Talk:Explorer Scouts

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[edit] Scope

Actually, Venturing still goes on today. So i think you have it backwards about Explorer Scouts replacing it. User:68.215.215.200 (moved from article by Gentgeen)

Re-read the article. The article is about the programs in the UK! They recently renamed their Venture Scout program to Explorer Scout. In the US, the BSA replaced Explorer Scouts in 1949 with Explorers, and in 1998 replaced it with Venturing. --Emb021 30 June 2005 18:26 (UTC)

Exactly, Exploring is not specific to the UK. The article should be expanded or the title changed.Rlevse 14:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
That's why I put the merge tag-this article deals specifically and only with UK Exploring, there is a separate BSA one. Chris 16:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My mistake

It is easy to get them both confused. That is why I put the tag in the first place. :D --Admiral Roo June 30, 2005 19:39 (UTC)

[edit] Expanding the Article

I've just started to expand the article with more details about the Explorer Section - what we do, how we're organised, and so on... Horus Kol 17:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you look at the "redlinks" and think whether there will ever be a separate article on them. My own opinion, based on what people in the Scouting Wikiproject are doing for other countries is that there is no need for an article on "Scout District", "Scout Group" and the various advancement awards in Explorers. The first two should be explained in the Scout Association and the last one should be covered in the detail necessary in this article. A good guide is to only split something off if the article is getting too large. --Bduke 22:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough Horus Kol 07:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When is a stub not a stub?

Just out of interest - what is the cut-off for a stub? I would argue that this article is now able to stand on its own. Horus Kol 13:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm never sure either, but I'm sure this article, thanks to your efforts, is an article not a stub now. I liked your image of Stanage. I was brought up fairly near Stanage Edge in the western part of Sheffield. I also see you are connected with Reading University. I was a lecturer there for one year long, long ago. Have you done the right think with copyright on these images? People are sharp to delete images that have not got it right. --Bduke 22:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The Stanage image is my own - and I've put it up under CC ShareAlike licence... the badges - i'm not too sure about... I'm confident that the SA will have no problems (we are given licence to place those images on our own websites and so on), but don't know a) how to confirm that and b) who to inform about it. Horus Kol 09:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unit Website Links

I notice that someone just removed a link to the Louth ESU site, perhaps I should also remove the link to the Reading Explorers site? Horus Kol 08:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Rlevse 10:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

done by Rlevse 10:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Rlevse - d'you think that this article is ready for GA-review yet? Horus Kol 11:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Promise?

Do Explorers take a promise? Mentioning it would make the article more complete. Even lack of a promise is worth mentioning, in my opinion! Kingbird 17:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It's the same as in the Scout Section (UK) [1]. --jergen 17:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen any article about a specific section of Scouting which references the promise - this is a universal aspect of Scouting, after all Horus Kol 23:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Beaver Scout and Cub Section (UK) both include the promise. I still think the article would be improved by a reference to it. If you don't want to write out the promise in full in this article because it's the same as elsewhere, and just reference it, then that fine in my opinion. Kingbird 17:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected, and I also see your point - I have added a paragraph about the Scout Promise and Scout Law with links to the articles for each. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Horus Kol (talk • contribs) 17:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Explorer Belt

Shouldn't this be moved to an separate article? This award is used in many European countries/associations. AFAIK it's the only official award in my association. --jergen 17:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about moving it to another article - but certainly a universal article would be appropriate (much like the Queen's Scout Award). Horus Kol 23:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] US Explorers

What should be done about the fact that there is a section of Explorers in the United States that are under the Learning-For-Life program through the Boy Scouts of America. The Fire Explorers are referenced in the Junior Firefighter [2] article, but are different from Junior Firefighters, as well as Explorers in the UK. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --FiftyOneWicked 21:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

it's addressed right at the top of the article where it informs readers that the term Explorer Scouts should not be confused with Exploring, which was a program of the Boy Scouts of America. Horus Kol 11:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw that, but at the time my rationale was that this article specificially should include Explorers in the U.S.. Upon further review I realize my error in judgement. Thanks anyways.--FiftyOneWicked 15:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

no problem - thanks for taking an interest in the Scouting articles Horus Kol 22:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course I would, I was an Explorer. --FiftyOneWicked 05:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)