect your opinion completely, but just wanted to give my 2 cents. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 22:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand your opinion, but I respectfully disagree. From my own personal experiences, I know that if I hadn't been involved in XfDs prior to becoming an admin, I would not have been able to help out much in that sector. You learn a great deal about policy while participating in XfDs, and I feel participating in XfDs would help Scharks be prepared when he has to close XfDs in the future. I will no doubt support his next RfA if he keeps up the good work, and just makes those minor improvements that I stated. Nishkid64 22:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks (re: Wikipedia talk:Admin coaching)

Hi Tellyaddict. I've responded to your question over at Wikipedia talk:Admin coaching. Sorry it took so long! I missed it on my watchlist. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 16:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't mind about the late reply! Thanks for your detailed answer, even though I'm not an admin at the munute I am going to go for an RfA in June if I feel ready and the community trusts me. Thanks again!TellyaddictEditor review! 16:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Great! If you ever have questions, you can ask me. I don't have to be your admin coach! Cheers, Fang Aili talk 16:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Doc tropics

Hi - yeah, we worked together until mid-December - we had several good sessions. Its been over 2 months since he's been inactive and he hasn't responded to my email. We can definitely continue where we left off if/when he comes back, but there was nothing else to do but say that our coaching work is over for now. I'm ready for a new assignment but I request that you postpone giving me a new assignment for at least a couple of weeks, as I'm involved in an ArbCom case right now. Rama's arrow 17:22, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to ask - can I be of any assistance to you in managing the entire program? I'd love to help out in any way I can. Rama's arrow 17:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm your man :) Rama's arrow 18:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Admin coaching - (aeropagitica) and SP-KP

Did User:SP-KP ever contact you about admin coaching? (see here) If not, I'm going to remove his name from the request list and free you up for a new student. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 17:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I wasn't contacted as a follow-up to this. Please go ahead and assign someone else to me. Also, I am going on a Wikibreak until March 11th, so I won't be available regularly until then. Regards, (aeropagitica) 17:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching? - Andrevan and Icelandic Hurricane

Just wondering if you and User:Icelandic Hurricane have done any admin coaching. Trying to keep tabs on the coaches and such. Please let me know. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 15:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Checking in again--are you still interested in being a coach? Please let me know. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 17:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, very sorry, I've been busy and such. We haven't actually done anything meaningful yet but I am still interested. Andre (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Would you contact Icelandic Hurricane and see if he still wants to be coached? You can update your status here. Thank you for volunteering. :) --Fang Aili talk 14:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA comment followup

Hello George. I was reading over your RfA, and I have a question for you. Do you still hold to your statement at ArbCom?:
"Posting someone's real life id info online is not a real life attack. A real life attack is being punched or having someone pull a gun or knife on you, or at the very least someone having made a real world information attack such as harrassing phone calls to you, your friends or relatives or employers, etc. It is quite serious to have people going around posting personal details online that you want kept private. But it's not a real life attack. You do not have perspective here."[1]

I would appreciate any context and background you could provide. I did not follow and have not read that whole ArbCom case, and I don't need a lot of details about your interaction with MONGO. What I'm interested in is your definition of "real life". Thank you, Fang Aili talk 19:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your question.

My particular argument over the issue which you got the quote of mine from was roughly this... sometimes, online conflicts escalate into real life in some form or another. I'd establish a scale of levels something like:

  1. Just online arguing
  2. Online threats
  3. Threats using real-world info, but made online
  4. Threats made in real world
  5. Physical attacks in real world

I have seen incidents which went all the way up to a real-world physical attack, and a number where people were threatened in real life (in person or on the phone). I've been the recipient of some of them. I take those very seriously, particularly the ones that escalate into physical attacks.

I also know that people who are threatened online, particularly ones who have real-world info like names, phone numbers, home addresses, employer info posted or used in the threat, often take it very seriously and feel threatened.

My point was that the last two, where some sort of actual contact is made offline, are on a different level than ones where the contact is purely online. The vast overwhelming majority of threat cases which start online end there without anything serious coming from it, even if a name or phone number or home address are used as part of the threat.

I don't think that "only online" means that you don't take such threats seriously, particularly if they did dig up real life info. But I think it's important to keep in mind that it can be much worse than that, and that once it does cross into actually real world actions, it's much more serious.

The particular threats to MONGO reached (as far as I am aware) the third level, with some of his personal and employer info posted at ED and Wikipedia, but not further. If any more happened than that, he didn't say anything online that I saw.

I am entirely in agreement with WP enforcing the policy of letting pseudonymous editors and admins stay that way and protecting privacy; I don't live that way myself, I think it's not a big deal, but that's the standard we've set for WP and I don't want people feeling threatened by abusers getting away with posting real life info.

I do want to keep a line there, between "posted someone's real life info" and "called them or approached them threateningly in real life", and then between that and "physically attacked someone in real life". WP policy doesn't require we instantly permanently ban for accidental or relatively minor personal information releases, though it's a problem and we do need to take it seriously, particularly if it's part of a wider harrassment campaign. We should for real life harrassing phone calls, in-person threats, or in-person attacks, and those justify involving the police as well.

I hope this clarifies the situation. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. Georgewilliamherbert 22:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I feel like this all is a bit over my head, so I'm not going to vote at your RfA unless it looks like it's going to be close (then I'll think about it a little more). But it looks like you will probably succeed. Good luck! Cheers, Fang Aili talk 14:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] coaching User:Fabrib

Hi Firsfron, how goes? Are you still coaching User:Fabrib? I'm doing a little housecleaning at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Status. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 17:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Fang Aili,
All goes well (except I lost my watchlist and am having to rebuild it from scratch). I am still coaching Fabio, though he hasn't commented on the coaching page recently. And I've just sent an RFA nomination for user:Deryck Chan, so I don't know how much longer I will be coaching him. Firsfron of Ronchester 00:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the update. Let me know if you'd like an additional student (or feel free to seek one out yourself). I'm sure Deryck's RfA will go well. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 14:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
How'd you lose your watchlist?? --Fang Aili talk 14:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Some sort of software glitch happened, and I was unable to remove thousands of pages from my watchlist. I'd click "remove from watchlist", and it would say "removed successfully", but they would still be there. At the end, I had over 10,000 articles on my watchlist with no end in sight. No one was able to offer a suggestion to remove the unwanted items, and I couldn't do a very good job trying to monitor that many items. I finally made the reluctant decision to try to just remove all items, which worked, but of course wiped out everything. If Deryck's RFA is successful, I could probably take on another coachee, but of course I'd like to wait and see first. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 17:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: admin coaching

Hi Erica, I would like a new coachee since he hasn't asked me anything yet or communicated with me after that reply. Do help me find a coachee who has been active in the recent weeks (like making an edit or two everyday). Thanks a lot. Terence Ong 恭喜发财 10:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll see what I can do in the next few days or weeks. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 14:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
If you'd like to seek out a student too, or you just know someone you'd like to coach, that's fine too. Just let me know. --Fang Aili talk 14:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Dgies has approached me to be his admin coach. Admin coaching has already started. I hope its fine with you. Do add his name to the status page. Thanks. Terence Ong 恭喜发财 10:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin Coaching

No thanks, I no longer wish to become a Wikipedia administrator. Thanks for the offer anyway. Hello32020 19:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SAINT (Software)

I saw that you were the editor of record removing the SAINT (software) page. I would like advice in what ways the contents of the page may be altered to make the article not advertisement. I attempted to use both eliminate weasel words and to use Nessus (software) as a guide. The two products are competitors in the marketplace. Thank You. Naraht 20:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Naraht. To be honest, Nessus (software) is mostly unreadable to me. It should really be cleaned up to remove all the technobabble. Regarding SAINT (software), the loudest indicator of spam is the use of the "®", and the outlining of certain products or services in the headers. But basically it just looks like it's trying to sell it to me. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia really doesn't need a blow-by-blow description of exactly what the product does or what makes it cool. We need to know why it matters. Does this help? There are also various article-writing help pages you can look at, like Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 20:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank You, when I saw the proposal for Rapid Delete, I made a copy onto my machine, I'll edit it and put it in a personal sandbox for you to look at sometime in the next week if that is OK with you. Naraht 20:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'll be happy to look it over when you're ready. I also added some tags to Nessus (software). Cheers, Fang Aili talk 20:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LuxSci

Hey there,

I see that you just deleted the page I added for LuxSci due to it being to close to an advertisement, and I was hoping I could get it undeleted so that I can continue working on it. My intention was not to promote this page as an advertisement, but rather to inform about the specific differences that set it apart from some of the other services like Gmail. Is there a specific section in the article that's causing it to be classified as an advertisement? Or was it just because it didn't present enough information yet? Please let me know what I can do to improve upon it so that the page remains up.

Thanks very much in advance. Moonflaker 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moonflaker (talk • contribs) 20:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Hello Moonflaker. Basically it just looks like it's trying to sell it to me. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia really doesn't need a blow-by-blow description of exactly what the product does or what makes it cool. We need to know why it matters. It would be important to note, for instance, how many users it has, what countries it is used in, whether it is used by businesses (and which ones?), etc, etc. More help can be found at various article-writing help pages such as Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles. If you don't have a copy of the article, send me an e-mail, and I'll send you a copy. (Use the "E-mail this user" button on the left, under "toolbox".) Cheers, Fang Aili talk 21:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've trimmed down the LuxSci article going by what I gleaned from the guide and from other similar pages such as Hushmail. If you're willing, I'm open to any criticisms or concerns. Thanks again. Moonflaker 21:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You could create a user subpage and put it there for the time being. Try User:Moonflaker/LuxSci. --Fang Aili talk 21:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Er, nevermind, I see it. Good job trimming it down. Just one thing: you might want to check the guidelines at WP:CORP. I'm not that familiar with it, but you might want to double check that you're meeting one or more of the guidelines. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 21:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Admin Coaching

Hi Fang Aili. Wow, it has bee a while since I checked that list. Yeah, I would still like a coach, I've come along way, but I feel that I could still benefit from some admin experience. Regards, Dfrg.msc 21:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Just saw Dfrg.msc's message above. I've had some interaction with him and would be delighted to assist here :) Glen 13:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Consider yourselves matched! Cheers and good luck! --Fang Aili talk 16:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou, both of you. I both know and respect Glen, and I feel he is an excellent admin and has proved to be a great coach. Thanks again Fang Aili for giving me this opportunity. Regards, Dfrg.msc 22:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted page

Hi, I want to ask you why have you deleted my page about a group As We Fight? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dexta1 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Hi Dexta1. It was deleted because it did not assert notability (see WP:BAND). If, after reading those pages, you think they really are notable, let me know. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 16:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

Sure I'd be happy to assist with a new "student" since my last one passed with such flying colours! :) Glen 13:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions

I would invite you to comment on this thread where your activities are mentioned. Dragons flight 20:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:CJ King/Admin coaching

Hey, I just answered the question that you gave me. Please look at it. Thanks!--CJ King 22:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Human Nature (Doctor Who novel)

Thanks for deleting Human Nature (Doctor Who novel). I've now moved Human Nature (Doctor Who) to the now empty page as required. Unfortunately, I could not move Talk:Human Nature (Doctor Who) to Talk:Human Nature (Doctor Who novel) as you forgot to delete it with the article page. As an administrator, please could you move this page for me? Thanks, Silver Nemesis 21:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it. Should be peachy now. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 21:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request an account

We need to discuss an appropriate way to handle names that already exist. I've been removing them and e-mailing the users in question to pick a new username. Replying on the Request an account page is an issue, because most of the editors of that page overwrite other people's requests as it is, and more text can only make it more confusing. Ral315 » 22:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fairfield University Template

The image in the template that you erased was a logo and not fair use image that I enhanced in paintbrush. I did this in the same manner as done on the Duke template. Please help me understand the difference. I really get frustrated when I spend a considerable amount of time creating content and then others swoop in and just erase everything that I have done. (Stagophile 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)).

Unfortunately, logos (at least those that use the {{logo}} tag, are fair use images. Wikipedia:Fair use, under "policy", says Fair use images may be used only in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. I know it's a bummer, but it's the way it is. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 15:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Tolkien

I responded to your question "why was this nominated". In short, my understanding of WP:NOT precludes family trees like this. Something I didn't consider though is someone redoing this as a navigation bar at this templatespace, which to me would be a perfectly acceptable solution... not that it matters what I think though because it seems pretty clear consensus is against me on this one.--Isotope23 17:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

Husond and Terence Ong have agreed to offer me admin coaching. Terence suggested I inform you. As the coordinator, do you have any suggestions on how this is supposed to work? On the flip side, I've tried being an adopter and I have a hard time knowing how much oversight I should be giving. —Dgiest c 19:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Thanks for taking the initiative and finding yourself coaches. Admin coaching is pretty user-specific; it all depends on what you want to do, and what you and your coaches agree to. You can conduct the coaching any way you wish: on-wiki, through IRC, e-mail, whatever. Cheers and good luck, Fang Aili talk 15:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] common archives

Hi - I have a suggestion to make - is it a good idea to have all the coaching sessions to be conducted on subpages of the main project page, like Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Training/Username? The benefits include:

  1. Making it easy to keep track of status/activity.
  2. Have a single reference point and working place for coaches and students.
  3. Keep the coaching systematic - the instruction, exercises and subject matter.
  4. Have a permanent archive of records and resources to help others. It may help to have old sessions as records and references for anybody interested in this.
  5. It may also help in the way that other coaches and interested parties can chip in and give some valuable feedback. If a coach has questions or is uncertain, that could certainly help. Plus, the co-coaching can be organized easily.

Rama's arrow 20:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion! Maybe you could bring it up at the admin coaching talk page. But my inital thought is that creating a structure would impose unnecessary restrictions. Some people don't coach on-wiki at all, and coaching methods are many and varied. --Fang Aili talk 15:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sea_Beast.jpg

This Image "Sea Beast" a movie screenshot from the 1926 The Sea Beast. You (Fang Aili) deleted this image due to "invalid licensing" but this image, according to the Copypright Owners , The Motion Picture and Television Archive. MPTA says;

 The Motion Picture and Television Archive (MPTV) is dedicated to the preservation, documentation, and promotion
of the most outstanding past and present photography from all facets of the entertainment industry. MPTV's growing library
includes over one million fully documented images by more than fifty photographers; many never before published with
biographies of the photographers wherever available. Their goal is to promote the conservation, exhibition and publication
of this photography while assuring proper recognition to the photographer and/or accreditation to the proper source.

This image accreditated as an image of the MPTV is able to be used in publications, espcially that of educational purposes. I ask that if you feel that this image, "Sea Beast" needs to be deleted please tell me why before doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miller T. Brummett (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia does not allow photos that may only be used for educational purposes. See WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia, criteria #3. --Fang Aili talk 04:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted page

The Snaap! article is not an advertisement. As discussed in the talk page, I am still trying to gather more information on the service. However, it just got started, so, can't get any more information other than the website. Please restore my article. --theorb 18:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Even if it wasn't an advertisement, there's still no claim of notability. I'm sorry, but this is a pretty clear example of a speedy delete. If you don't have a copy of the article on your own computer, I'd be happy to e-mail it to you. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 18:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Mastered Compact Disc

Hi Fang Aili. I have made the page with the intention to describe the PMCD which is a working tool for professionals in my field of work (Mastering engineer).

I didn't mean to advertise anything, probably the names Sonic solutions and Sony were the triggers (I am assuming) but, if so, it's a historic fact that these 2 companies created this important tool.

If this is a problem then you have to take away the Phillip's credit for the development of the CD-R. This would be the wrong thing to do from the historic point of view. Let me know if we can discus this further and thanks. Evinatea 20:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem with the article is that it doesn't answer the question "why does this matter?" We don't need a blow-by-blow description of the product - this is why it was deleted as spam. If you don't have a copy of the article I'd be happy to e-mail you one (use the "e-mail this user" button on the left, under "toolbox"). Thanks, Fang Aili talk 21:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks for the answer. You asked "why does this matter?" Maybe because, in today's industy, the use of 8mm DDP, which was the usual format of transferring audio production to glass master CD is been made obsolete and that 95% of all Cd manufacturing in the world is through the use of this format (PMCD)? Evinatea 21:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but because I'm not an expert in this area, I can't understand what you just said. Try to break it down into something the layman can understand, if you please. (You don't have to answer that, but if you'd like to try to rewrite the article, that's my suggestion.) --Fang Aili talk 21:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Daer Fang Aili,

Hi, Thanks for the advise. I will try my best. Should I use a colloquial style definition then? 162.83.204.63 03:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just try to explain things to the degree that ordinary people could figure it out. You don't have to break it down completely, but provide relevant wikilinks (like audio mastering). I recommend asking the WikiProject Professional sound production people for advice. And try to remember to sign in. :) Good luck, Fang Aili talk 17:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fang Aili, I am trying now to understand why you have not deleted the page audio mastering). Did you read all that technical explanation, which by the way some of it is not editorialized? Does a layman understand all that? And at the very bottom, did you see an external link pointing to a site promoting mastering engineers and labs? Hmm, something is not right. By the way, this was supposed to be my part of my collaboration for the WikiProject Professional sound production which I joined prior to written about the PMCD Evinatea 21:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fang Aili, I have a question about external links. If there is a link pointing to a site that publishes an article promoting commercial businesses in a direct manner, wouldn't that be considered spam? And the same for a divison within a Wikipedia page where a list of companies exist in order to promote their wares? Let me know at your earliest convinience. Evinatea 22:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fang Aili, This is in regards to a page created by me a s "Music mastering". As I was waiting for your answer about the external links question, i have been accused of Spam, and my externals were deleted. I guess the answer was "not allowed". I should have waited for your answer first, and so I am sorry I included those external links.

Nevertheless, I would like to request you go to "Audio mastering" and either delete the "Overview" or take out any mentions of mastering engineers and studios which represent a fragrant violation of the Wiki terms. Also i move to request that you delete the sub-article on "Software" which is nothing but publicity for software manufacturers.

It's time to clean up the real spam somebody in particular (With an unknown IP address located in Califorina) believe its' all I intend to do at Wikipedia.

For the record, it's not necessary to mention any mastering engineer, specially one on the merit that he worked with signed major artists. The reason is, it requires less skill to apply mastering to a professional mixed material, such as mixes from successful recording studios as opposed to amateur recordings.

Just because a mastering engineer received famous groups and awards for performing this service, it doesn't make him the authority on the subject.

Second, the need to mention names and businesses should be weighted against the need to keep this topic open for expansion and clarification. The history of mastering is irrelevant for the user at Wikipedia or I will also have to start arguing that its inventor was New York's first mastering engineer, Dick Charles.Evinatea 03:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding your questions:

  1. Delete audio mastering? Why? To be honest, I have not read it. If you think it needs work, go ahead and edit it.
  2. If there is a link pointing to a site that publishes an article promoting commercial businesses in a direct manner, wouldn't that be considered spam? Just about always, yes. Feel free to remove these links. See also: WP:SPAM.
  3. More generally about spam and what's notable--this can be tricky, but basically Wikipedia shouldn't be promoting any person or thing. Rather we explain why he/she/it matters. I'll take a look at the audio mastering and music mastering articles, but I'll warn you that I know virtually nothing about these topics. Cheers, and thanks for contributing to the encyclopedia. --Fang Aili talk 15:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Deletion Of "Gettin' A Kick Out Of Truth"... What The Warren Commission Missed

Dear Fang Aili, Though my article may read as if it were a newspaper article, the "Facts" represented in it, though a bit controversial and thought provoking, do fall into the "Common Sense" catagory. And come from volumes of work regarded as "Public Domain"... The Warren Commission. Anyway, it is sincerely appreciated that you took time out to respond to my talk box and my hope shall remain that you will consider re-instating "Gettin' A Kick Out Of Truth"... What The Warren Commission Missed. And thank you for the years of both enjoyment and information that Wikipedia has provided my family and I. With sincerest of regards, Mike Regan

Thank you for being so kind and polite. Unfortunately I must echo what jimfbleak says above. Also, it's important to remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Everything should be written in an encyclopedic manner. If you should have any further questions don't hesitate to ask. I hope you and your family have a great weekend. --Fang Aili talk 17:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Asif Hossain

Please see talk page for Asif Hossain. I think he qualifies to be considered not non significant -- not the most significant person in the world but for the matter of local politics, is significant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GNU4eva (talk • contribs)

This article did not assert notability, and was thus deleted. It was also nominated for deletion a while back, with a concensus to delete, and the article at that time was longer. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 17:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Entrusted with the Bucket!

Yes, my identical copy of bucket-and-mop =]
Yes, my identical copy of bucket-and-mop =]

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. Thanks for your vote, I've received an overwhelming 96% support and successfully took a copy of bucket-and-mop from the main office!

School graduation exam and HKCEE are both pressing in, so I might become inactive for a while. But soon after that, I look forward to working with you!

Much extra thanks for hopping in and talking to me even though you have so much work to do in AC. And thanks for celebrating with me! --Deryck C. 03:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Kent_Blank.png

I created Image:Kent_Blank.png and thought I had given it the correct GFDL license, could you please reinstate it or should I upload it again - Olive Oil -ŢάĽɮ - 05:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Spread-the-funny and-slighty-random-love day!

:) pschemp (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:) pschemp (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)