Talk:Fake orgasm

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==These deletions seem a bit extreme== http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fake_orgasm&diff=0&oldid=7599512

Maybe the reasons need to be tightened up but some basic itemization of reasons is a good idea; in particular, such information can help defuse a sensitive topic like this one.

WpZurp 03:15, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As anyone would guess, I will say that this section of the article that I wrote should be left in... after all, I did write it. But putting my ego aside, the knowledge of how to distinguish real orgasms from fake orgasms is integral to the subject itself. I will wait a few weeks (say until... Mar 15th, 2005) for some input from other users, editors, and moderators before I make a move on this matter, but if by then nobody says anything then I'm putting it back where it was. Also, I thank Mr. 4.32.161.15 for making that vital addition to my work concerning "sex flush" (I can't believe I forgot to put that in myself). Sweetfreek 05:03, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Deleted as unreliable (Restored March 23, 2005) : Methods of distinguishing a fake orgasm 2 Male orgasm 3 Another reason? 4 New sections needed for this article 5 Female Reasons+Methods? 6 Men faking orgasms is impossible ... or is it? 7 Other Media(Family Guy) 8 References

[edit] Deleted as unreliable (Restored March 23, 2005) : Methods of distinguishing a fake orgasm

Hard as is to imagine it is possible (though perhaps not practical) to distinguish a real orgasm from a fake.

• During orgasm in both males and females, there is a throbing action in the genitals that pulses at aproximately 0.8 seconds. Although this takes place internally in the female (primarily at the cervix), it is sometimes possible to observe this externally at the fourchette.
• Some women exhibit a "sex flush", or a reddening of the skin through vasocongestion, during the later stages of arousal. The absence of "sex flush" could simply mean a woman who never experiences it, or a woman who is faking arousal.
• lack of female ejaculate

Any suggestions like the above MUST have references to be considered reliable. People can be VERY different one from another. "I know you are faking!" "No I'm not." "Wikipedia says you are."

I'm not going to dig up the reference for this, but an animal's toleration of pain is increased during orgasm. (I read about this in a report on a study of the role of the vagus nerve in orgasm. The scientists cut the spinal cords of mice, diddled their cervixes to bring them to orgasm, then inflicted pain to determine whether the rodents were experiencing orgasm. They were, proving that the vagus nerve carries the orgasmic signal and that scientists are perverted sadists). -Willmcw 23:08, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the appearance of a rash on a woman is a common sign. --TheAznSensation 06:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Male orgasm

Umm...how, exactly, can a man fake an orgasm? They tend to be messy. --Morningstar2651 05:49, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Easy, use a condom to hide the lack of a mess.-- 82.45.0.44 20:53, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

For the thing at the end, the darkening of the nipples, I remember reading that that only happens in 30% of males.--68.74.30.182 17:43, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

As a male human that has experience innumerable orgasms/ejaculations, I am frankly puzzled as to how it is even possible for a male to fake one. And I really can't answer the part about the nipples, since I was paying them much attention. Sweetfreek 01:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I recall reading that porn directors have a few tricks to simulate a male orgasm (aka "money shot") on film. One involves the performer holding a fluid in his palm then tossing it with a jerking motion. The other involves pumping the fluid into the penis, then squeezing it out. Neither of these would be particularly practical in real life, of course, but that's the magic of movie making. Nor can I recall where I read it, so unless someone has a source it's just talk page gossip. -Will Beback 08:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another reason?

I had to fake one becuase my girlfriend said she was getting dehydrated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.69.238 (talk • contribs)

I have trouble getting off with a girl when I'm wth them for the first few times, get too nervous, or tense and can keep having sex for over two hours. Both sides can get sore. Is easier to fake it. And loosing the condom before she sees it works well too.

[edit] New sections needed for this article

The following sections should be added to make the article more complete:

• Why and how woman fake orgasms (to complement the male sections).
• Arguments for and against faking orgasms.

--Cab88 11:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you propose we use as a source for these additions? -Will Beback 18:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Female Reasons+Methods?

I really think we need a girl to complete this article... i am a girl and i say this is so nasty why do you need to talk abou tthis again?

• Being a woman you have NO credibility whatsoever thus we dont need you to complete the article.

[edit] Men faking orgasms is impossible ... or is it?

Call me weird, but I think it is impossible for a man to fake an orgasm. The orgasm comes with ejaculation. Maybe the myth of men faking orgasms is invented by women to justify their own faking. Faking an orgasm must be done by women who do not masturbate, or by women who think that some man magically knows what to do to make her have one, like in the movies. (See Thelma & Louise). Or that she doesn't find the man attractive but he has lots of money. But I think we will always get "blame teh men!"

This is why God invented Ann Summers. For God's sake women, sort it out. :)

Its not impossible to fake - Ive done it and no of people of also have. Its not hard, you can just use a condom to to cover it up (added by anon)

Exactly. I doesn't take a genious to figure out that if you are using a condom, particularly a darkly coloured one and your partner is carefully observing your penis or likes to inspect condoms post intercourse it's resonably easy for a male to fake an orgasm. Sure it's more easily to detect but it's clearly not impossible and I'm surprised so many people seem to think it is. Have all these people never heard of condoms and safe sex? Nil Einne (talk) 12:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Some links in case there are still any doubters [1] [2]. The first one is of interest since the only one mentioned who said his partner had detected it was primarily because of his face! (I presume his haste to dispose of the condom beforehand didn't help of course). The second one definitely sounds like it was written by a male. It also indirectly highlights another issue. For one night stands (in which case you definitely should be using a condom) the female partner is unlikely to have any clue as to what the male normally does and she may be partially drunk anyway so it'll likely be even easier Nil Einne (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other Media(Family Guy)

In "He's Too Sexy For His Fat" Stewie did a spoof of Meg Ryan's faked orgasm right down to Brian's "I'll have what he's having"

(LadySatine 08:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] References

This article now has four references. I think we can do better though; nearly everything that is on the page currently has been studied or described in writing somewhere; go out and find it! Let's make this a real article, because it's an important topic. Cazort (talk) 15:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)