Talk:F-22 cockpit

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[edit] Notability and references

I see that this article has now been tagged for questionable notability and lacking references.

It has three internet links as references and these seem to be perfectly valid. It's not clear how notability could be enhanced either by "expanding" - the features described are those which make this cockpit distinct from the cockpits of other fast jets, or by "more references" - the same facts are spread across numerous public web pages, but they are still the same facts.

Notability could possibly be enhanced by trimming out those features which are very similar to other cockpits, but this might produce a less descriptive and well balanced article. The article was created as a stand-alone on the advice of other contributors.

The views of other contributors on this tagging are requested. Wittlessgenstein (talk) 10:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• The article has several sections and paragraphs without inline references. The 3 references are all in the first couple paragraph. I can help a little with that, but I'm nore sure where a lot of the info comes from. I don't think expanding or contracting the article will help it gain notability. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• If any military cockpit deserves its own article, it's the F-22. Googling F-22 and cockpit yields 188,000 results, so I don't see that notability is a real issue. All of the information here can found in the references already provided. I certainly don't think this detail would be better off back in the main article, even though the cockpit section there now also has an expand tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
• It might have been fair to describe the F-22 cockpit as a "zenith" when it was first flown, but it's not that special now when compared to Typhoon which has DVI, with Rafale which has touch-screens, with Gripen which has very large colour displays or with F-35 which uses HMSS instead of HUD. But still agree that F-22 cockpit is probably notable in its own right, as it was really first of its type. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Tne tagger, NickDowling, has suggested that I "...tweak the cockpit article further to focus on how its a major advance in technology". This seems perfectly reasonable so I'll try and do that, or at least to focus on how it was a major advance at the time. Wittlessgenstein (talk) 13:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

• The Lead and the top of the very top of the Description section would be a good place for a summary covering the advances. All the paragraphs should be referenced too. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cockpit Image(s)

It seems difficult to source any image which does not invoke copyvio. Any suggestions gratefuly received. Wittlessgenstein (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)