Talk:Exmoor

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Article milestones Date Process Result December 7, 2007 Good article nominee Listed January 21, 2008 Featured article candidate Promoted Current Status: Featured article

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Contents 1 Project Devon 2 External links 3 Good Article Assessment 4 With all due respect (GA review) 5 Congratulations!

[edit] Project Devon

Hello! I'm trying to start up a wikiproject:Devon, to create and improve articles about Devon (Cornwall already has one...) follow this link and add your name if you wish: [1]. Cheers! Totnesmartin 22:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

The following two sites have been repeatedly added to Exmoor and other articles related to Exmoor e.g. Minehead

• www.visit-exmoor.eu
• www.visit-exmoor.info

Repeated posting of these commercial links have already resulted in one user's account being blocked for spamming - 85.70.123.202 (talk · contribs). visit-exmoor.eu is a list links to a number of commercial enterprises on Exmoor such as hotels, restaurants and holiday accommodation - and is very clearly linkspam. visit-exmoor.info contains very similar information buried among some more useful tourist information. As there is already a link to the DMOZ category on Exmoor which contains a number of commercial links, there is no need to have any more such external links within the article itself. Please do not add them to the article, they will be removed. Repeated insertion will be reported an may result in blocking. --Cheesy Mike 17:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Just to say that I completely agree with Mike - this is not a USA v UK issue, these are links that are not appropriate to this article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a web directory - thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 18:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Assessment

This is my assessment of the (revision) in which the article was reviewed. Preceeding edits had succeeded in providing sources for claims marked with the fact tag. Below is my findings:

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   (No edit wars etc.)

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

Further analysis:

• Image used is appropriately captioned and has no copyright violation etc. outstanding on or in it's history. Y
• References are various, well placed (i.e used appropriately and compliant with MOS) and are reliable. Y
• I can find no original research and all soures use the {{cite web}} template. Y
• Hardly any grammar, spelling mistakes.Y
• Only one issue I can bring up:
  • Just a few references are missing Y

But I'm sure you'll be able to find them. Good luck! — Rudget _speak.work 19:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your comments. I've added a few refs for the link between the River Exe and Exmoor names and for the ongoing hunting - if more are needed please let me know.— Rod ^talk 20:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

They have since been Y Done. I am now willing to pass this article. Congratulations! Best, — Rudget _speak.work 21:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] With all due respect (GA review)

With all due respect, I think that this article has been listed as a GA prematurely. I think it's close, but it's not quite there yet with regard to the good writing criteria. I had considered de-listing it, or taking it to WP:GAR, but it's probably easier just to fix the problems. :)

• Two sections are lists Places of interest Yand Cultural referencesY. They should be converted to prose.
• Y DoneThere's inconsistent use of BCE/BC; one system or the other ought to be used consistently throughout the article
• Y DoneSome parts of the text don't seem to make sense: "The resident population of 10,600 people, 208 scheduled ancient monuments, 16 conservation areas and receives 1.4 million visitor days per year."
• Y Done"The Chains and surrounding high ground is the source for rivers ..." sounds strangely vague.
• Y Done"It is possibly a Cougar or Black Leopard which was released sometime in the 1960s or 1970s ..." That's getting on for 50 years ago. How long do cougars/leopards live for?
• Y DoneThere were lots of places where the metric/imperial measurements weren't being used consistently; I think I've found and fixed most of them now, but there may still be others I haven't seen.
• Y Done"Exmoor has 34 miles (55 km) of coastline including the highest sea cliffs in England reaching a height of 1,350 feet (411 m) at Culbone Hill. However, this is more than a mile from the sea ..." How does that work? Sea cliffs that are a mile away from the sea?
• There were and are other issues as well, but I've tried to sort as many of them as I could when I came across them.

Please understand that I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade; I just want this article to be worthy of its GA listing. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have attempted to tackle some of these as indicated above. I will turn the lists to prose asap (give me a few hours), but I don't know what to do about the cougar/leopard - I don't think it exists, but it is strong enough in local folk-law to deserve a mention.— Rod ^talk 08:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Done remaining other requirements. — Rudget _speak.work 11:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There are a couple of other bits and pieces I think:

• Y Done"A restored Victorian water-powered sawmill in the village, which was damaged in the floods of 1992 ..." What village? was it the village or the sawmill that was damaged in the floods?
• Y Done"Exmoor's coastal woodlands include 10 miles (16 km) of cliff between Porlock and Countisbury, where the trees spread right down to the beach in places." I'm not sure if that's saying that the trees reach down to the beach throughout the 10-mile stretch, or just at places in Countisbury.

--Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I've never been to Exmoor, but I'll try my best ro reword it. And most probably reference it. — Rudget _speak.work 12:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully we've now met concerns - thanks to editing from lots of people. Rudget if you get the chance to visit it really is worth it.— Rod ^talk 12:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been to Combe Martin, is that in Exmoor? The hills there are scary! — Rudget _speak.work 13:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Combe Martin is approx 10 miles (16 km) west of Lynton/Lynmouth and just on the westernmost boundary of the park.— Rod ^talk 14:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I'm happy this article is a worthy GA now. Thanks to everyone involved for all the work that's been put in. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I do think the extra "challenges" have improved the article.— Rod ^talk 14:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Congratulations to everyone involved in getting this article from GA to FA so quickly. And to think that that only a few weeks ago I was dubious that it even deserved its GA listing. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 03:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)