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[edit] Band members list

What is the logic behind the ordering and selected emboldening of the "Band Members" list? I am loath to fiddle if there is a deliberate scheme to break, but it looks kind of random from here. --Phil | Talk 11:50, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

The ordering seems to be alphabetical by first name. The 'emboldening' appears to be links to other articles in Wikipedia -- early hours, 21 Nov 2004

Andy F

[edit] 22 Nov - latest edit correction

This text has again been changed to say that Fairport Convention.. "no longer organises the Cropredy Festival..."

This is incorrect. Despite uncertainty about the 2005 festival, it is now officially going ahead - organised by Fairport.

Furthermore, as no two people will agree on the best song or best album, I think it better to delete that line altogether. Mention of well-known albums appears in the history.

Andy F, 11.25pm, 22 Nov 2004

And yet again it has been replaced and deleted - I don't know from which newspaper the original writer gets his or her information, but if they check the stop press, they may be interested to hear that the Wehrmacht has invaded Poland!

A Friend 1543hrs GMT 23 Nov 2004

[edit] Who is this guy?

Thanks Slim for reverting this article, and ditto 'squonk999'. I am as sure of the facts in the article as one reasonably can be.

Someone seems hell-bent on putting Fairport into the metaphorical past tense and in denying Cropredy.

Well, whoever you are at adsl-68-73-229-199.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net, why don't you get a Wikipedia account and tell us what it is you know that we don't. Or do you prefer to peddle misinformation anonymously?

Andy F 18:33, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Somebody, who clearly is bereft of any clue at all.

[edit] Intro and NPOV

I have completely rewritten the introduction to this article.

The previous intro included...

"Dave Swarbrick, the band's fiddle player for many years, smoked long feminine (and sometimes distinctly un-tobaccolike) cigarettes, drank lots of booze, and had some of the most striking looking sideburns of any 70s musician."

This was, IMO, facetious in tone and hardly encyclopedic :)

["[Dave Pegg]], the bands bassist (and longest serving continuous member) is responsible for some of the most inventive and stunning bass parts ever comitted to vinyl..."

While I personally think Mr Pegg is a great bassist, the paragraph above is most definitely not a NPOV.

"Many critics point to his bass work in the song "The Bonny Bunch Of Roses" from the album of the same name, as his finest Fairport Moment."

This is purely subjective. There are probably as many 'finest moments' as there are Fairport fans.

I also think the sections need a bit more work. I'll have another look.

Andy F 02:20, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reorganised section headed, deleted redundant external link. Andy F 02:37, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

copy vio

[edit] copy vio

There is a suspicious similarity between this article and this website: http://www.fairportconvention.com/history.htm Ogg 13:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If by copy vio, you mean that the material on Fairport Convention's website might be copyright, it isn't. And even if it were, it is based on my work; but to be certain, I hereby give myself permission to reproduce it on Wikipedia on the understanding it will be treated as copyleft and open source. Andy F 02:02, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Just in case your head isn't swelled big enough to require a new hat yet, let me interject that whilst reading both this article and the version at the FP site, I'm sure I actually hear the voice of Ashley Hutchings reading it: you seem to have captured exactly the right tone (this is probably me recalling his narrative inserts on the "Cropredy Box" but the benefit of the doubt should be yours :-) --Phil | Talk 09:26, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
I'm trying to keep it hat-sized :)). Thanks for your kind words. Andy F 19:04, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If we've taken a lot of content from one source that should be indicated explicitly, just like when (for example) we start from a public domain source or when we translate an article from a foreign-language Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:52, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
OK Jmabel, good point. I've acknowledged the shared source now and there are several other references I will add - out of print books, magazine articles - when I get time. Andy F 22:30, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "In joke"

Well spotted, Jmabel. Ta. Andy F 19:04, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Electric folk

Fairport themselves, at least back in the day, preferred the term "electric folk" to "folk rock", as did most similar UK bands. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I remember the term 'electric folk' being used in the early 1970s. However, 'folk-rock' (or 'folk rock' or 'folkrock') became - and remains - the dominant usage. Andy F 22:11, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Still, we ought to at least mention the term, because it is what they used themselves. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Looking further at this (and our article): "...inventing folk rock...": this is just wrong. The Byrds had a hit covering Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man" and Pete Seeger's "Turn, Turn, Turn" in 1965. The Turtles had a hit with a somewhat overwrought version of Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe" that same year. What Fairport and their associates can be reasonably be said to have invented "British folk rock", or "electric folk" (a term little used in the US), but to say they invented folk rock is wrong by several years. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:06, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, this is a very good point. I agree that The Byrds in particular were pioneers of melding folk and rock music. Come to that, so was Dylan when he went electric. Equally, I think that Fairport was the first band to bring electric rock treatments to English traditional songs. So it is important in the article to make that distinction - to use the qualification English (or British) folk-rock. At the same time, we can introduce the term 'electric folk'. Andy F 09:20, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Electric folk is a subset of folk rock. -- TimNelson 12:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I know Pete Frame did a great chart once of the comings and goings of members of Fairport, and according to [1], it's recently been updated. We should probably cite at least one source for the original and the updated version; I know the original was reprinted in Pete Frame's Complete Rock Family Trees, Omnibus Press (June 1, 1984), ISBN: 0711904650, but I'm sure that is not the original publication (which was at least 10 years earlier, I think in a magazine, maybe Creem or his own Zig Zag). -- Jmabel | Talk 02:55, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Debut album

The "Official history"[2] says the debut album "came out before the end of 1967". "Expletive Delighted"[3] says it was recorded in November 67 and released in June the following year. The recent CD reissue says 1968, so I've changed the article accordingly. --  ajn (talk) 05:29, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "According to her"

Re: Sandy Denny: "According to her, she was seeking to work with the band again before her death." Which we know through a seance? Or is there something citable from a very late interview? - Jmabel | Talk 04:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

  • It's been almost 2 weeks, no one has answered, I'm removing. - Jmabel | Talk 00:19, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should this page have a link to long song titles like this?

==See also==

  • List of songs with particularly long titles

-- Gbeeker 22:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tam Lin

I'm thinking that somewhere we should mention their version of "Tam Lin", a long ballad that, in most versions, inspires thoughts like "time to go get a beer while they wade through this one", but in Fairport's version is absolutely bone-chilling. Does anyone have anything citable that has been written about it? - Jmabel | Talk 06:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions

Replace this line:

In a bad luck of fate, Sandy Denny aged 31, died in 1978, of a cerebral haemorrhage after falling down a flight of stairs.

with

Tragically Sandy Denny died in 1978 at the age of 31 of a cerebral haemorrhage after falling down a flight of stairs

  • Or, more appropriately, leave out the leading POV phrase entirely. If we can quote someone actually saying something about Denny's death, fine. - Jmabel | Talk 18:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Also I don't remember John Peel playing triangle on TOTP - is this apocryphal? Certainly no mention of it in his biography which states that his only appearance on the prog was as a host in 1968 (which was a disaster) until he mimed mandolin on Maggie May (he later became a host during the 8os).

I don't think the mention of Nick Drake is relevent here. 'Later the band would play with folk guitarist Nick Drake, who also had connections with Joe Boyd and whose popularity would slowly rise after his death in 1974'

  • Richard Thompson was later largely responsible for bringing out (and publicizing) the Nick Drake box set that is the main way anyone under 50 knows of Drake. But I don't have a citation on that. We should track down a citation indicating the importance of the connection, rather than remove mention from the article. - Jmabel | Talk 18:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Finally this line:

Meanwhile, Dave Pegg had joined Jethro Tull and was the first of many Convention players who played in both folk rock preceptors.

This doesn't make sense on at least 2 counts! A preceptor is a teacher? I've never considered Jethro Tull as a Folk Rock band. Their first album, 'This Was' was Blues influenced, Stand Up and some later stuff may have had folk influences but could just as easily be described as Heavy Rock or more likely Prog Rock!

  • Largely concur; still while Songs from the Wood may not have many folk influences in the narrow sense, it does have influences from composed music of roughly the Elizabethan era, which were also to be found in a lot of UK bands usually counted as folk rock (Gryphon, Pentangle). - Jmabel | Talk 18:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.163.65 (talk • contribs) 15 July 2006.

Why is it ironic that Nick Drake's music became popular after featuring on a VW ad? Odd, yes, unfortunate, certainly, but ironic? Also, the main article could be a bit more objective Ezy Rider

[edit] First recording

I believe that their first recording was a single for Polydor - titled "If I Had A Ribbon Bow" (late 1967 or early 1968 I think) - which was subsequently released on a multi-artist compilation album by that label. It certainly pre-dated their first album for Island. I think it should be referred to - and more importantly - reflected in the opening references to their first recordings. Davidpatrick 04:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tone of Article

The tone of this article really doesn't sound very encyclopedic to me. The way the band's history is presented it almost sounds like a narration of a story. One thing that caught my eye was "calling it a day" which was used on several occasions to signify the band considering to break up. What are your opinions?

PokiToki 01:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Fairport 500.gif

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[edit] Advertising link

The link to the Maidstone video is no more than an advertisement for a commercial product (and one not even associated, except by content, with Fairport Convention). It is certainly not encyclopedic. I removed it but the Rhe RevertBot reinstated it. I think this needs attention. BTW, I am Andy F, a long time associate of the band, and most of the original article is my work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.39.34 (talk) 20:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Band Members Timeline needed

As there have been quite a lot of change in line-up of the band from time to time. It will me more appropriate if someone could make a time line similar to the ones existing for The Who and Jefferson Airplane.

VivekTalk!! 05:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)