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However, the majority of the article was transwiki'd to WikiFur. GreenReaper 21:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

This article has way, way too many copyrighted images. Please see our Image use policy. FreplySpang (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Note from Article Creator 2 wth is the extinctioners?? 3 Artist for the cover of Issue 15 4 About Extinctioner page Deletion discussion 5 Wikifur Link

[edit] Note from Article Creator

If anyone wants to make drastic changes to MY article, please consult me FIRST, thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talk • contribs) .

Please read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles; no one owns articles on Wikipedia. Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 04:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

You may find some of the templates in the Comic Project useful. Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/templates VikÞor [[User talk:Vik-Thor|Talk]] 01:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This article is primarily sourced from WikiFur, which is not a reliable source. I've removed the template at the bottom. But this article needs to be properly sourced. The existing text can't stay because the source is not reliable, but not having a source template would violate WikiFur's GFDL license. I'll wait a couple days, if anyone can find a source for this information other than Wikifur. If not, I'm going re-nominate the article for deletion, especially since, aside from promoting Wikifur as an unreliable source, it still contains a number of copyrighted images, as noted above. Robocracy 01:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I've copied the Template:WikiFur tag to this talk page, as per "Where it goes" in Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles and GFDL as laid out in Wikipedia:Copyrights. --EarthFurst 10:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This now goes at the bottom of the page itself. I have modified the template appropriately. GreenReaper 17:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mike Curtis hee, Publisher of SHANDA FANTASY ARTS, which publishes EXTINCTIONERS and EXTINCTIONERS" TALES OF THE ENDANGERED. I hope you will not delete the entry on EXTINCTIONERS. I assure you it is a real comic, worthy of inclusion. Shawntae Howard, the creator, writer and artist, has many credits in the comic industry in addition to this creation such as KATMANDU (also published by us) and will be appearing in an upcoming issue of ALTER EGO as well.

[edit] wth is the extinctioners??

the "plot outline" is a to-a-t copy of a sci-fi book I read from the 70's... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.136.197 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Artist for the cover of Issue 15

As far as I remember, Eugene Arenhaus was the guest artist for the cover of Issue 15 Volume 2. Correct me if I'm wrong. LabFox 11:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

not sure, Shawntae Howard himself e-mailed me the cover to update the page - RVDDP2501 16:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I found some references. Shawntae Howard posted this preview on deviantART. There he said that it was a collaboration between Eugene Arenhaus and him (pencils by Eugene Arenhaus, coloring by Shawntae Howard), but he also said that Eugene Arenhaus' final work will be better. That sounds as if the final cover has been both drawn and colored by Eugene. And when Shawntae posted the final cover in the Club Extinctioners Yahoo Group back in 2005 (see this message), the signature on the picture only contained Eugene. So it looks like the final cover has been done entirely by him. Maybe you should just ask Shawntae about this. LabFox 18:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm.... I think your right about Eugene Arenhaus, I'll just place his name then, thanks for your help, is there anything else that could use changing? - RVDDP2501 23:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I haven't found anything else, I'll check the article more thoroughly this evening. By the way, I suppose you would prefer discussing any changes here first due to recent arguments about the contents of the article, right? LabFox 09:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

yes, I think talking about ideas here first before making changes to the page would be the best apporach concidering how the page originally looked before which sparked it possible deletion by several admins., btw, do you have any ideas on how to further improve the quality of this page? - RVDDP2501 21:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Not really, I don't have any ideas to improve the quality, I think the article is fine as it it. But I read it again and found a couple of minor things that could be changed.

First off, in "Plot and Setting", you could add that one of the main reasons to send the humanimals to Alden first was that the humans found it to be too risky to go themselves. In the sentence "so they sent a seeding of humanimals with human trainers to the planet to terraform the planet", the second "planet" could be replaced with "it", so it doesn't sound too repetitive. The last sentence in "Plot and Setting" doesn't have a verb.

In Phenix's description, both "Phoenocian" and "phoenix" are given as her species. I guess it would be better to use only one term, preferably the first one since it has been defined by Shawntae for the comic, maybe with a link to the Wikipedia article about phoenixes. And just as a side note, in the Yahoo Groups I've seen two spellings for her species, "Phoenician" and "Phoenocian". I'm not sure if both are correct or only one of them.

Katherine's body possession is described as working through eye contact. From what we've seen in the comics, she can use a gaze to "freeze" her opponent, but has to enter the body and mind of a person to possess him/her. Refer to issue 14 page 20 and issue 15 page 1 for details.

Finally, in Reggy Brighttail's description, his power shouldn't be written capitalized since all powers within the article are written that way.

Well, that's it. By the way, nice article! If I have any new ideas, I'll let you know. LabFox 18:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your reply, hmmm.... I'm not sure how to go about correcting some of the suggestions you have made but there is one thing I do not understand, you mentioned Reggy Brighttail's description and his powers being capitolized, I can't seem to find what you are talking about? - RVDDP2501 00:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, what I meant was that the first letter was capitalized, the rest is okay. If you have any further questions, just ask :) LabFox 13:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah... no problem, I think I fixed the capitol problem you mentioned. Sure, if I have any more questions, I'll let you know, btw, how does the wikifur version of the page look in your opinion? - RVDDP2501 14:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Haven't read the whole page there yet, I'll check it and comment on it at Wikifur. LabFox 21:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, RVDDP2501, didn't you consider any of my suggestions? Or didn't you have time to look into them yet? LabFox 16:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, I haven't had time to perform the suggestions you recommended due to recent time constrains as well as computer problems over the last few months, if you would like to make the changes you have suggested, please by all means make said changes, I trust your judgement on this matter and once again, I'm sorry for being unable to make these changes yet - RVDDP2501 20:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I'll make those changes then. I was just waiting for your okay, I didn't want to make changes without your confirmation since the whole article is your work. LabFox 14:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for both your interest in fixing errors in this article and asking before making said edits, I trust your judgement in terms of improving this article and updating it. Once again, thank you and good luck :) - RVDDP2501 16:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thank you for your confidence :). LabFox 15:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Extinctioner page Deletion discussion

I had hoped that the last time this article was up for deletion, the changes that were made through the suggestions of the admin would have been satisficatory but I see that it has again been nominated, after a number of edits by an outside source made the article large again.

I see there are some issues up for discussion. First viability due to no 'reliable source' being quoted in the article. If this means that an quotation from a publication about the comic is needed, a quoted exert from the Comic Buyer's Guide Article that did a feature on the comic can easily be added if that is truly necessary to make it believable that it is an actual comic book. The book is also currently listed in the latest edition of the CGG 2007 Price guide, with the last priced issue being published by Shanda Fantasy Arts.

If it is not seen as viable due to 'popularity' I'm not sure how I can go about proving that, other than to say the fact that a week ago I received orders for the book from the United Arab Imeret and Germany and that the title is currently being taken under consideration for video game treatment from Odyssey Interactive Ltd. http://www.odysseygames.com/Projects.htm .

If its due to the comic's publishing history, as we know, independent comics sometimes can have a spuratic publishin history (just look at the current publishing rate of Mirage Studio's TMNT). The artist/creator (myself) has been involved in graduate study classes and changes in professional work schedules, which had slowed down production, but has not Stopped production. Currently, the creator is working on a full color graphic novel (Sample: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/57017795/ )to be published by a new company Angry Viking Press http://www.angryvikingpress.com , with a release date in 2008 as well with the continuation of the regular series following. In the meantime, webcomics have been posted to http://www.extinctioners.com to keep readers interested in the meantime while the graphic novel is being worked on with tradepaper back collections of the eariler issues also planned for release in 2008.

I have not attempted to have any dealings with the wikipedia page, because I don't want it to appear to be a self promotion ploy as accused once before. That and I frankly don't have the knowledge of how all this page source text html stuff works. It was said that the article was similar to a wikifur page, but that is probably because the same person created both articles on their own, but would like to note the wikifur page seems to be much more indepth due to it being asked on wikipedia to limit the amount of information on the page.

I'm not sure how in the future the page creator can add information content to the page with it again being brought up for nomination of deletion, but if suggestions could be made I'm sure the creator will comply to those suggestions (Assuming someone doesn't come and spam tamper with the page).

At any rate, images and work for the pages have been given permission to be used.

Shawntae Howard Shawntae Howard 19:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello Shawntae! Posting an excerpt from the Comic Buyer's Guide shouldn't be necessary, it could even be problematic due to copyright issues. But could you post citations for the Comic Buyer's Guide article, the CGG 2007 Price Guide and any other publication where the Extinctioners have been mentioned or discussed? If those articles are available on the internet, links to them would be helpful as well. Just post the citations and links here on the discussion page, and I'll integrate them into the article. --LabFox 20:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikifur Link

I know that there was a large debate about whether links to Wikifur are acceptable or not, and I know that WP:EL says that links to open wikis are normally to be avoided. But in the last deletion discussion it was suggested that a link to Wikifur should be added because the article over there "allows more in-depth coverage of the topic". But since I know that all Wikifur links had been removed before, I wanted to discuss about this topic before adding a link again.

I understand that the old version of the article had too many links to Wikifur, especially in the characters section of the article. But on the other hand, I also think that the Wikifur page has more in-depth information about the comic, so a link would be useful. I would like to add one single link to Wikifur in the external links section. Are there any other opinions about this? --LabFox 11:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiFur has a history of stability and an active body of administrators. There are no particular concerns that I am aware of regarding the Extinctioners articles on WikiFur. Indeed, it is probably the best-developed comic coverage that we have. It contains detail beyond that which a featured article on Wikipedia would cover, so there's no real issue of competition. GreenReaper 01:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, since nobody objected my suggestion, I will add the link. --LabFox 14:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)