Talk:Execution Rocks Light

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I think the name of this article should really be "Execution Rocks Lighthouse", not "Execution Lighthouse". Does anybody have any objections to my moving it? --RoySmith 15:55, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me. are you going to do "Execution Rocks Lighthouse" or "Execution Rocks Lighthouse, New York"? I think either is fine with me and I'm one of two non-anonymous editors who did more than just category, etc.. gren
My inclination would be to leave off the ", New York" part. RoySmith

Hi,

I started this article on this place and all of my life we have called it Execution Lighthouse.

If it's real name is Execution Rocks Lighthouse then that is OK also.

Everyone here in CI will tell you they think it is Execution Lighthouse.

I am trying to find out the name of the tiny Lighthouse just south of Hart Island.

SD

I've always known it as Execution Rocks. I just did a Google search for "Execution Lighthouse" and found 67 hits; "Execution Rocks Lighthouse" got 190. The USCG Light List (about as definitive a source as you can get) calls it "Execution Rocks Light". I'll add something about possible other names to the article. If by "the tiny lighthouse" you mean the steel tower, the light list calls it "Hart Island Light 46" --RoySmith 17:28, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


OK Then what is the real name of Stepping Stones Lighthouse? Stepping Stones Reef Lighthouse? Stepping Stones Rocks Lighthouse? Stepping Stones Shoal Lighthouse?

SD


This is a bit off-topic for the Execution Rocks article, but to the best of my knowledge, it's just "Stepping Stones". The USCG light list calls it "STEPPING STONES LIGHT". --RoySmith 20:49, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] location

The lighthouse is indeed situated in the middle of the most western portion of Long Island Sound . . which is certainly a valid (and most helpful) way to detail its geographical location. The technical location is just as relevant and important in regards to the accuracy of the article. Citing info. sources shouldnt be disregarded if provided (ie.contrib of prior user -This Fine Piece of Water: An Environmental History of Long Island Sound, By Tom Andersen, page.21). There is no real reason for debate aside from individual 'stylistic' differences in wording or the prominance of one location over the other . It seems inserting the city in the infobox is sufficient enough. No need to detail it in the body of the article. (or vice-versa) If desired, an additional ref. source can be found at http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2003/03-March/22-Mar-2003/FBO-00284653.htm (US Coast Guard a soilicitation notice contracting out full site/land/property backgroud searches for 75 US Coast Guard Houses - incl. ' EXECUTION ROCKS LIGHT, NEW ROCHELLE, NY; '). --BronxBEAT (talk) 06:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Orlady when he said, For a lighthouse, the most relevant item of geographic info is the body of water, not the city). And, even if it is located within the borders of New Rochelle, it's logically more associated with New York, since it marks the channel into New York. If you asked 100 random mariners familiar with these waters, "Where is Execution Rocks", I doubt if a single one would say, "In New Rochelle"; it's just not the way people think about these things. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense and i understand your point. My intent is not to prove which desciption is most relevant, but rather, to ensure that relevant data is at least included + available for reference. That is why i left the geographic info. of the body of water as the primary location description in the body of the article. I have researched other lighthouse articles & have seem geographic + municipal loc detail for those situated on mainland sites as well as for those exisiting on rocky outcroppings like Execution Rocks. There are also many people out there who have no concept of geographic or directional descriptions. The inclusion of both loc. desciptions is EASY and would be the most logical decision.  ; > --BronxBEAT (talk) 00:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
It's a very good idea to include all of the relevant geographic information somewhere in the article. However, it's not a good idea to try to do this by making the lead section and the infobox inconsistent with each other. Note that according to Wikipedia guidelines, the lead section of an article is supposed to provide "a short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic." Infoboxes serve a similar purpose. Accordingly, the lead section and the infobox ought to agree with each other, not present seemingly inconsistent versions of what should be the same information. As I said in an edit summary today, "For a lighthouse, the most relevant item of geographic info is the body of water, not the city)." Accordingly, the main point to be conveyed in both the lead and the infobox is where the lighthouse is within Long Island Sound. Thus, the text of the lead section can say "located in the middle of Long Island Sound between Davids' Island in New Rochelle and Sands Point on Long Island", while the infobox gives a more abbreviated version, namely "West end of Long Island Sound."
If the light is within the city limits of New Rochelle, that point could be made in the body of the article. However, if that information is included, make sure it is truly reliably sourced. The fbodaily.com does list the light's location as "New Rochelle," but (particularly considering that the federal government was looking for someone to do a title search on the property, suggesting that they might not have been entirely sure of its legal description) I am not convinced that is a reliable source. --Orlady (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
PS - For what it's worth, the National Park Service factsheet says that the lighthouse is in Nassau County, but that New Rochelle is the nearest city. If it is in Nassau County, it could not be inside the city limits of New Rochelle. --Orlady (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
your explanation makes sense. The lead + info box should be in sync for structural clarity, and location within the sound the better description to focus on. My goal was always to help the article become a more informative source to refer to, hence my desire to note of the the 'city' location spec. vs. dismissing it. Including it in a latter part of the article is a good idea. ((The source i provided is a Coast Guard produced document that refers to 'Exec Rocks Lighthouse, New Rochelle', which seems like a rather reliable source when considering that the lighthouse is operated and controlled by the U.S.C.G.)). Thanks --BronxBEAT (talk) 09:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)