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Hello EZ1234 just a point about your inclusion of flags in airline infoboxes, the project consensus is not to include them, you are welcome to comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines. MilborneOne (talk) 15:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 An Invite to join Aviation WikiProject 2 Cheers 3 Invitation 4 Welcome! 5 Flags 6 Flags 2 7 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008) 8 List of military engagements of World War II 9 Flags again (infobox) 10 Discussion of changes to Aircraft Infobox 11 Re: Question 12 National origin 13 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)

[edit] An Invite to join Aviation WikiProject

[edit] Cheers

Thanks, glad to hear that! --Eurocopter (talk) 11:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

I've remarked your interest in various military history - related articles and I thought you might want to join our project. Please feel free to add your name to this list if you would like to join the Military history Wikiproject; you are also encouraged to participate in any of our task forces that might interest you. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 12:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

[edit] Flags

Hi, and thanks for all your great contributions. Per WP:MILMOS#Flags, we do not use flags in the infoboxes of weapons; after all they add nothing at all that the country name does not already give. Best wishes, --John (talk) 19:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flags 2

Thanks for the question I dont think the project actually came to a consensus on infobox flags although the feeling was that they were not necessary in infoboxes. The only concensus was not to include them in destination lists. I will bring it up again at the project but it is not always easy to get a clear consensus. MilborneOne (talk) 12:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008)

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[edit] List of military engagements of World War II

I noticed that you are working on this, and I'd like to say that the whole list thing is in bad need of rethinking.

For a start it seems to me that while the terms such as campaigns, operations, battles and engagements remain undefined, it is absolutely pointless compiling such lists. If you have a look a the article I'm working through, you will see that I can add hundreds of "engagements" even at operational and strategic level, and these are only named for ground ops. Each one comes with an air op, and many with naval ops...and then I can go down to the thousands of lower-level "engagements". In fact there were thousands of cities fought over on the Eastern Front also, and since people think nothing of adding battalion actions, and even companies...

I had sometime last year proposed a more structured approach which was discussed and abandoned. I had also added a sort of an essay in the MilHist project pages. I have not had anyone comment yet, so please feel free...

I would suggest that there need to be Lists organised as follows (regardless of what the article title calls them)

• Grand strategy

List of covert operations during the Second World War (continuous operation (including planning) that lasted more then a year)

List of land campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)

List of naval campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)

List of air campaigns during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two seasons)

• Strategy

List of covert missions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for at least six months)

List of land strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)

List of naval strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)

List of air strategic operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two months)

• Operational level

List of covert tasks during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six weeks)

List of land operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)

List of naval operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)

List of air operations during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two weeks)

• Tactical level

List of covert actions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six days)

List of land battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)

List of naval battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)

List of air battles during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then two days)

• Minor tactics

List of covert direct actions during the Second World War (continuous operative deployment for as least six hours)

List of land engagements during the Second World War(any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)

List of naval engagements during the Second World War(any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)

List of air engagements during the Second World War (any continuous combat action (from start of planning) that spans more then nine hours)

Note 1: I think that the use of "of" is bad English even if it has been used for centuries. Aside from the confusion with "off", "of" does not convey any meaning such as "in", or "near", of "for", etc. Most combat takes place over a period of time, and that period in this case is limited to the Second World War, i.e. during it, and not "of" it. Note 2: As an Australian I prefer to use the more logical Second World War as opposed to use of II which is easily mistyped as I, or Two, which is easily phonetically misunderstood as "too", never mind that the first World War was not One given there were at least two, but is followed by second ;o)

I would not have a list of combined ops at all. They may have been combined in planning, but the phases were necessarily restricted to operations in the environment of the troops' Service. Once those glider landed and the LCI beached, the operation was over for the pilots and the seamen, though of course many had to fight in ground roles. Cheers--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 14:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

G'day, I wasn't blaming you at all. Glad someone is working on it. I'm in Sydney. Cheers--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 08:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am now trying to sort out the categories to see hat goes where because it proved to be extremely confusing to me when I tried to set up articles in my field of interest.

For a start I work from a sourced definition of what a military engagement is. It comes from a distinguished American military historian Trevor N. Dupuy, and is limited to combat between two forces between a division and a company in size.(form his book Understanding War:History and theory of combat). If you would like to go through the list and weed out which articles match this description, we can categorise them as such. How does that sound? There is a problem however. This definition is allied to ground troops, so we need to figure out what the naval and air equivalents would be, because although the naval and air forces also have divisions, they perform much greater role in combat then their ground equivalents.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 05:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Example of a naval air arm engagement Easter Sunday Raid. So, is this an air engagement or a naval one, or is there a need for a naval air arm engagements category?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 12:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I think there is a need for a naval air arm engagements category because there are numerous naval air arm engagements. EZ1234 (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is a good source for the USAAF 1941-1945 [1]--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 10:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flags again (infobox)

Last time it was brought up the discussion did not come to a conclusion so I have started the conversation again. Not a big fan of flags myself but I am more concerned that all the articles have the same look and feel. We will have to wait and see what happens. MilborneOne (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of changes to Aircraft Infobox

You might want to join in on this discussion concerning your recent new additions to the infobox. Askari Mark (Talk) 18:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Question

I'm sorry, but your question isn't actually clear. Could you please rephrase it? Askari Mark (Talk) 18:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, but I didn't notice that I had two new messages on the 26th. For the purposes of the infobox, the final user's retirement of the aircraft should be used, and I would note the year, with the final user in parentheses, instead of vice versa. For a handy reference, check the Infobox Aircraft template description page. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] National origin

Please stop removing "National origin" information from the Infobox Aircraft on aircraft pages, as you did on the Mikoyan MiG-29 and the Mikoyan MiG-29M pages. This field was discussed and accepted in discussion at WT:AIR, and is listed at [[WP:AIR/PC}WP:AIR's page content guidelines. If you have valid reasons why the field should not be used, either on some or all aircraft pages, please discuss this at WT:AIR. Thanks for your cooperation. - BillCJ (talk) 07:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)

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