Talk:Experiments in the Revival of Organisms

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Sorry, but this film is an obvious fake based around loose facts and it needs a major editing (when I get a chance). It uses basic scientific facts - like real work with a heart-lung machine and then leaps into science fiction - like completely draining the blood of a dog and then re-filling the dog like his vascular system is a simple bottle.

Science is built upon the premise that people both are prone to mistake and capable outright lying (sometimes convincingly) for no apparent reason. Because these “experiments” have not and can not be reproduced by a 3rd party, and any “scientific” notes on the “experiments” are lost, and they defy basic anatomy and the laws of physics, this movie must be regarded as fiction.

When a vascular system is drained of blood, it collapses. As a result it is impossible to re-introduce blood as is shown in these “experiments”. If there is any hope of succeeding as they purport to do, this is one of the many complications that render these “procedures” fiction.

Simply by knowing some scientific possibility and staging a movie around it does not in and of itself replace actual science and actual fact. Thus, though we know building an interstellar space ship is physically possible, we would hardly argue that StarTrek is “fact” or anything close to actual science. This film has no more credibility than any episode of StarTrek (ref. Spock’s Brain).

--Riluve 00:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The alterations you suggest should be fairly easy; you just need to revert some of the changes that were made almost a year ago "to remove bias" (see below). This article was half decent before these changes were made, but I think the reversions should be made by someone who'll not be accused of vandalism by default. [anonymous]

I was the one responsible for the major edits roughly a year ago. They were the result of a large research effort, as the original article sourced almost nothing. The current state of the article was arrived at after not only online fact checking, but also contact with Bryukhonenko's archivists in Russia. But perhaps the most important research came from digging through university libraries - I would urge any editors to do the same, as this experiment and others like it are extensively documented in medical texts on the history of transfusion and transplantation. Far from being lost, details of early transplantation experiments are readily available, and any claim to the contrary demonstrates a lack of actual investigation. That said, I believe the current article reflects a neutral point of view, voicing the valid concerns of those who claim the film is fraudulent, while at the same time detailing those circumstances which can be verified.

--72.144.174.154 06:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] May 25, 2006 Edits

I have edited the article to remove bias and add more information about the experiment. I have moved criticism of the film's veracity from the summary to the new "Fact or Fiction" section, which also includes scientific evidence supporting Bryukhonenko's work. I have added 3 public domain pictures - a still from the film, a patent diagram, and a rare and less glamorous view of the procedure. Lastly, I have expanded the links section from one link to seven.

--24.92.139.189 18:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)