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Wasn't she a maronite, and not orthodox? Shajar 08:58, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If she was a maronite she wouldn't have sung so much about Arab unity and reclaiming Palestine.Yuber(talk) 01:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maronite-based Phalange forces stormed rahbani"s museum in Antilieas north of Beirut during the war and destroyed it completely. Rahbanis were left oriented in their thinking, what made them unpoppular on the Lebanese Front side. Still today, they "take care" about Voice of the people radio (Sawt al shaab), poppular lefist radio station in Lebanon.

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[edit] Birth Place

Where was she born? "Jabal Al Arz" or Beirut? she comes from palestine

SHE WAS DEFINITELY BORN IN "JABAL AL ARZ", not beirut. For in her documentary (1998), they clearly say that her family moved from Jabal Al Arz to establish their home in Beirut (Zqaq el Blat / Basta) area.

[edit] Dear Wiki! Fairuz means in Arabic 'turquoise', but certainly not 'topaz' as you wrote

Dear Wiki! 'Fairuz' means in arabic 'turquoise', but certainly not 'topaz' as you wrote it...It's different...

- Fairuz admirer from Russia

cf. http://almashriq.hiof.no/music

[edit] Size of article

Dear editors, especially anonymous. I know Fairuz deserves a long and detailed article for so many reasons. Maybe the reverted edition got the reasons. However, that article needs too much work to be accepted. I share my opinion with Viajero because we cannot just fill wikipedia with unstructured edits. So please, whoever wants this article to be expanded, try to ameliorate the quality of what is not accepted here. Cheers -- Svest 23:27, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you, but by deleting all these paragraphs, you are removing a big part of informations that might be useful to editors who want to improve this article. I think there should be restored. CG 13:03, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I strongly believe that we both are right. I hope the anonymous editors think the same way. What I suggest is that we would include part by part (say para by para), clean it up, interwiki it before including the next one. We cannot just insert 2000 plus words in bulk and in such a messy state. Nobody would read it and I believe nobody would fix it. Indeed, many parts there are violating copyright laws! -- Svest 19:16, September 9, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™

[edit] Fairuz is originally Syriac Orthodox

Fairuz is originally Syriac Orthodox but she had to change her sect to Greek Orthodox so she can marry Assi Rahbani

A Historical Note Dear fellow fans, please do not forget to mention (or remember) those who took Fairuz and Al Rahbani's by the hand and into stardom. I mean here especially Sabri Elsharif. An artist, director, who reportedly used up all his influence in the media business to help Fairuz and the Arab voice cause. I myself still know little about him except for what I found in a single google search. I know that he initially hired her and directed most of her musicals and her 2 famous records on Palestine. He deserves a link by himself. 08:18, 29 September 2005 (UTC). HAE

If you are sure about that than it would be a good thing to add that info. You can provide a source or a reference here in this talk page to justify it. Cheers -- Svest 18:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™
Try this link. [1] It will also lead you to other good links.Good luck. HAE 05:23, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New christmas edits

I appreciate the newly inserted edits by users 216.80.117.214 and 147.9.45.157. I hope those edits would set an example to users 82.198.29.11, Jabe88 and 81.220.32.223 who somehow pretended that we are censoring info here. Svest 00:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up™

[edit] Either extremely detailed, or extremely shortened...

This article is a really problematic one. on the first hand, the earlier version is too short, very few informations were available.

on the other hand, the current version is too detailed, BUT still better than the other version.

what I suggest is to discuss what information to leave, and what information should be removed.

To people who say, this is far too detailed, i agree to a certain degree (some info could be removed), but you just can't put the tiny version back. SOME PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR THE DETAILS (her life, works, documentaries...); for the devil is in the details. In the small version, there's nothing about her works... Why is it called an encyclopedia then ? The encyclopedia must have the full information about everything.

Please discuss the article here. and to all of you, don't put any version of the article without discussing and asking for the conscent of the other fans.

let's remove the chronology, or put it in a separate article
I agree, and the information available in the chronology, like awards given to her, should figure in an "awards" section...

There should be a section focusing on her career, distinct from her biography Unixer 12:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think we should add a section for her Discography ?

I think a discography section is necessary. and also remove that kind of info from the biography section.Unixer 22:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] She was a maronite, where are you citing this Orthodox History?

She may have been born Orthodox, or maybe she converted to Orthodox, but Fairouz definetly has a major connection to the Maronite Faith. She sings all of our hymns. In fact, in the LBC (Lebanese Brodcasting Corporation) they show her atending and singing at Good Friday, Easter, and Christmas Masses.

Another thing, She wouldn't sing "Ya Oumallah" if she were any type of Orthodox, as most Orthodox people I know become very upset with the Maronite obsession with Mary.

The current facts show that Fairouz is a Maronite now, I'm not sure what she was before.

Just because her, the Rahbani's or others felt for Arab unity does not dismiss her as a Maronite. Not all Maronite's are sepratists, pro-Israel, or anti-Arab. Politics and religion are not so easily allignable, and it is that kind of stereotyping that caused the war in Lebanon in the first place.

NOT AT ALL. Fayrouz was born syriac orthodox, got married to Assi Rahbani, and converted to greek orthodoxy. She has produced many maronite hymns, that's correct. That was because the Rahbanis wanted to use Fayrouz's voice. But when she sings in the great firday, she always sings it in an orthodox church, and chants the orthodox liturgy hymns. I GO AND WATCH HER EVERY YEAR CHANTING. She's definitely orthodox. why don't you check her chronology and see where and what she has sang, and what the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH has done with her new orthodox hymns (they added them to their repertoire, like al aodiya al oula and al aoudiya al tasi'a and la tanouhi) Fairuz Chronology. So don't modify the article please.

And please, before coming here and start a polemic issue, be sure of the information you're giving.

      • Fayruz sang about MECCA people!!! Does that make her Muslim? NO!

HER FATHER CAME FROM MARDIN, TURKEY... he was a syriac orthodox

[edit] ATTENTION PLEASE

TO the person adding the chronology information, put the info in this article Fairuz Chronology.

we have separated both articles to make Fairuz's biograpgy more readable and clearer.

Please don't change the whole article back as it was before. thanks a lot.

[edit] Discography

I have added a Discography section, and a hyperlink so that everyone can check her CDs and DVDs

[edit] Sources of her Orthodoxy?

Forgive me. I understand this was mentioned about two or three times before. I was just wondering if you can provide sources (books, articles, or websites) that say she was Syrian Orthodox and converted Greek Orthodox. A website search I did found that Wikipedia was the only one that says such information, while there are two other websites that say she "came from a Marionite family," such as this one:

http://www.lebanon.com/where/entertainment/fairuz.htm

I'm not questioning your information. I was just hoping you could cite where you get this information from.

Christ is risen!

God bless you.

Mina

    • Dear Mina, if you watched the lebanese channels lately, you could see that fayrouz chanted on the orthodox great friday (Friday the 21st of april not on maronite good friday the 14th of april). Every year she chants in orthodox churches, and her life documentary says so. This website has wrong info. Fayrouz's father was syriac originally form Mardine (Turkey). These people ran away from the turkish prosecution during World War I.

http://7iwarforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=777

Please read this article of Samir Atallah (journalist in Annahar newspaper and Friend of Fairuz and the Rahabanis) about Fairuz's 70 birthday. HOPE YOU READ ARABIC !

[edit] Fairuz does NOT have palestinian origins

Fairuz doesn't have any palestinian origins !!!!!

anyone who adds this edit would be vandalising this article... her father is Lebanese from TURKISH origins, and her mother is pure lebanese... check Atallah's article above

[edit] Most countries around the world?

The article states that Fairuz has performed in most countries around the world. Given that there are, what, 300+ countries, this would mean she has given a lot of concerts! So, os there any proof for this?

  • correction there r 200+ countires in the world, and she has sang in at least 50 of them!

[edit] Contradiction

During the Lebanese War (1975-1990), Fairuz never left Lebanon but did not hold any concerts there because it pained her greatly to see the Lebanese suffering and dying at the hands of foreigners and their own. She would not sing for them, them who were killing each other and destroying Lebanon. However, during that time period, Fairuz held several very successful record-breaking concerts and tours in numerous countries around the world. Fairuz's ability to tour internationally without ever leaving Lebanon was considered quite remarkable by many of her contemporaries.

Unless I'm missing something, this shouldn't be considered remarkable---it should be considered impossible. Any idea what's trying to be said here? Tesseran 08:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


  • Dear Tesseran, Fairuz indeed never left Lebanon to live abroad. She just left during a very limited time period to hold concerts and go back. so ur right, we should correct this!

[edit] Sources and POV

I've added templates indicating that the article as it stands lack sources and falls short of WP's neutral POV ideal. That there are no sources beyond the subject's homepage can, given the magnitude of her international career, doubtless be fixed. The POV issues are deeply woven into the text ("...angelic voice has enchanted millions...", "...her voice simply transcends the human hearing range...", indications of "historic" and "record breaking" performances without further citation, etc.), but much good work has gone into the text and it mostly needs a ruthless editor. Robertissimo 14:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notre Dame de Paris issue

Fayrouz never held a mass in Notre Dame de Paris Cathedral. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.216.205.147 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Cleaned

The article was cleaned from the "advertisements". I guess we should remove the ad template, but leave the need for references and sources template.

[edit] Assyrian father or not?

This was claimed in the article earlier, and it makes a lot of sense if he was from Mardin. Why is it not in the article anymore? Funkynusayri 20:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello! He was Syriac Orthodox... the article exists on Annahar newspaper archive, the link of the forum is dead now... Unfortunately if we ever have to get the link, we have to pay to get the archive, so it's kind of difficult... only her mum was a maronite, and later she became greek orthodox after marrying Assi Jabe88

[edit] contested statement removed

  • Fairuz has sold 80 million records around the world,{{Fact|date=December 2006}}
  • Another huge success was the massive concert at the Las Vegas MGM Grand Arena (1999) which broke box-office sales records{{Fact|date=February 2007}}

Please don't restore this information without a citation.--BirgitteSB 18:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)