Talk:Extreme points of Italy
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[edit] Merger
Geography of Italy already has a section on the vertical extremes of the country. The lateral extremes should be handled in the same way, and in the same article, where they will have context. Uncle G 15:40, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
- This is part of a series of articles. See, for instance, Extreme points of the United Kingdom or Extreme points of the world for examples of how this article can grow. The Geography of Italy article is a mess which provides little content and should link to this page. Warofdreams 17:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- No, it is not. The fact that the article where this belongs is a "mess" is not an excuse to fork a sub-topic. If you see a mess be bold and clean it up. Don't fork a new article to get away from it. Extreme points of the United Kingdom is a sub-topic broken out of Geography of the United Kingdom because the parent article is rather large. That is not the case with Geography of Italy, and so there is no parallel. Extreme points of the world only exists because "the world" is not specific to a country, and again there is no parallel. There is no "Extreme points of" series here. What there is is a series of individual country articles (India, Italy, United Kingdom, &c.) with "Geography of" articles broken out of their geography sections (Geography of India, Geography of Italy, Geography of the United Kingdom &c.). In rare cases the "Geography of" articles have themselves grown big enough for their own sections to likewise spawn their own break-out articles (e.g. Economic geography of the United Kingdom). This is not the case here. Geography of Italy is still relatively tiny, and this text belongs there, not least because it is about the geography of Italy. Uncle G 17:49, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
- There are a whole series of extreme points of X articles. If this is merged, (almost) all of them should be too. But I see no benefit from doing so, and nobody has suggested it in the many months since the first were created. If you insist on merging, please hold a vote for all the articles for consistency. Warofdreams
- No, it is not. The fact that the article where this belongs is a "mess" is not an excuse to fork a sub-topic. If you see a mess be bold and clean it up. Don't fork a new article to get away from it. Extreme points of the United Kingdom is a sub-topic broken out of Geography of the United Kingdom because the parent article is rather large. That is not the case with Geography of Italy, and so there is no parallel. Extreme points of the world only exists because "the world" is not specific to a country, and again there is no parallel. There is no "Extreme points of" series here. What there is is a series of individual country articles (India, Italy, United Kingdom, &c.) with "Geography of" articles broken out of their geography sections (Geography of India, Geography of Italy, Geography of the United Kingdom &c.). In rare cases the "Geography of" articles have themselves grown big enough for their own sections to likewise spawn their own break-out articles (e.g. Economic geography of the United Kingdom). This is not the case here. Geography of Italy is still relatively tiny, and this text belongs there, not least because it is about the geography of Italy. Uncle G 17:49, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
- Oppose. The article has a well-defined subject and is extendable, see Extreme points of the United Kingdom for an example. mikka (t) 00:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Suggestions. How about we set up a sort of "infobox" template to hold "extreme points" data? The "Extreme points of..." series seems to me to be a good candidate for this sort of treatment as the type of information is generally pretty standard. If such "infoboxes" are done, they might be easier to included in the corresponding "Geography of..." articles without reducing readability. On the other hand, perhaps there should even be a series of separate articles "Geographical data for..." that could be an expanded version of the "Extreme points of..." articles, to include the vertcal high/low, longest river, largest lake, etc. Does anyone have any views? --A bit iffy 11:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'm concerned that an infobox with this information would be unduly long. Could you mock up an example? thanks, Warofdreams talk 14:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Warofdreams, here you are. What do you think? I'd welcome anyone's views on the viability of this, and prettifying/expansion/reformatting etc. Any sort of feedback is welcome, really. NB: I got the data for the highest and lowest points from Geography of Italy, and promptly removed them from there as the information seems suspect. So the Geography of Italy is not just a mess, it appears wrong as well. --A bit iffy 12:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'm concerned that an infobox with this information would be unduly long. Could you mock up an example? thanks, Warofdreams talk 14:02, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
| Extreme Points | ||
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| Italy | ||
| Northernmost | Dreiherrnspitze, Bolzano-Bozen | |
| Southernmost | Punta Sottile, Lampedusa, Sicily | |
| Westernmost | Roche Bernaude, Piedmont | |
| Easternmost | Palascia, Apulia | |
| Highest | Mt. Brancazio 4,810 m | |
| Lowest | Mistretta Sea 0 m | |
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- Your table looks very nice. Is there a way of including the extreme points of the mainland and any necessary notes (which this article does not have but many others in the series do)? Or do you envisage this kind of information being written out in the Geography of ... article? Warofdreams talk 00:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
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Sorry for delay, xxxx - this is quite a slow process, isn't it! I tend to contribute to WP in small bits and pieces during odd moments, so I can't usually do extended contributions.
Here's another infobox. I've based this one on Extreme points of Ireland as it has notes, and these are just examples anyway.
I envisage these probably going in the main "Geography of..." articles as I don't think they take up too much of the screen's real estate, Also, things like standardised boxes do make the article easier to read by compartmentalising the information.
These are the first ones I've ever done, and I've found they're amazingly simple! I suppose if we do implement something like this, it would make sense to formally create the corresponding template so that similar infoboxes can be done for other countries/regions.
Also, I do think there is a case for things like dedicated "Geographical data for..." articles. These could include not just these infoboxes, northermost settlements, southernmost, etc., and maybe even things like largest lake, largest city, longest river - there's quite a scope here.
| Extreme Points | ||
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| Ireland (including islands) | ||
| Northernmost | Inishtrahull Island, County Donegal ¹ | |
| Southernmost | Fastnet Rock, County Cork | |
| Westernmost | Tearaght Island, County Kerry ¹ | |
| Easternmost | Canon Rock, off Ards Peninsula, County Down ² | |
| Notes | ¹ The Republic of Ireland claims Rockall, which, if it is included as part of Ireland, is both the northernmost and westernmost island.
² The easternmost point of the Republic of Ireland is Lambay Island in County Dublin. |
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