Talk:Fallowfield, Ottawa
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[edit] Fallowfield a Village or Hamlet?
I have reverted the edit making Fallowfield a Hamlet. I can understand why the edit occurred but the city of Ottawa and all historic documents call the "area", Fallowfield Village. Similarly, Munster Hamlet has always been called such, yet probably has more residents than Fallowfield. I'm not disputing the definition of village or hamlet in this instance.
I've also noticed that IP 76.68.96.183 is editing quite a bit in the Ottawa since Dec. 31st. Why not register? Glad you are editing and adding to the knowledge. HeadSnap (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I see another blind "find and replace" of village to hamlet has occurred. I have no issue with indicating that Fallowfield is a hamlet per Statistics Canada but do not blindly replace all instances of the word village. Even a reference to the document named "Village of Fallowfield Secondary Plan" written by the City of Nepean in 1980 was renamed with the word Hamlet in place. This is not correct. Please discuss the changes here first before editing the document. I will move to semi-lock the document if necessary. HeadSnap (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, after researching hamlets and villages, how the City of Ottawa regards them, and how Stats Canada treats them, it turns out there is no definition for hamlet. The City of Ottawa considers Fallowfield a village and merely indicates if it's a large or small village. I have updated the page and provided references to this effect. HeadSnap (talk) 21:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- To be a "village", a community has to be a municipality in its own right, which has the legal status of village under the definitions given by the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing. Anything that isn't an independent municipality, but is instead part of a larger municipality, is not a village under law, and hence is not to be described as a village in Wikipedia no matter what people call it in informal usage. As an encyclopedia with verifiability requirements, we have to use the correct legal definitions of these terms. Bearcat (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the details I could not find, however, the links are broken and as such I cannot verify your statements. Since all literature currently referenced denotes it as Fallowfield village, and the correct legal definition of the term isn't able to be referenced.... it's just your opinion. I will revert the article (minus the typo fixes) but please correct the article when references/legal definitions are found such that all information meets verifiability requirements. HeadSnap (talk) 17:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems the individual (only IP given as 76.68.98.147) works for the city of Ottawa or has the ability to have reports rewritten. After sourcing references last week and updating the page, the City of Ottawa Rural 2005, vol2 articles has been changed. It no longer references Fallowfield and others in the city as small villages, but now says hamlet. If this is the case, the entire validity of the data is somewhat suspect. I may remove the reference to Rural 2005 and only reference the Official plan. Both are currently referenced although IP 76.68.98.147 removed both references. Hmmm. If there indeed is a tidal shift to naming all villages into hamlets, then please update the page but only with references to back it up. Also, all these changes are being done to the page without discussing the changes. Why? HeadSnap (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed page move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was - move to Fallowfield, Ottawa.
As per WP:CANSTYLE#Neighbourhoods, this article should be moved to Fallowfield, Ottawa. In accordance with the guideline, however, the move is first being raised on the talk page. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
This is a good suggestion however most if not all of the rural villages in Ottawa still follow the VillageName, Ontario style. Perhaps going up a level to List_of_Ottawa_neighbourhoods as a quick look shows no 'LocationName, Ottawa' but almost all are post pended with Ontario including pages to urban areas in the city. Has this style guide been a recent addition? Just wondering how all pages in Ottawa could have collectively missed WP:CANSTYLE so well. HeadSnap (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Yes, you are absolutely correct. There are currently a variety of approaches for disambiguating case names -- it's a real dog's breakfast. If you look at the practice across Canadian articles, neighbourhoods (even rural communities) use a smorgasbord of approaches for article titles. There is no consistency. Some places use the province, others the municipality, some use an upper-tier region or county, others a descriptor (e.g. "Community (village)"). To further complicate matters, some use the bracket convention, others the comma convention (like this article). It's a bad situation -- no one knew how to properly title an article on a neighbourhood or community. There was a recent discussion over at the Canadian style guide, and the consensus was to put all neighbourhood and community articles at [[Neighbourhood, Municipality]] (assuming disambiguation is even necessary), unless the community was listed in the Canada Post database as being an independent postal location (in which case the title could be at [[Neighbourhood, Province]]). I have just started going through the list of Ottawa neighbourhoods, identifying those that do not conform with the guideline and posting a note on the relevant talk pages. Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- Discussion at WP:CANTALK#Requested moves - Ottawa neighbourhoods.Skeezix1000 (talk) 23:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the link ... I'll check it out. HeadSnap (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
