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This article is a decent start but assumes that there is only one kind of fantasy baseball game -- rotisserie or roto. While that's the most popular, there are others of note including Scoresheet and Diamond Mind. Article could be structured differently and also discuss relation between fantasy baseball, sabermetrics, and real baseball more systematically. Special attention is due to the MLBAM efforts to stifle or monopolize (or extract fees) for use of player stats, and the legal aspects of this case. --Mack2 15:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Popularity?

Early in the article, it is stated that fantasy baseball is the most popular fantasy sport. Later in the article, it says fantasy football is the most popular. Neither is referenced. I deleted the statement stating baseball is the most popular. I can intuitively say with 99.999% confidence that football is more popular; if you can prove otherwise more power to you. --2S 06:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content

It'd be good to have a quick review of draft types. I can get to it later this week unless someone else wants it.

What about adding salary cap to the types of fantasy games?--Gavinturner 01:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content== ==history

Dec 3 2007

I added a paragraph about Jack Kerouac's play and copious documentation of an apparently private version of fantasy baseball starting ca 1931 or 1935 at latest. Perhaps this mention should be in the Pop Culture section but I dont know whether fantasy baseball is mentioned in any of his stories; if not it wouldnt in be Pop Culture awareness but it's definitely historical.

Here is material for a citation: I viewed an exhibition including lots of Kerouac FB materials at the Library last Thursday November 29, 2007. My information is from Curator Isaac Gewirtz's essay in "Fantasy Sports," part 8 of Gewirtz' brochure for the exhibition "Beatific Soul: Jack Kerouac On The Road," November 9, 2007 - February 24, 2008.

Jayhawker53 15:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Dec 3 2007

Further regarding Kerouac's fantasy baseball, I also nominate a link to the NYPL press release for the exhibition, which includes one line on Kerouac's fantasy sports: "Kerouac's minutely detailed fantasy baseball and horse racing materials, which he created as a boy and played with throughout his life, will also be on display."

http://www.nypl.org/press/2007/Beatific_exhibition.cfm

Jayhawker53 15:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


I think the links section at the bottom is cluttered with useless web sites. If anything, the Fantasy Baseball Cafe forums should be on there, the most useful fantsy resource on the web. These web sites like Creative Sports seem to be updated like twice a month because a quote from the page:

Read about the Zen Master of Fantasy Baseball, Lawr Michaels in the upcoming book, Fantasyland.

The book already came out, why should Wikipedia direct readers to an outdated source? >L<

This page is lacking in documentation. I would like, for instance, yo check easily on the info that in 1999 the interest in fantasy baseball started falling.

Fantasy sports are at their peak if anything. >L<

The Fantasy 411 link is broken.


I agree that there's too much clutter with the links. If you're going to allow sites to advertise their games on here, then at least add the free sites like foxsports.com which appears to be a stable game with most free features I've had to pay for at other sites. Check it out and see if you think it should be included - foxsports.com/fantasybaseball I have no affiliation with the site.

I think a link to rotostuds.com should be added. This site is a daily must read in staying competitive in my roto league.~

[edit] Link nomination

I believe you gotta add [FantasyBaseball.com] in your links section. You must find time to visit this site daily. Great projections and very accurate. Player profiles, depth charts, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.232.173 (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

As per discussion with SubSeven I would like to nominate Fantasy Baseball Cafe (www.fantasybaseballcafe.com) and Fantasy Baseball Hub (www.fantasybaseballhub.com - the former Fantasy Baseball Central) to be included as external links to this article, in my opinion they are leading authorities in the field and should easily make any shortlist of fantasy baseball links. Fact is though that I'm also in a conflict of interest here which is why I am putting the links up for discussion to make sure my view is actually shared by the bulk of readers. Menyak 08:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

FantasyBaseballCafe.com finished 4th of 5 squads in a 20 team (4 members per site) website challenge versus FantasyPlaymakers.com, FantasySportswire.com, RotoKingdom.net, and RotoChamps.com last year. RotoKingdom.net, FantasyPlaymakers.com, and RotoChamps.com who finished 1-2-3 respectively are more deserving as they have more knowledgeable staff members and fantasy players. RotoKingdom.net took the overall team score and had the top two individual placers. Here are the final standings in cafe's forum http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=234863&start=15

I agree that these sites are among the best for information about fantasy baseball, but I wish www.fantasybaseballhub.com looked more professional. Because of their homepage it is going to look like "link spam" to other wikipedia editors. I am not affiliated with either site. LloydSommerer 12:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Fantasy Baseball Cafe and Fantasy Baseball Hub should both be included in the links section. Both of these sites are free, require no registration, and offer excellent information. They seem to meet the guidelines for external links while others currently listed may or may not. Anthony 16:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Lloyd. Fantasy Baseball Hub looks like a spam site. If they were to eliminate the dozens of banner ads, they may get better consideration. The current external links are sufficient. mjconnor10 19:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a fair point about the advertisements. WP:EL does advise against external links with, I quote, "objectionable amounts of advertising". In this case, it is pretty objectionable when you consider how much scrolling past ads you have to do, just to get to the content. --SubSeven 06:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Personally I would support fantasybaseballhub.com for inclusion but not fantasybaseballcafe.com. Fantasybaseballhub.com is a launching point to a lot of good resources which seems to be acceptable under WP:EL as it is essentially a web directory. However, fantasybaseballcafe.com seems to be a hardcore strategy site for serious players. Being that Wikipedia is not a game guide/strategy guide/how-to, I don't see how this link adds anything to the encyclopedic value of the article. SubSeven 22:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

What about adding www.fantasybaseballuk.com? Free to enter (2nd teams £5) UK based Fantasy Baseball run by BaseballSoftballUK primarily used as a tool to get people living in the UK more interested in baseball.--Gavinturner 01:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Rotoworld.com is the most trafficked fantasy baseball content website on the internet. Yes higher than the big boys wikipedia is listing now. It has also been around since 1998. Most of the sites listed above are small and probably not worthy of inclusion. You have the main ones - but you should add Foxsports.com, Rotoworld.com, rotowire.com and that is basically it. 10:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

RotoKingdom.net merits inclusion. A sports forum in which anyone can join and get immediate help with their fantasy troubles.


I agree with Bucko, Rotostuds should be included. It only has one ad on it.Mbstrlbstr 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Please stop making sockpuppet accounts. --SubSeven 03:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
It is either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet account. Both of you have asked various times for external links to JoostSwap and RotoStuds [1] [2]and have no other contributions to Wikipedia. --SubSeven 22:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
And I see from WHOIS lookups that JoostSwap.com and RotoStuds.com are both registered to one John S Crowley! Imagine that! --SubSeven 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with UTC above. RotoWire is one of the major providers to Yahoo, ESPN and XM Radio. Perhaps there should be a listing somewhere of the big companies in the industry. If not, then at least the major onces sited above should be added. Many times the big media sites are not the best for this type of stuff. --Schoenke 22:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't MLB.com's fantasy page listed? http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/index.jsp They are the official arm of baseball. (Roscfb 21:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC))

I think it should be listed. And a simpler URL: http://fantasy.mlb.com/ -- Win777 (talk) 21:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting read: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/05/scitech/pcanswer/main2885523_page2.shtml (I know this will lead nowhere, but simply couldn't keep it for myself - sorry, I'm outta here ;o) Menyak (talk) 18:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I propose that Fantasy Baseball Heaven (www.fantasybaseballheaven.com) be added as an external link. The site has a unique format in that it offers daily head-to-head competition. The game is free and each player gets a win or a loss every day of the major league baseball season. It also allows managers to combine current players with historical greats from every era, including players from the Negro Leagues, as well as Sadaharu Oh, the great Japanese home run champion. User: fzvonec 29, March 2008

[edit] Other fantasy baseball games

The bulk of this article seems to confound "fantasy baseball" with "rotisserie baseball." While the latter is doubtless the most popular of the fantasy games, there are others out there that have their devotees. I would hope somebody could add a section about some of those alternatives, and how they differ from roto. I have in mind in particular Scoresheet Baseball and Diamond Mind Baseball. I haven't played those games, so I can't write the entries here, but I know some people who do.--Mack2 22:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

A good article on the background and play of Scoresheet Baseball can be found here: Nando Di Fino, "Fantasy's Dose of Reality," Wall Street Journal, May 8, 2008.--Mack2 (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

The very first sentence of this article has been vandalised with inappropriate content. It must be changed.

[edit] Link Nomination

See RotoHog article.

[edit] link

Hey, Maybe adding this link would be good?: http://www.virtualstock-exchange.com/Home/Sportpredictionmarket/tabid/4916/Default.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.197.8.28 (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't recommend it as WP isn't here to advertise sites. Montco (talk) 20:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)