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[edit] Accent / pronunciation

I saw the name with an accent aigu on the e (Fadéla Amara) but I moved the page since I think it's less common. Is that the proper pronunciation? "FUH-day-luh"? If anyone knows that'd be great. gren グレン 02:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

The two a in Fadela are pronounced like the first a in Arkansas. The de is indeed prnounced as in day. By the way, her official name is Fatiha, not Fadela. --Pylambert (talk) 12:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic feminist

The "category:Islamic feminist" has been removed from the article. I created the category, and think it serves as a useful way to link women from similar religious backgrounds who are fighting for their rights, whether they use secular or sharia arguments. The article on Islamic feminism makes it clear that not all of the women mentioned there are devout. Perhaps the category would be better entitled "Muslim feminists", but this is what we've got for now. Would it meet with opposition were I to re-add the category? BrainyBabe 16:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] centre-right government

We can't describe Sarkozy's government as centre-right. It is so right wing that a large section of the traditional right have broken off to form a new centre party (under Bayrou).Johncmullen1960 (talk) 13:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I certainly understand your position and I (reading between the lines) don't like the Fillon government any more than you do. Nonetheless, as I'm sure you know, a significant portion of the former UDF is still part of the UMP (Méhaignerie is even a co-president); Kouchner, Jean-Marie Bockel, and Jean-Pierre Jouyet are running the foreign policy show; Éric Besson, hardly the darling of the right, is still at the Matignon. Furthermore, and more importantly, an overwhelming majority of sources still tag the UMP in general as "centre-right." Why not save the "right-wing" appellation for a government including, say, Bruno Mégret, Alain Madelin, Bruno Gollnisch, Pierre Lellouche and/or Philippe de Villiers ? It could definitely be worse. (PS - If you have a serious problem with calling the UMP "centre-right," why not take it to the UMP discussion page, where I'm sure the discussion will be more rewarding ?) Hubacelgrand (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Sources in France? That would surprise me. Maybe centre-right has different meanings in different places. In France, people like De Villiers and Mégret are *universally* termed 'far right' outside their own organizations. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 13:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we've discovered the problem. Centre-right does mean different things in different places; because France is used to thinking of things (lately) in terms of PCF-PS-UDF-RPR, centre-right (at least the way I read it) tends to mean "centrist with rightist elements" (which the UMP is not) as opposed to "on the centre of the right side of the spectrum" (which the UMP, in my opinion, is). Again the way I read it, this usage is not much encountered outside France. We're not writing primarily for French audiences here - fortunately or not - and by European standards, the UMP is a centre-right party, even if by French standards it's simply a party of the right. If you still don't like to use "centre-right," how about "liberal-conservative" or "right-of-centre" ? Hubacelgrand (talk) 17:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could go for "Conservative"? But remember how this particular government came about, in the aftermath of the presidential campaign. And the presidential campaign was very very clearly right wing, unlike say the campaign of Jacques Chirac in 2002 which was centre-right in discourse.

The slogans of Sarkozy's campaign were "work more to earn more", re-establish the singing of the national anthem in schools, increase the number of illegal immigrants deported, back to basics in the school curriculum etc etc. I think Sarkozy himself would be amazed if not offended by the idea that he had not managed to set up a right wing government . Johncmullen1960 (talk) 09:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic

فاضلة عمارة vs. فضيلة عمارة I can't tell if this should have an alif after the fa or not or if it has a ya after the . The interwiki link was just changed to remove the alif and add a ya but the AR article still has it in the opening. Google hits are about equal on each version so I can't tell from that, either. The first would be Faadellah versus Fadayla. The latter better matches the French spelling (Fadéla) and might be a transliteration back into Arabic while the former is the real name? Or... any help on this would... help. gren グレン 10:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)