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[edit] Metroid

Okay, what IS the Metroid fangame sponsored by Nintendo? It isn't mentioned by name in the article, nor is any information given on this sponsorship, which I am unfamiliar with.

More detail would be much appreciated.

I forget the name of it, but it was basically a recreation of the reactor core from Metroid Prime 1. You could click on panels and get information about various Metroid enemies/plot info. -ShadowMan

The one ShadowMan is talking about was made with Jamagic by Clickteam. You can get some info about it and view it on this page: Jamagic by Clickteam

[edit] Trim down

Methinks we need to trim this down a bit before people get the idea this is the place to advertise their fangames at. Thoughts? --Shadow Hog 15:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable for me. Or at least confine them to a notable fangame list at the end. -ShadowMan

Okay, this article has practically become an advertisement for people's fangames. We need to trim down on this and either:
1. Remove all references to specific fangames from the article
2. Confine it to a list of notable fangames.

If we choose choice 2, we'll have to define what makes a fangame "notable". I definitely don't want this turning into "Luigi's Game is an example of a fangame. Sonic Time Attacked is another. Another one based on non-Mario and sonic characters is..." You get the point. -ShadowMan (also, for the record, I didn't add that little ditty about Luigi's Game to this article.

I prefer #2 myself. Now, question is, which ones ARE notable, and why? SRB2 I think is pretty notable since it was the first 3D Sonic fangame (maybe the first 3D fangame period, but that's doubtful) and is proof as to how far these things go (completely modified version of DOOM).
Of course, we could do 1 first, then put a list of notable fangames at the end instead. --Shadow Hog 18:56, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

The article states a lot about various companies' thoughts on fan games, namely Nintendo and Capcom. However, it doesn't cite any sources, and I can't find anything on the claims made. If sources can't be found, we should go ahead and delete that part of the article. --DMAJohnson 19:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] No random fangames, just use noteworthy ones.

I noticed an edit saying something about the "smash hit" Paper Mario World. I come from MFGG and that one is notorious for sucking. I think there needs to be a curb on examples of fangames, there are myriads out there I'm sure and we should only talk about noteworthy ones. Toastypk 03:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Cleanup

I've removed most of the references to individual fangames... I think we should set a hard rule for this article that a game needs to have been mentioned in a publication to be mentioned as an example. Metroid Prime 2D might serve well in that, just as an example.

My main concern is that if we start mentioning any specific games, the names are just going to crawl back up. I haven't sorted through the External Links, but they need work too.

I also thoroughly edited the bit about which tools are used... it read a lot like an advertisement. Lankybugger 16:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I just cleaned up External Links and added to the See Also (adding in the much needed See Also: Game Development). Lankybugger 16:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging with amateur adventure game

I think these two are very closely related. Maybe amateur adventure games should be a subsection of fangames, or what do you think? I also added a list of noteworthy adventure fangames based on existing games - thought a list like that would be nice to have, but maybe that should be on a different page ("list of fangames - subsection: adventure fangames/games based on previous games")? ----Nanook2 17:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. From what I read, amateur adventure games are at best a loosely-related subtopic. Less is more with this article, I think, and I wouldn't want to dominate the current article with adventure game-related material. I'm going to add a link to the amateur adventure games article under See Also, though.
Cheers, Lankybugger 18:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the merger... The proposer has been on the page since I've replied and not responded to my comments, so I can only assume he or she agrees with me. Lankybugger 13:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rom Hacking

can ROM hacking be considered a Fangame ? andrewkeith80 09:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It would depend on the severity of the edit, but it certainly can. I think I'll be reflecting that in the revision I'm about to do. Lankybugger 13:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

just stating the obvious , but a video game article should have a nice video game pic. Something old school but not offensive like most porno rom hacks. andrewkeith80 02:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If you put up a single picture, should it be a sprite hack, Game Maker-type game, or 3D FPS mod? If any pictures need to put into this article, they should relate to the games mentioned in the text. Not to mention the murky fair use status. --SevereTireDamage 02:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit hesitant to put up a picture, but if we're going to do anything I'd vote for a screen from the original Counterstrike. It's really well known and also demonstrates very effectively how extensive the modifications of games can be. 151.151.21.104 13:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legal issues

I think the Legal issues part is quite confusing and might be misleading: It is said that "In the vast majority of cases, the original copyright holders have full legal justification to order a cease and desist upon fangame projects, as by definition, fangames are unauthorized infringing uses of copyrighted property" (1). Having in the original definition "but it is equally common for fans to develop a unique game using another only as a template" the previous statement is not so self-justified "by definition" (2). It should perhaps be also written somewhere, that copyright law may vary from one country to the other. And to take perhaps the most common case, as most old games have been designed in the USA, I think it would be appropriate to include the following reference to US copyright law extract. I am not a layer, and this extract seems primarily written for any game, not only video games, but I think it can be applied to video games as well. And if it is the case, then (1) does not apply in the case described by (2). Balint42 (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)