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[edit] Powers

I'm going to point out that Sue's powers aren't entirely correct. She can turn herself or other things invisible, and create solid force objects/fields, which she can manipulate mentally. I don't know where that "invisible power blasts" thing comes from.

  • Force Blasts. She first did 'em when she was Malice, and learned to do them afterwards. --Dr Archeville 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2099?

Just like to point out that there is no info in this entry nor in the whole wikipedia on the Fantastic Four 2099. Maybe someone would care to provide some info?

[edit] Theme

The Fantastic Four 1994-95 theme song says "No need to fear, they're here", not "No need to hide, don't fear".--Roadrunner3000 6 July 2005 23:48 (UTC)

[edit] Fantastic 4 redirect

The Fantastic 4 now is an article for the video game so it no longer redirects to the article. • Thorpe • 21:32, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Someone please add the radio series. Ken Arromdee 06:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The real Fantastic Four

I might do the research and take care of it myself, but I'm just wondering if this article is ever going to address the fact that the Fantastic Four were based on real people.

I've never heard about this before. Could you elaborate? Also, please sign your posts. --Dayv 19:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I think what you might be referring to, mistakenly, is the recent mini-series Unstable Molecules, which (mild spoilers) takes a "real" look at the people who "inspired" the "fictional" FF. This could actually be believed for an issue or two, as they don't get powers until later in the series. Don't know if this is what you're thinking of, but that's that. Slugabed 01:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh man. This is hilarious. Hey, is anyone ever going to create an article for long-lost Marvel artist Artie Rosen? [Note:The characters in Unstable Molecules do not get powers.] --Chris Griswold 20:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re:Please sign your posts;

Hear, Hear!

Also, just who were the Fantastic Four based on? That's a new one on me. Michael 20:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I think their powers were largely based on old superheroes, though, such as Plastic Man. 85.226.122.205 17:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

No, they were not based on older characters. The FF are based on the four elements of matter: Earth (The Thing), Air (Invisible Woman), Fire (Human Torch), and Water (Mr. Fantastic).

[edit] Parodies and references

I have restored some content to this section that was lost in a previous edit. However, it is getting interminably long. Much of this section is simply trivia which should be excised or perhaps moved into a new article. I don't have the time right now to give this section the detailed attention that it needs, hopefully someone reading this does. Dayv 19:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

"Not necesarilly a parody, but in Slayers, a character named Zelgadis has rocky skin. It's blue, though, not orange."
If this isn't a parody, why was it added to the list? In any case, the wording is unprofessional. Control 22:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictions and citations

The following phrase seems to be contradicted by the 1974 Lee quote below. Since it brings up contradictions that need to be reconciled, can anyone provide later Lee quotes, with citations/links, to address the discrepancies? Thanks:

Intending to leave after completing this assignment [FF#1] (one which, decades later, he claimed he did not take seriously), ...

Here's the Lee quote, from Origins of Marvel Comics p. 16:

"[My wife] Joan was commenting about the fact that after 20 years of producing comics I was still writing television material, advertising copy and newspaper features in my spare time. She wondered why I didn't put as much effort and creativity into the comics as I seemed to be putting into my other freelance endeavors. ...[H]er little dissertation made me suddenly realize that it was time to start concentrating on what I was doing — to carve a real career for myself in the nowhere world of comic books". - Tenebrae 05:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
And start cannibalizing existing concepts. I wish my cosuin would throw me a job. --Chris Griswold 20:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not a contradiction. I've read (Daniels' Marvel Comics, I think) Timely/Marvel sales were so bad, Goodman was going to get out of the biz & FF was wild throw, w nothing to lose if it bombed. And "trend follower Goodman" wasn't paying attention; JSA had been around since the '40s... Trekphiler 02:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] radio show?

No mention of the 1975 Marvel Comics radio show the FF starred in? Even with Bill Murray as the Human Torch? Info at this page: http://www.ffplaza.com/commcenter/interview/pblewis.shtml


[edit] Death in the Family

SPOILER! This one-shot shows Invisible Woman's death, followed by her being saved in an alternate timeline by Johnny of the first timeline. Does anybody know which one is the 616, default and so canon timeline/ universe. Basically, is she dead or not??? ChocolateRoses 20:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Guess we'll have to wait 'til the next ish of FF to see... but, if she's not, the whole tale seemed kinda pointless. Dr Archeville 14:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
It's too bad that continuity nerds can't just enjoy a story on its own. No, it's not pointless. Johnny saves Sue, even if not for himself. The story is entirely about family, and perhaps was not something you would be interested it. No, Sue's not dead. --Chris Griswold 20:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for FF Pic

Rather than have a revert war I propose we vote for what is to be the FF pic.

Currently the pic is the cover to FF #509 (see gallery images). If anyone would like to post more suggestions feel free. Dstorres

Cover to FF #509 by Mike Wieringo

FF by Michael Turner
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Cover to MK4 #9 by Steven McNiven

Mike Wieringo It's clearer, and not only are all of the characters facing forward, they're moving. Plus, there recently has been a rash of herobox images being replaced with ones by Michael Turner. --Chris Griswold 14:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Meh, neither. I'd try to get one from Steve McNiven's run. Exvicious 17:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
McNiven Put a McNiven picture above this so my vote makes sense. --Chris Griswold 20:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Wieringo. I don't think the pic needs to be changed. I've added a McNiven pic by your request, anyway. —Lesfer (talk/@) 05:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
McNiven A good representation of the FF.
Wieringo—I like the McNiven piece, but 'Ringo's cover delivers the clearest image of the team. Ragdoll 17:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
McNiven. Wieringo pic is nice, but doesn't show IW using her powers, like the other two. It's a clearer picture, but is there another ringo out there where she's actually turning invisible? --CPitt76 02:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)CPitt76
She is using her power, you just can't see it...cuz it's invisible. Ragdoll 15:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
She's using a force field in that picture. --Chris Griswold 15:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Clever. Walked right into those...--CPitt76 01:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't blame yourself; Sue made them invisible. --Chris Griswold 06:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Jack Kirby image instead — To have this article's lead illustration not be by Jack Kirby, the FF's co-creator in one of his two or three major showcases, would be just wrong. In addition to every other reason why, it goes against the nature of an encylopedia, in which the illustrations are a part of the whole of each article. The most significant artist for one of comics' most significant series should be the most prominent artist in the article. -- Tenebrae 18:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
For a lot of people, John Byrne (pre-crazy) is the most promintent artist for FF. --Chris Griswold 18:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
There is an article on Jack Kirby that documents his contributions. This is a FF article. I don't necessarily disagree with you Tenebrae, but the lead pic should be one that illustrates the FF so that someone who is unfamiliar with them gets a good idea of what they look like, not just pay homage to Jack Kirby. Maybe you could provide a Kirby pic that does both?--CPitt76 01:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd pretty much say Kirby gave a good idea of what they looked like! :- )
Chris, you're one of my favorite colleagues, and I know you'll weigh what follows with a collegian's sense. Byrne may be the most prominent FF artist for some fans, but then, M. Night Shyamalan is the most prominent filmmaker for some movie fans. That doesn't mean, in historical reality, they're more prominent than Jack Kirby or Orson Welles, who occupy roughly the same position of creative breakthrough in their respective fields. -- Tenebrae 13:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I know; he's not my FF artist. I was just playing Devil's Advocate. And I love you too. --Chris Griswold 01:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Gawrsh! (LOL!) -- Tenebrae 03:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Have to agree with Chris, the Byrne stuff, around the 250s, have the clearest, most iconic representations of the team. --Neil Fein 19:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Parodies and refrences

If noone puts any major protests up in about 12 hours, i will cleanse this section of all non-comic book examples. Cnriaczoy42 02:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Why? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that it falls under WP:TRIV & WP:Trivia. Besides, if people keep writing every onr of the F4 refrences that they see, the section will be half the length of the article. That is also part of the reason i nomminated it for Comic Collaberation of the month. Cnriaczoy42 02:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
But it also highlights the comic's impact on popular culture, so it isn't exactly trivia. If we were to remove this informaiton based on it being trivial, then everythign would have to go, including the parodies and references in comics. WesleyDodds 07:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
If people keep adding information, it will be split into its own article. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Fantastic Four

http://previews.diamondcomics.com/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=35682

I don't know how to use spoiler tags or cite references, so if anyone could do this for the New FF I'd be much obliged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.26.219 (talk • contribs)

I got it. Also, you'll find directions on cites and references at WP:CITE and related links. Thanks for the information. --Tenebrae 15:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Odd Posting

Hey everyone. Just wanted to let you know that in the "Antagonists" section of the F4 Page, after the antagonists, a little text blurb read "The Fantastic Four will strike again." It was kinda creepy, and seemed to have no point, so I deleted it. I don't think it has any significance, but if it does, I deeply apologise. And I also just wanted to bring it to all of your attentions. Thanks for reading. Skilanky64 05:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Fantasti-Car

Somebody tagged Fantasti-Car for merging with this last month. I'm just completing the tagging and setting up the discussion. I have no opinion either way. CovenantD 07:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I am adding it with other similar stubs to List of vehicles in Marvel Comics. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I guess the tag can go away then. CovenantD 09:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Media

I've just made an addition to the other media section, the "Fred and Barney Meet the Thing" bit. I thought about inserting it into the Animated Series section, but this is not a Fantastic Four animated series. The Thing was the only character from the team on the program, so I put it in Other Media instead.

I'll be the first to admit that the cartoon of The Thing was an abomination, but then so was the 1978 animated series and the 1994 movie. Like it or not, it's a part of FF history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.244.171.82 (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Flame Brain

The article says Johnny can "surround himself with flames and fly." IIRC, he turns to plasma; he's not solid underneath, like whatsherface from Elementals (whose name I should know, dammit, I read them all...). Trekphiler 02:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Although the actual source of Johnny's powers have never been described in detail, I don't think his body is transformed into plasma. Various analysis have shown him to have a solid form underneath and whenever he gets hit or doused with water he's immediately reverted back to normal. I do agree that it's a plasma-base fire though, especially as described in "X-4" when Nightcrawler gets purple fire in a plasma form and whenever he teleports it creates an explosion. I could be completely making this up, but I think I read somewhere that Johnny's flame is created by a chemical secretion that ignites in contact with the air. Syrgri 09:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four

Why is the Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four mini-series listed under alternate versions? They've made it pretty clear in the solicits that the book takes place in the past of current continuity, much like the Spider-Man/Human Torch mini-series that preceded this one. --156.34.65.117 09:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Storm/Panther

Why do the above characters recieve so much attention in the opening section? They are no more important to the FF than She-Hulk, Luke Cage or any other fill-in members. This seems like recentism to me. Paul730 01:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Comics Project Improvement Drive

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[edit] Resources

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[edit] Superhero toy template

I'm with User:WesleyDodds — if that collector-checklist template belongs on Wikipedia at all, and I don't believe it does, then at best it'd be at some toy article, and not cluttering dozens and dozens of comic-book character article.

So a character was adapted into a toy? That's happened since the turn of last century. Are we going to list hundreds of toys in a template for every Felix the Cat, Casper the Friendly Ghost, Dana Scully from The X-Files, etc.? There have been Babe Ruth toys and dolls. This is too general and limitless.--Tenebrae 13:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Uniform colour?

Does anyone know what shade of blue was used in the original FF uniforms? Mleivo (talk) 16:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)