Template talk:Expand list

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Template:Expand list is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template. Substantial changes should be proposed here, and made by administrators if the proposal is uncontroversial, or has been discussed and is supported by consensus. Use {{editprotected}} to attract the attention of an administrator in such cases. This template does not have a documentation subpage. If the template page contains categories, interwiki links or usage notes, move these to Template:Expand list/doc. If the template does not require documentation, add |doc=no to this template ({{permprot}}).

For more information on lists in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Lists

This template has survived two trips to WP:TFD, in February 2005 and in July 2005

Contents 1 Redirections 1.1 to "expand list" 1.2 from "incomplete list" 2 Template placement 3 Possible improvements 4 Usage note: Closed lists only 5 Expand Link 6 See also 7 Requested move 7.1 Survey 7.2 Discussion 8 Add interwiki's 9 Update per merged projects 10 Is this a cleanup template? 11 proposal 12 Add interwiki 13 Spacing?

[edit] Redirections

[edit] to "expand list"

Would anyone complain if I redirect this to Template:expand list? --SPUI (talk) 01:27, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've put it on templates for deletion instead. Thryduulf 01:15, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Northeast Airlines also served Fitchburg, Massachusetts with the DC-3...how do I know?...my first flight was on a Northeast Airlines DC-3 from LWM (Lawrence,MA) to LGA (LaGuardia Airport in New York City) with a stop in Fitchburg on the way...I remember that my mother didn't like the extra "up and down."

kflpilot - 2215 on 15 June 2007

[edit] from "incomplete list"

I've redirected {{Incomplete list}} to this template, as both {{expand list}} and {{Stublist}} both redirect here as well. However, I do prefer expand list over listdev, personally. Courtland 00:22, 2005 May 31 (UTC)

[edit] Template placement

See Wikipedia:Template locations for discussion on template placement (article versus talk page). <>Who?¿? 15:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Just a related note ... there is unlikely a clear consensus on which space to place this template in ... article or discussion ... though by inspection it appears that most applications of the template are in the article space. The debate on this particular class of templates is between those who feel that this is a message directly to editors vs. those who feel that the message is directed to both editors and readers. Courtland 23:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Possible improvements

In the dutch language the template has a better look then the current english version. I believe we should have a similair looking template.

<!-- first a whiteline to solve a little bug -->
{| class="toccolours" style="text-align:center; width:100%; font-size:85%; clear:both; margin-top:1em;"

| This list is not complete. You are invited to click on 
'''<span class=plainlinks>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit}} edit]'''</span> to expand this list''.
| width="20" 
| [[Image:Crystal txt.png|20x20px]]
|}

This just looks nicer then the current version. Rmfloris 09:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usage note: Closed lists only

There are lists of clearly enumerable items which ought to be complete. A hypothetical "List of all US Presidents" for example, should be complete, and if it isn't, a tag like this should warn the reader not to rely on it and encourage any editor to complete it. I will refer to these lists as closed lists.

On the other hand List of legal terms or a hypothetical "List of Historical Novels" by their nature can't be expected to be complete, and certainly can't be proved complete at any specific point. This tag should be reserved for closed lists -- the sorts of list that a reader would naturally expect to be complete an even definitive, and warn when they fail of this standard. It should not be used on open-ended lists. Most categories are open-ended lists, and this template should not be used on them. DES 17:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

for open-ended lists, one appropriate template for labelling the lists as such is {{dynamic list}}. Courtland 23:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Expand Link

Hi. I've noticed that the link 'you can help Wikipedia by expanding it' will open the edit page for the entire article. Is there someway this could be changed to open the edit page for that section to make it easier to edit? Just a thought. -- Jatkins 19:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you could subst the template, and then go back and make a second edit adjusting the edit link to point to the appropriate section. -GTBacchus^(talk) 06:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See also

• Template messages: Lists
• "Expand list" talk page → Template_talk:Expand_list
• "Incomplete list" talk page → Template_talk:Incomplete_list
• "Stublist" talk page → Template_talk:Stublist

[edit] Add interwiki's

Could you please add an interwiki link to nl:Sjabloon:Lijstbeg - Ronaldvd 22:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Sherool (talk) 19:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update per merged projects

I've merged Wikipedia:Incomplete lists to Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists (per talkpage, from inactive project to active one). Could someone update this template's link? Thanks. --Quiddity 23:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it make more sense to target Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists#Incomplete_lists? Someone seeing "This list is incomplete" and clicking that link is probably looking for an explanation, not a welcome to a WikiProject. In fact, maybe merging was not quite the right solution... —dgies^t_c 00:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, a section link would work too.

The page was getting outdated, and hadn't seen activity (except reverting vandals) in two years. My mergist leanings are to blame for my boldness, especially where our help pages are concerned! I don't at all object to being reverted though, I can see how that page stands well on its own. Simplicity in any form is fine by me :) --Quiddity 04:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Done ^demon^{[omg plz]} 06:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a cleanup template?

I was diggin' around, trying to find this template, and was surprised not to see it listed here: Category:List cleanup maintenance templates. Would it do any harm to add it to that cat? MrZaius^talk 22:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a slightly better fix: Move it to Category:List expansion request templates

That can be a subcat to both Category:List cleanup maintenance templates and the current Category:List cleanup maintenance templates. This, Template:Inc-lit Template:Inc-sport, and Template:Inc-video all actively call for expansion, makin' em cleanup templates in my book. Any objections? MrZaius^talk 22:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] proposal

{{editprotected}}
Should this template be changed to look more like template Template:Incomplete or Template:Expand to get a result like

This list is incomplete and may require expansion and/or cleanup. Please improve the list, or discuss the issue on the talk page.

Please help improve this list by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion.

--Avala 18:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see some greater input on this change. This template is included in a large number of locations and will impact a great number of pages. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to keep text message same as the current one. Like:

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it

Thanks. Lara_bran 10:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of having both of 'em? They essentially prompt the reader for the exact same sort of input and address an identical problem. What's odd is that the current wording of this template is more apt than that of {{incomplete}}, as only this uses the word incomplete and links to a page that's uniquely relevant to lists. I'd be tempted to simply copy the link over "incomplete" from here to {{incomplete}} and then redirect this there. I can't see any compelling reason to keep both. MrZaius^talk 13:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

This change would be quite a large one; and it could have unforeseen consequences. When editors add this template (currently), they expect a single italicized line of text. This proposal changes this to be a centered, boxed, message with color and more text. On the surface, this change seems like a very bad idea; if an editor wanted a messagebox when they added {{expandlist}}, they would've chosen one instead, God knows there are plenty. This proposal should be brought up on WP:WPR, in my opinion, before any change is made. Cheers. --MZMcBride 21:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that - I was just looking at the text above, not the actual template itself. Executing this edit request would create the situation I described above, with a ridiculous amount of overlap between the two templates, but there are no such issues with the way things currently stand. MrZaius^talk 07:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Declined - Declining the immediate edit based on the noted need for advance discussion. -- JHunterJ 02:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add interwiki

Please add [[la:Formula:Index imperfectus]]. Thanks -- Andrew Dalby 12:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

• Y Done ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Please add [[hr:Predložak:Proširi listu]]. Thanks Andrej Šalov (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spacing?

As used on Doors Open Toronto#Buildings participating in 2008, the template seems to have a significant amount of space above and below the line which seems unnecessary. {{main}} is a template used in similar situations (top of sections); Could we match the spacing of that template? TheHYPO (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The proposed change is to basically a) add a colon (: spacer) to the beginning of the tag text, as well as b) nix the "notice" class from the div, because it's adding space under the tag that is unnecessary (not sure what {{main}}'s other classes do, but if someone does know, perhaps they would be usefull in this template as well. TheHYPO (talk) 06:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)