Talk:Families in the Oireachtas

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[edit] Patrick+Kieran Crotty

Does anyone have any evidence as to whether Kieran Crotty is the son (or other relative) of Patrick Crotty? Their dates of birth, and the fact that Patrick succeeded Kieran at the 1969 general election[1] suggests that this Fine Gael seat in Carlow-Kilkenny may have been kept with the family … but it would be nice to have some evidence. The two men were both Mayors of Kilkenny, but the list of mayors on the Kilkenny Borough Council website offers no comment about any family relationship. I have searched the Dáil proceedings for the whole of Kieran Crotty's tenure as TD for any reference to "father" in his speeches, but without success. --BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) 12:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beltons

Several people called Belton have been TDs and Senators over the years, mostly for Dublin North or Dublin North East (see Beltons in the Oireachtas members database. Does anyone have any verifiable information on any family relationships between them? --BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) 15:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Avril Doyle is a member of the Belton family. From Avril Doyle's webpage: http://www.avrildoyle.ie/profile.htm

"Avril Doyle's extensive political experience has deep roots in her own family history, going back to the foundation of the State. Her father, Dr. Dick Belton, was a member of Oireachtas Eireann as was her grandfather, Paddy Belton, who was also Lord Mayor of Dublin. Two of Avril Doyle's uncles, Jack and Paddy Belton, were also Lord Mayors of Dublin and members of the Oireachtas. Two cousins of hers, Luke and Louis Belton, have also been members of the Oireachtas.

Great information, thanks, I've used it to update the list --Rye1967 01:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clohessy

Are Patick Clohessy, Farmer, Limerick East, FF, 1957-69, born 1908 and Peadar Clohessy, b1934, Farmer, Limerck East, FF/PD, 1981-97 related? - Rye1967 22:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MacSharry

Are Ray MacSharry, FF, Sligo and Marc MacSharry FF Senator, 2002- related?--Rye1967 09:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Father and son. See [2]. I have added them in. Snappy56 21:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Esmonde

ElectionsIreland mentions Osmond, Anthony, John, and William. I haven't been able to identify the realationships. Burke's Peerage should help, but it doesn't really. Any thoughts?? JXM 16:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I hope that Esmonde Baronets helps. Have updated the links to reflect their names: I have used he titles as a std form of disambiguation (there are, for example, lots of John Esmondes). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Same seat?

The intro to the article mentions family members succeeding each other in the same seat. But we've extended the list well beyond that narrow definition. I think I'll rework the opening sentences to reflect the wider definition. JXM 16:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure, and while you're at it, is the definiton of relatives accurate now that we have cousins, in-laws, newphews etc--Rye1967 23:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)?

[edit] Westminster

What would you think about extending this back to Westminster? I think Conor Cruise O'Brien and Owen Sheehy Skeffington would be more suitable listed with David Sheehy than Seán MacEntee. William Quill 13:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I think adding Westminster members is OK where they stood for an Irish constituency. It would be useful for local historians. Perhaps shown in brackets?Red Hurley 20:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd support including pre-1918 political links, although we may have to rename the article to Irish political dynasties in such an event.
I've just added once such (and unusual) link:
I'm sure there are plenty more MP/TD links.--Damac 23:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
If you are going to adding MPs who were not member of the Oireachtas (as opposed to TDs who were also members of the Oireachtas) then the article should be re-named as you are moving the beyond the scope of the original article. Also, you should update the intro because at present it doesn't mention Westminster MPs; only TDs, Senators and MEPs. Snappy56 16:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FF and FG

Per the links guidelines, I'd like to suggest that we unlink all the FF and FG links, and replace them with a note at the top identifying the abbreviations used. The two parties could then be linked from that note. Any objections? If nobody minds, I'll make the change in the next few days, or whenever I can get to it. Mike Christie (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added the Pearses

Mother & daughter, and PHP for ref.Red Hurley 12:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Great addition there, we tend to forget the older generations. But I took PP off of his own line because he wasn't elected - as per heading. There is also a problem with Dillon and Dockrell, since they weren't members of the Oireachtas, but if we extend it back, as per earlier suggestion, then they would qualify.
OK, (whoever you are) but he should be there in brackets by his mother so as to clarify who the Margaret Ps were.Red Hurley 13:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Oops, the above unsigned comment was me --Rye1967 08:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brady/Kitt family

There are now two entries for the Brady family, one under 'B' and one under 'K' each with differing data. Convention has been to keep all relatives together in one place, even when there is more than one surname, see Lemass/Haughey. I propose we move the 'Brady' family to the Kitt section since the scion, Philip Brady, is not notable enough to have had his own page created by now.--Rye1967 08:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I added in Philip & Gerard Brady. If you want to group them with the Kitts together, go ahead. Snappy56 11:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aylwards

I've added Bob Aylward, father of Liam Aylward and Bobby Aylward. Info from Liam Aylward's website [3]. There is an Edward Aylward who served as a Sinn Fein TD for Carlow-Kilkenny (same constituency as Liam and Bobby) from 1921-22 (2nd Dáil). Anyone know if he is a relation of theirs? Snappy56 12:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Ryan

Added his brothers-in-law.Red Hurley 09:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Important point, yes, but self-referential

The following is indeed important, and correct:

"In accordance with Wikipedia's rules, only verifiable family relationships have been included."

... but stating directly in the article text is contrary to avoid self-references. (And could be seen as protesting too much, really: it's not as if most of this is has references.) Alai (talk) 13:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It's reasonable to suppose that articles are written by knowledgeable people; most are short bios; and to double-check we have this government maintained page: http://oireachtas.ie/members-hist/ which is probably OK.Red Hurley (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] JC's children

Thought we should have the Connolly family included; no comments about nepotism please. Like the Pearse and Collins families, this suggests a pensionary system for the offspring of the 1916 rebels which lasted for decades.Red Hurley (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)