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Contents 1 Reception 2 Title issues 3 Stravinsky vs. Stokowsky 4 Black Centaur 5 The Sorcerer's Apprentice 6 Was Sunflower excised from ALL releases after 1969? 7 The Rite of Spring 8 Structure of the article 9 Footnotes 10 Mega Drive game 11 inaccuracy of the greek gods 12 Fair use rationale for Image:Fantasia f.jpg 13 Fair use rationale for Image:Fantasiafront.jpg 14 Fair use rationale for Image:Fantasiaposter.jpg 15 Fair use rationale for Image:Fantposter.jpg

[edit] Reception

I think the reception section of this article needs to be re-written. It is one of AFI's top 100 films, and it has a 100% fresh rating on whatever. It should be described as a classic, looking at its accomplishments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.233.253 (talk) 05:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title issues

The Dutch title is Fantasia.

Fantasia (also Phantas(y,ie), Fantasy) also has a common musical meaning from the Baroque/Tudor era, writing off the top of my head, referring to a type of piece, or movement of a piece. There was an attempt by Cobbett to resurrect the Phantasy tradition in a competition he organized in the first decades of the 20th century, which resulted in several works - Benjamin Britten's Fantasy Quartet for oboe and strings, Frank Bridge's Phantasy-Trio (the first of his two,) the first of John Ireland's three piano trios, ...- of chamber music. (The distinction is made neither here, nor under Fantasy or Phantasy. Thanks!) Schissel 21:36, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

We don't have an article on fantasia/fantasy/phantasy yet, and really need one. Along with Ricercar, Canzona, and a few other things, it's a pretty big deal in the late Renaissance/early Baroque, as you point out. It could go a couple of ways: move Fantasia to Fantasia (movie), and have the article on the musical form at Fantasia; leave the Disney film where it is and put the musical fantasia at Fantasia (music); or make a disambiguation page for Fantasia with links to both Fantasia (music) and Fantasia (movie). Anyone else have an idea? Antandrus 21:45, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Stravinsky vs. Stokowsky

This was recently added, and I removed it:

Contrary to popular belief, Igor Stravinsky was very pleased by Walt's animation and interpretation of his work. Igor Stravinsky was also the only composer to work alongside Walt Disney for music advice and explanation of themes. Stravinsky once remarked that even though he found the idea of Dinosaurs 'odd', he was still very open minded and knew his work could be interpreted to mean many different things. Stravinsky use to spend time at Disney studios going over the score with Walt, which in turn provided Stravinsky a chance to see the models and concept art of the dinosaur sequence. It many Fantasia bios, Stravinsky is noted as liking the idea of Rite of Spring depicting the early stages of the world, mostly for it's primitive themes and new approach to his music.

<<>>From the very beginning Stravinsky was very upset. Stokowski(note spellibng) had re-orchstrated the music. The staff atthe showing for Stravinsky toldhim how Stokie had "mproved" his score. When Stravuinsky objected, they told him to go to Hell. The score was in the public domain and there was nothing Stravinsky could do about it. There had been a screw up whenthe copyright was registered, and the registration was invalid.<<>>

<<>>But what about fantasia in the Renaissance? This is a terrible article.<<>>

That may be mere re-writing Disney publicity stuff - we've seen all the photos... I've seen other versions in the literature, so if the above is included, we should maybe also add this:

However, it is said that Stravinsky some years later criticised Stokovski's handling of the score, calling it "execrable".

We need to be NPOV on this. --Janke | Talk 16:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Black Centaur

I heard that some scenes of a black centaur woman were cut out from the movie. Is this true? KinseyLOL 13:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Read the article! There is even a picture of the deleted black centaur. — Walloon 15:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I added a bit more description to that part, as it didnt actually say that Sunflower was black.... --03crichardson 16:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Its on youtube, and yes she was obviously black. Someone needs to edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.103.234 (talk) 03:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Sorcerer's Apprentice

As as soon as I read this passage...: "Mickey is seen wearing his famous red wizard's robe and sorceror's hat....." I knew it was wrong. Any Disneyholic worth his mouse ears knows that the robe might be red but the hat is blue. I've never edited an article before even though I am a long time Wikipedia reader. I will attempt to correct this entry. Buggsbuny 20:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Was Sunflower excised from ALL releases after 1969?

The article mentions that the character of Sunflower was cropped out of the 1969 theatrical re-release and all subsequent releases. However, on various websites, I've seen clips of the Sunflower sequences which appear to come from VHS or TV sources, suggesting that these uncensored versions remained in circulation long after 1969.

Is it worth investigating the possiblity that the original versions continued to be distributed in countries where this sort of content was less controversial? After all, Song of the South was released on home video in many parts of the world, and the original version of Three Little Pigs - complete with an anti-Semitic caricature considered so offensive that it was even left off of the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs - actually surfaced on a Japanese laserdisc at one point. 217.155.20.163 22:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Rite of Spring

I remeber reading somewhere that Deems Taylor suggested The Rite of Spring to be about Dinosaurs is this true?124.189.93.28 10:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Structure of the article

In my opinion, thye structure of the article could be improved. Right now, there are 3 different sections of the article in which all of the segments of the animated film are mentioned. First in the "music program", then in "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" and "Production and synopsis of the other segments", and then again in the "credits" section. Why not merge these 3 sections into one chapter which mentions and describes all segments (including musical score & credits) ? RagingR2 11:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

• There you go; I thought let's go from words to actions, so I restructured the article as I proposed. Only issue that still bothers me: right now the "index" of the article is pretty long; I'm not sure all those chapters and sub-chapters are justified, considering the relatively small amount of information in each of the sections 2.2.1 - 2.8.3. Maybe just remove those headers, so the index won't go deeper than 2.1 - 2.9 if you know what I mean? RagingR2 12:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Never mind, fixed that too. I removed the redundant section headers. See [history of the article] if you don't know what I'm talking about. RagingR2 12:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Footnotes

Right now, the footnotes 3-5 and 7-14 all point to the same internet adress. There must be a way to point to an adress more than 1 time, without having 10 identical footnotes? I'd like to fix this but I don't know how. Anyone? RagingR2 12:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mega Drive game

Should we not include a link at least to Fantasia (video game)? Tim (Xevious) 11:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] inaccuracy of the greek gods

1. Bacchus is the roman god of wine, not the greek

2. It's Helios who drives the sun charoit, not Appollon

3. Morpheus is the god of dreams, not of sleep -- by user 213.113.217.133, July 2007

The person riding the drunken donkey is, as far as I can tell, Silenus and not Bacchus. The description of Silenus fits to a tee. However, there is so much written about Bacchus being the person depicted here, both in this article and in the Greek deity's article, that I am hesitant to change this without further confirmation. --Eitheladar (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you are probably correct Eitheladar. The problem is that the Disney studios have, virtually from the beginning, described this character as Bacchus. This includes both print promotional material and the various documentaries they have made over the years (this applies to the anon IP's comments above also). Remember that the studios promotional department did not have the web, or your knowledge, to do deeper research with when they were doing there thing. I think that you might add a little note in parentheses to both pages stating that the character, as protrayed, fits Silenus better. Thanks for pointing this out. MarnetteD | Talk 17:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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