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[edit] List of Extreme Sports

I do not wish to list sports which I personally believe are not "extreme", but we need a working definition, or some sort of consensus on what is an "extreme sport". Mere personal participation in a sport does not make it "extreme" no matter how much we may want to appear cool or whatnot. If a definition or consensus not be reached, then this list should be deleted.(Athomeonarock 05:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] whoever decides, it's not you

What am I saying with this admittedly provocative heading? That it shouldn't be Wikipedia contributors who "decide" whether something is an extreme sport. Like anything on Wikipedia, there should be a citation demonstrating that something is considered an extreme sport by some authority other than the author. Is this a misguided notion, that nobody has mentioned it yet? --Stellmach 14:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] horseback riding

I removed the following statement because it appears to be POV: Please Note: Horse Riding, Cross Country Riding, Show Jumping, Hunting and any other form of riding a horse is not an extreme sport. And should never ever been considered an extreme sport.

I wasn't aware that anyone was ever trying to consider horseback riding or anything similar as an extreme sport. The statement just appears to be too much of a violation of NPOV (though there's still a little bit of POV here and there in this article). --Elkman 20:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Poor standard of literacy for such a major activity

I have taken some time to pull the socks up on this article; the editorial standards are not what they should be for such a major activity. I am ex-Oxford University Dangerous Sports Club btw.. and I was there a while back - before the phrase extreme sports was even thought of! And yeah; I should be literate as I studied as hard as I .. Grroin 14:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clever self promotion or just fun - urban golf

Have put urban golf up for delete and maybe the link should go from here. By no stretch of the imagination should this be in extreme sport listGrroin 01:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Yatching and Unicycling

I really do not consider these two extreme sports. If someone does not give me a good reason to keep them then I will delete them. It is not something I would qualify as a risky activity. Unless you are yatching around antartica, or riding a unicycle over a cliff QzarBaron 02:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


This is a very ignorant statement, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you would put two seconds into researching unicycling, you would find a culture of unicycling that one would never think exists. There are professional mountain unicyclist and trial riders. Kris Holmes, for example, has his own line of unicycling seats just as a skateboarder would have a line of helmets. Just because unicycling is portrayed as a clown thing, it doesn’t mean that it is, there is a whole world out there of extreme unicycling. On the internet you can find clips of unicyclists riding on the edge of canyons and racing down rocky mountains, I myself unicycle and was extremely inspired by the DVD " UNiVERsE 2 : Implosion Factor" which shows some of the crazy stunts unicyclers have preformed that would wow the eyes of anyone and for sure should be seen as an extreme sport. Go to this link, [1] , and watch a clip from the DVD if you don’t believe me. I’m just saying there should be a whole section on just extreme unicycling on Wikipedia, because there is more than enough to write pages upon pages about it.

Same can be said about yatching, except you don't have to do research, just watch TV. The oceans are extreme enviroments par excellence, racing in them is extreme sport. 82.181.150.151 21:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


I think that unicycling should be in the list. i unicycle, and think that it should be rcognized as a "extreme" sport.

[edit] As good as derogatory content

i was extremely disappointed with the contents of the first page...

we need a much broader and deeper view on Extreme sports...

the current content is highly biased and does no justice to the title...

[edit] Ultimate Frisbee

Removed. It is a team game, no different from football, rugby or hockey. Indeed, the later two are considerably more extreme than Ultimate Frisbee. Damiancorrigan 15:49, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airsoft removal

Certainly a POV, not dangerous, not "frindge". can not be considered extreme in any situation

Good job. — [Mac Davis] (talk) (Desk|Help me improve)

[edit] Jousting

Anyone consider adding jousting? Just a thought I had off the top of my head.

Why don't cha put gladiating in than? I think extreme sports have to be from this time or the future. — [Mac Davis] (talk) (Desk|Help me improve)

[edit] Barefoot Skiing Add

Added barefoot skiing as it is a very different discipline of Water skiing similar to how snow boading and wake boarding differ from skiing. It is also has its own competitions and 40+ miles per hour on your feet is definitely extreme.

[edit] Jousting

Good point. Although it does occur today, it isn't widely enough practiced to justify being listed.

[edit] Paintball and surfing

Surely these are not "extreme" sports...

Surfing is note an extreme sport? Are you crazy? Try surfing Teahupoo. Please, do your homework before writing nonsense. But, and now a big BUT, there should not be a List of Extreme sports here, because it's completely subjective. I propose to create a separate article with a list of Extreme Sports and see if this article meets wikipedia standards. If not, then the list will be deleted and the Extreme Sports article will remain clean of all this POV thing. Regards Loudenvier 20:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of extreme sports removal

Hi all. I've removed the list of extreme sports from this article. The reasoning is simple: This article about Extreme Sports is an important article given the prominence of Extreme Sports in the media, etc. It would be a waste to degrade the quality of this article and further disputes on it's talk page because of a list of so-called extreme sports. We had a similar problem with the Virtuoso article: people started a list of Virtuosi players, but, who is considered a virtuoso? It's POV to consider a guitar player virtuoso or not, unless a reliable source for that had stated so. For example, Jimi Hendrix is considered a virtuoso by the media and by lazy people. He however wasn't a guitar virtuoso. He lacked the discipline and technical skills of a true virtuoso. He made lots of performance mistakes live, which a virtuoso should never commit. If you see Steve Vai playing perfectly a lot of songs which are much more technical demanding than any Jimi Hendrix song you will start to understand what I'm saying. The fact is that, to consider Jimi Hendrix a virtuoso or not, is a holplessly POV statement. The same applies to an Extreme Sport. Someone here said Surfing is not an extreme sport. To me this one is crazy or narrow minded: Everyday surf in small waves is certainly not too extreme :-). But try surfing Teahupoo at a size: Isn't it an extreme sport? Of course it is, but in my humble opinion, or, in other words, POV. So I decided to eliminate the list and create it's own article. In the process I'm shielding the article about Extreme Sports, as a definition, from the discussion about the list of extreme sports. In the end, this list can be considered non-encyclopedic, and be deleted by administrator. In this case, no such list will be allowed on the article too, because it couldn't stand in wikipedia by itself, because its unencyclopedic. I think this is the way to help improving the Extreme articles and move unproductive discussions to it's proper place/page. Regards. Loudenvier 20:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is great!

I had a feeling "Extreme Sports" was a BS term that really amounted to mostly marketing & hype! :-D --BillyTFried 23:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thoroughbred Horse Racing

With reference to the comment "I removed the following statement because it appears to be POV: Please Note: Horse Riding, Cross Country Riding, Show Jumping, Hunting and any other form of riding a horse is not an extreme sport. And should never ever been considered an extreme sport."

I would ask what your thoughts are on the task asked of the jockey in a Thoroughbred race? Every time they sit in the saddle of a 550kg animal at high speed with a number of other competitors in the race, they take their lives into their hands. Consider balancing on the balls of your feet and guiding a thoroughbred over a mile where one false step could be disastrous. I believe the following elements are attained:

"An extreme sport (also called action sport, adventure sport, and adventurous sport) is any sport featuring speed, height, danger, a high level of physical exertion, highly specialized gear, or spectacular stunts." Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.42.2.11 (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Snowskating

This is definitely an extreme sport and should be written into the article! [2]

Hattabatta 00:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muslim Xtremists

I removed the comment regarding the "Muslim Xtremists", as this sounds like a dubious attempt at humor. However, even should this be true, there was no background on it and it didn't really seem related to the rest of the paragraph. If it is true, making it a little less non sequitur so that it relates to the surrounding text better would be nice.

Twilight 14:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Good call. It sounded illegit, but true or not, it was inappropriate and needed removal. LunaticBeatnik 09:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Danger of extreme sports

In my point of view, all extreme sports needs to be dangerous. If you are calling that extreme sports imply a high level of speed, strength, endurance, height, or risk of injury. You also are saying that running is an extreme sport. That is not true. I like the current definition which separate sports from the extreme sport. Carlosguitar 17:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I expressly state that a sport needs to be fashionable among youth to be considered an extreme sport and running is definitely not (hobbyist runners tend to be older). Furthermore, many sports universally considered to "extreme sports" such as skateboarding, BMX, etc are not dangerous in a absolute sense or in comparison to similar "non extreme" sports such as road cycling. Furthermore, in many potentially dangerous sports, the very danger results in EXTREME safety precautions being used which in the end make it relatively safe (similar to how statistically airplanes are safer than cars). In the end, almost every sport has an element of risk and unless you have a statistical study of injury/death rates for various sports, its meaningless to talk about what you think is dangerous or not.24.12.189.115 21:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Running an extr. sport by old def
No, running do not have a high level of danger, can be dangerous in some situation, but never high level of danger.
  • that are fashionable among the under 30 demographic.
Not true, there is "old" skaters like Tony Hawk, Rodney Mullen, Bob Burnquist, Andy Macdonald, Chad Muska. A legend of BMX is also "old". And skateboarding and BMX are not fashionable, it is your point of view.
  • many sports universally considered to "extreme sports" such as skateboarding, BMX
Considered by who? Why? I never said that skateboarding and BMX are extreme sports, you are saying it.
  • In the end, almost every sport has an element of risk and unless you have a statistical study of injury/death rates for various sports
I never said that sports does not have danger. The question here is which are a highly dangerous activities, not which are few danger or safe.
Your definition is totally inaccurate. According to your definition horse racing is a extreme sport because involve high level of speed; running is because involve endurance; weight training and bodybuilding are because involve strength and endurance. Carlosguitar 09:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

You have a extremely narrow definition of extreme sports if you do not consider BMX or skateboarding to be examples of such. You need to stop imposing your minority view on wikipedia. (your other points are not worth arguing since you are willfully misinterpreting my statements).24.12.189.115 19:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

  • You have a extremely narrow definition of extreme sports if you do not consider BMX or skateboarding
No, BMX and skateboarding are physical arts or sports. They are not extreme just because media call them.
  • You need to stop imposing your minority view on wikipedia.
For your information, I am not alone read the definition of extreme by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language.
  • your other points are not worth arguing since you are willfully misinterpreting my statements
I pointed erroneous things with your definition, and you ignored them all. Carlosguitar 23:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Reliable of X Games

Which the reliable of X Games event to define which sports are extreme sports? In my opinion they are not a reliable source. As said in the skateboarding article, it is an art that sometimes is practiced as sport in the tournaments. Carlosguitar 17:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

If extreme sports is a marketing term then the people doing the marketing, i.e. the organizing staff of the X-Games, have a significant say in what is an extreme sport.24.12.189.115 21:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

They have right use the term as marketing not to define which activities are extreme sport, that is a lot different. Carlosguitar 09:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

So the millions of people who watch the X-games say to themselves "oh, I love the X-games, but they aren't really extreme sports!" ? Give me a fucking break. Its called description vs. prescription. Since there is no authoritative governing body prescribing the definition of "extreme sports", the only thing you can go on is a description of what people consider to be extreme sports, which would be stuff like the X-games which draws millions of viewers to watch "extreme sports."

Oh yeah, and Carlos, just to clear things up: no, you are not an authoritative governing body even if you think wikipedia makes you one. Piss off.24.12.189.115 19:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Got argumentum ad populum? People say, people believe. Go ahead.
  • say to themselves "oh, I love the X-games, but they aren't really extreme sports!" ?
Correct them saying that they are watching only sports which does not have anything of extreme. Because media created disfigured extreme sport term just to sell themselves.
  • Oh yeah, and Carlos, just to clear things up: no, you are not an authoritative governing body even if you think wikipedia makes you one.
Where is the WP:POINT? Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass.
X Games are not reliable source because does not represent world-wide view, it use term as marketing propaganda, does not explain the means of "extreme". Carlosguitar 23:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of Extreme Sport

Just a suggestion, the definition of extreme sport should be associated with the fact that the sport was invented for the adrenaline rush first and then competition second—as opposed to being invented for competition of skill and physical ability. I cannot think of any sport that this idea doesn't clearly define as either extreme or not so. —Preceding Signatures comment added by 24.36.192.193 (talk) 23:11, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

  • ...which is why I've removed cave exploration from the list of extreme sports; for most participants there is no adrenaline, no speed, no competition. I question whether ice climbing qualifies as well... altho there may be a small subset that might be called extreme. Ian mckenzie (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research

This article qualifies as a wikipedia Xtreme Xsport, as it contains almost nothing other than Original Research. If this term is used so much by the media, then there should be plenty of citations to build the article around. At the moment, the article based on citations (ie, the Wiki part) is about two sentences. Y'all need to work on getting citations in there, or the majority of the article might be deleted (for instance, by me). See WP:OR. Ratagonia (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes this article contains original research, but I do not agree with form which you removed all unreferenced statements only based on original research. Unverified content is not always original research, perhaps we can use these sources: [3] [4] [5]
Also this sentence:
At present date, there are no careful studies or statistics of deaths to separate activities with low or normal level of danger from those with high level of danger. Therefore is not even possible to categorize activities as extreme sports and the term is often used for the marketing by sport events such as X Games.
Does not need source, since I did not find a list of sports by risk factor, so it is not possible today to define what is extreme sport and what is not. The only study that I found was orthopaedic injuries to children (ages 6 to 17 made by Richard B. Chambers. Yet any of the six sports studied were never considered extreme sports. Carlosguitar (Yes Executor?) 23:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Carlosguitar, for objecting. But, while the article contains many statements that we can perhaps agree are true or accurate, it is not a very encyclopedic nor wikipedic article. There are many things said that perhaps a journalist has said - and thus it could be included with a citation. Wikipedia articles are not built of statements that we editors agree are true - Wikipedia articles are built of statements that reliable sources have said, carefully editted by Wiki-acs to build an article that makes sense. So, ...
If "Extreme Sport" is prominent in the popular culture, there should be plenty of material to build a real Wikipedia article. Let's get at it! Ratagonia (talk) 01:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Just clarifying, I am not saying that we should build this article on statements that we agree nor I am agreeing with what have written on this article. But if you and me are not finding a careful study with a list of sports by risk factor or statistics of death, why not add this information to the article? For example this study is proving that Skateboarding is more dangerous than roller skating or in-line skating, but it is not possible to compare with study by Richard B. Chambers, since the methods used are different. Thus we do not know who is more dangerous, American Football or Skateboarding. So I think, we need at least a sentence saying how hard is measure the factual risk on sports. Carlosguitar (Yes Executor?) 08:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)