User talk:Evlekis

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[edit] Гласај

Во тек е гласање во врска со статијата за Република Македонија. Можеш да гласаш овде [1]. Поздрав --Dipazi 00:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyustendil

  1. The Macedonian name is largely irrelevant — no part of the population of Kyustendil describes itself as Macedonian, and the town has no greater historical connection to the Republic of Macedonia than any other town in western Bulgaria as far as I know.
  2. I have good knowledge of the writing and transliteration systems of Macedonian, and "Ќустендил" is not your own (i.e. distinct) name, but simply the way the name is transcribed in the Macedonian Cyrillic orthography.
  3. Kyustendil is not even part of the wider Macedonian region, not that it would be a reason to add "Macedonian names" to Bulgarian towns in the region. Just like you don't see the Bulgarian variant in the Skopje (Скопие) or Bitola (Битоля) articles. But it would be fully OK if you added "Ќустендил" to the Names of European cities in different languages article.

These are my reasons. As for the "rv vandalism" explanation, I was referring to the edit made by User:88.80.110.20 which replaced "[[Bulgarian language|Bulgarian]]" with "[[Srebs language|Serbian]]". You've got me wrong, but it's my fault because I didn't say specifically what is the actual vandalism while I reverted you too with a single edit.

You seem to know quite a lot about transliteration systems. There has been a debate at the Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board over what transliteration to use as a standard (currently the names of Macedonia-related articles are a total mess). You should probably join the discussion and make some suggestions! Todor→Bozhinov 15:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about the tone, it was absolutely OK — given the situation, you were right to ask for an explanation. And don't get me wrong, I wouldn't actually mind having the name in Macedonian Cyrillic on the page, but I simply don't think it's that important to have it there. Indeed, Kyustendil is quite close to Gyueshevo-Deve Bair, but mean proximity is generally not enough. Anyway, we seem to have settled it :) By the way, don't hesitate to ask if you need any assistance, help, or you don't understand a particular action of mine. I'm always willing to help or explain! Todor→Bozhinov 20:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thunder and Lightning

Thanks for the edits you did on the Thunder and Lightning page - keep up the good work! Bretonbanquet 18:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The edits you made are fine - I never noticed the Wharton thing! It was a bit confusing at the time if I recall, since his picture wasn't on the sleeve. Wharton was quite upset about that at the time. Bretonbanquet 00:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Evlekis

Hello, I am very interested to talk to you. Do you have MSN Messenger?

[edit] Hrvatska i Ugarska

Pazi, Hrvatska je pre 800 godina ušla u politički savez sa Ugarskom, tako što su Hrvati Ugarskog kralja izabrali za ktalja Hrvatske. Od tada, pa sve do 1918, Hrvatska je postojala kao politička teritorija i Ugarska je upravo preko te Hrvatske imala izlaz na more. Dakle, pogrešno je reći da je to sada Hrvatska a da pre nije bila. PANONIAN (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

A što se tiče Dalmatinske obale, Dalmacija nije pripadala Ugarskom već Austrijskom delu Monarhije, tako da je jedini izlaz Ugarske na more bio taj preko Hrvatske. PANONIAN (talk) 13:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WTF

sorry i don't understand cyrilicBigz 00:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yugoslavia

Hi, when adding "Yugoslavia" to birth place of a person, please be speciffic. There are 5 Yugoslavias:

  1. Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918 - 1941)
  2. Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (1943 - 1946)
  3. Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (1946 - 1963)
  4. Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1963 - 1992)
  5. Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1992 - 2003)

Just to evade confusion... Thanks! --Dijxtra 14:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point! So, from 1918 till 1929 is Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, and from 1929 to 1941 it is Kingdom of Yugoslavia. --Dijxtra 16:35, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Osogovo

It's really a minor thing, but it's spelt with a capital П in Macedonian and a small п in Bulgarian, so we have to reflect that. I think it's OK as it is now, but I wouldn't mind changing it ;) Todor→Bozhinov 11:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Kyustendil was a bit of a different case IMO: here we have a mountain that's on both sides of the border, so we should have both names.
I can imagine how funny Bulgarian possibly sounds to Macedonians, because Macedonian sounds really funny to me :) Very much like Shop. Todor→Bozhinov 16:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Country of Birth

You misunderstood me a bit....I was talking about the modern era of Yugoslavia, aka Yugo after 1945, when the borders were drawn up to today's present borders....yeah, I agree, it helps to know the time period which they were born in, but to me it is very misleading.....especially since Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore, just like the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, yet go to pages of Russians who were born in the Soviet Union, ie Irina Slutskaya, Ilia Kulik, Maria Butyrskaya, Sergei Voronov, all their countries of birth is listed only as Russian, I see no Soviet Union there. And even Wales, which is part of the United Kingdom/Great Britain today has people listed with their country of birth as Wales....people like Catherine Zeta Jones, Rhys Ifans, Michael Sheen. If it absolutely needs to be added, on the Croatian, Bosnian and Herzegovinian, Slovenian, Serbian, etc pages should not list something like Sarajevo, Yugoslavia, it should be something like Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina (then Yugoslavia). Because Bosnia still existed then, but under Yugoslavia, and it exists now. I think that sounds best. --128.195.70.96 02:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MP

Thanks for your contribution to Marco Polo discussion.

Take Care Evergreen Montenegro1 03:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where?

Even now, the user will occasionally visit certain cafés in London which entertain people from the Balkans; and to these same venues, musical acts from the former Yugoslav republics will perform every so often.

:) - Francis Tyers · 17:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I think I may have inadvertently gone to the Greek place in Bayswater before. But I didn't know they did ex-YU nights. - Francis Tyers · 17:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Krashovani

No problem. And, btw: thanks for being such a careful and neutral editor. Wikipedia needs more editors such as yourself. Dahn 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Mulţumesc! I'm far from perfect I accept; I have let myself go a few times over silly issues!! Evlekis 13:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KYTV

Hi again. Just thought you might be interested to see this: Articles for Deletion - Big Fight Special Your comments would be appreciated... Thanks! JamminBen 04:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yasou Evlekis

I am not an admin, any simple user can welcome. However, even if I were, I am not sure I could follow this content dispute, since I can't read the source cited. I am more than willing to help, but I don't know how. I could introduce you to several admins if you wish (not that it would make any difference), but I am sure they'd have the same problem. I suggest you find some English source so that everybody can follow, and from then on, you'll have full support. You may also wish to translate parts of the included source in the articles talk page, so as to back up your claim. Please let me know. NikoSilver 12:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ummm, not sure I understand what you thought. I assume you thought that the article was appearing in some Slavic language in my screen, but that's not the case. I was talking about the articles' source down in the bottom. See this external link which appears in Seka Aleksić#References. That's the one I can't understand! As for admins, believe me, I wouldn't involve anybody, as this is a content dispute (not a behavior issue -at least yet). Normal editors (like me) can help you as well, provided that they understand that your edit is WP:CITEd by a reliable source. If you insist, try a Serbian very WP:NPOV admin that I happen to know. His name is Duja. NikoSilver 16:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seka Aleksic

Haha tacno brate, DJ Bungi nema pojma... Odakle si? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nexm0d (talk • contribs) 18:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Regarding the RFCU

I'm sorry that I dragged you in to that ugly issue; guess I had better kept my mouth shut. I noticed that scope of your edits, your interests, and your apparent location in London to an extent correlate with Celtmist's and Ragusan's (which were obviously not vandals, but they had an odd overlap because they allegedly used the same computer). I was just curious whether you might have to do something with that, but, since I hold a fairly high opinion of your edits, it would have been wiser to keep my (speculative, anyway) observations for myself; I certainly don't want you blocked.

Since none of checkuser admins bothered to respond to the issue or to Pax's and my requests for clarification, and Ragusan/Celtmist didn't protest the block, the case apparently rests for good. Once again, I apologize for any inconvenience that might arise. (You can e-mail me if something ugly happens).

Btw, I recommend that you "enable e-mail" in your preferences, instead of leaving the e-mail address publicly — spam scanners etc. Duja► 08:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your userpage

Hi, about the Albanian translation of your name, it's my experience that most names ending in "-is" in Greek end in "-i" in Albanian, so I think it would sound more natural to change it to Evlëki, Evlëqi, Evleki or Evleqi. -i is a common name ending in Albanian because it is the definite article. Also, if you're interested, in Japanese, it would be エフレキス efurekisu (the crossed out u's [u] are written but not fully pronounced). Unfortunately, Japanese have no "v" or "l" making them render our names correctly difficult ;-) Regards, //Dirak 22:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cyrillic

evlekis you are wrong, I understand it since you never have lived in Kosovo, but say what you have heard from Serbian nationalists. In front of me I have a "isvod" issued in Kosovo in 1982, and I can not see any cyrrillic in it. The headline "Nga libri amzë i të lindurve(albanian)- Iz maticne knjige rodenih (serbian)".

More facts: ICG in 1998 : Beginning in 1991, Kosovars faced massive linguistic discrimination. Here is how Kosovar journalist Behlull Beqaj describes this process:

"The law on the official use of the language and names (27 July 1991) practically cancels the use of language, although the Albanians in Kosovo account for 90 percent of the population. Resolutions concerning names of streets, boulevards, schools and other social and cultural institutions have the same intent. Based upon these resolutions, the former names were changed and the new names from the history, culture and mythology of the Serbs were introduced. All the names of the streets, boulevards, cultural institutions, health institutions, schools and other institutions are officially written in the Serb language and the Cyrillic alphabet."

Wikipedia: Whilst Serbo-Croat was widely accepted (before the Yugoslav Wars), the Cyrillic alphabet was used predominantly in central Serbia and in Montenegro (until the late 1990s).

Therefore Serbian Cyrillic should not be used on Albanian names.

I am not saying that Serbian was not official in Kosovo, but I am saying that the cyrillic letters were not used officially in Kosovo, maybe because Albanians could not read cyrillic. Besides Merry Christmas, even though you celebrate Christmas in January. --Noah30 17:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Re:Croats of Slovenia

Well, there's no short answer to that. As far as I know, a good deal of these Croats fled further inland during the Ottoman invasions and kept their identity (which wasn't very difficult, since there was no organized Slovenia, thus there would have been little encouragement to assimilate). Now, as to the idea about ethnic locals, it's possible, but unlikely as far as I can tell. While I've read of studies that say about a third of Slovenes may be originally Croats, I have never really felt like there's been a great deal of support for their "Croatian-ness" as a whole. I believe Starcević referred to them as Alpine Croats at some point, but other than writings I'm not aware of any great desire to realistically incorporate today's Slovenia into Croatia (compared to other regions).

Another problem is that both Yugoslavia's brought changes in population. For example, native Croats may have fled Slovenia (after World War II?), while Croats from other republics may have migrated there for work. All this is rather speculative though, as I don't know very much on the subject. Good luck with your search :P --Thewanderer 16:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article of Ivana Knezevic

Please, do not remove the "Ivana_missmontenegro.JPG" picture form Ivana Knezevic article, the image "Ivana.JPG" is not available. Stop adding Yugoslavia after "Bar, Montenegro". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.50.0.176 (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] User:Mig11

Hi Evlekis, I read your comments on Mig11's talk page. I am thinking on filing a request for comment on this user's behaviour. It is certainly disruptive, most of her edits are just about removing spellings or diacritics. REgards, Asteriontalk 13:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yakoruda

Oh well, I was actually planning to write the article myself somewhen :) Thanks for starting it — you can count on me on expansion, template addition, categories, etc.

By the way, I noticed you had moved Iskar to Iskăr and I moved it back — indeed, using diacritics is the only way to correctly transliterate Bulgarian (because of the "ъ" and its lack in standard Latin), but the official system we use here uses "a" for both "а" and "ъ". I know it can be confusing and misleading, but that's what we've got, and we have to stick to it :) Personally, I like the diacritic system (ž, š, č, ǎ) most, but I only use it when it's important to have the correct pronunciation marked in English. Todor→Bozhinov 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I added some data to Gradina, you can always use the Bulgarian Wikipedia when you need statistical info about any place in the country, because it has automatically generated stubs on every village :) Todor→Bozhinov 11:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] WP:MoS

See [2], the nationality has to be in there per Wiki guidelines, which makes sense since it would be very confusing for uninformed readers. He definitely considered himself Turkish Armenian, on a side note :) Cheers! Baristarim 17:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Yeah, I noticed I was getting close to breaking that rule, and plus I have to go to sleep soon for work tomorrow. Still, you'd think I'd get a faster response from admins when it's such an obvious case of sockpuppetry from User:Hahahihihoho. Thanks again! —KingIvan 12:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muslims in Greece

Γεια σου Ευλεκή, what are you doing, your edit comment made no sense? All I did was change the transliterations, you had transliterated μειονότη"τα" as meionóti"ka" and you used the Bulgarian "ă" with "y" while that is not proper (you either use "ă" and "j" or "a" and "y", see [3]). The reason I am insisting on using lower case letters in some words is that is how they are officially written by the Greek government, read relevant the external links. You also deleted an unrelated external link I added. I hope this is a misunderstanding. User:LieutenantBoom

Hi again, I know transliterations can be a mess. More so in Greek because you cannot de-transliterate a text if you don't know the language. Furthermore, Greek has no official transliteration system, for example you'll see (in an official context) the letter χ randomly transliterated as "h" or "ch" (sometimes even "kh"). Bulgarian has an official system which has the defect of not distinguishing between а and ъ (both are transliterated as "a", see the link above). User:LieutenantBoom
Ја не знам бугарски језик али разумем мало а пробам да учим српски јер подносим традиционално српско-грчко другарство. User:LieutenantBoom
Ποια είναι η άποψή σου για την ανεξαρτησία του Μαυροβουνίου και του Κοσόβου; Διορθώνεις παρακαλώ και τα λάθη μου στα σερβικά, κάνω πολλά! User:LieutenantBoom
I was asking for your opinion on independence for Montenegro (accomplished) and Kosovo (application pending) together with a request that you point out any errors I make in Serbian. Tell me as well, what do you consider yourself, an ethnic Macedonian, Serb, Englishman, Briton or something else? User:LieutenantBoom
Also, when you are addressing people with Greek names ending in -s, you drop the -s (e.g. Evlekis > Evleki [like in my first message in this section] or Ilias > Ilia), there are a few exceptions to this (which change it to -e or don't change it at all) but they are not many. Consider it like the gospodin > gospodine of Serbian. User:LieutenantBoom

[edit] Please use the + tab when starting a new conversation on talk pages. Thanks.

Please use this tab to start new talk page conversations.

As you may know, when you add new sections to talk pages like you did to create User talk:LieutenantBoom#Editors that don't provide an edit summary tend to look like vandals, it would help if you used the + tab rather than simply editing the last conversation. When I saw you posted in User talk:LieutenantBoom#Looks like a seperate conversation after here, I thought you were replying to me.

Technically, you provided no section header at all. I added "Looks like a seperate conversation after here" for you. Before I did that, my post simply ran into yours. That made both hard to read. If in the future you use the + tab, everyone will thank you. Will (Talk - contribs) 23:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Ladoga

Hi, the transliteration "Ladozhskoye Ozero" is correct because the Russian "e" is translitarated as "ye" after vowels, and "e" after consonants (according to the policy adopted in Wikipedia; in fact, other conventions exist as well). For further details, you may have a look at WP:RUS. Thanks, Goudzovski 10:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Tidying up

Hello Evlekis, thanks for the effort of tidying up at the Milan Lukic article. Unfortunately the article itself is substantially wrong in its present form - Lukic hasn't been sentenced, he's only been indicted. I was going to make a fairly large-scale change which I'd given advance warning of on the Discussion page and planned to implement on 20 January, except I've been too busy. I hope to return to it over the weekend. perhaps if you've got any comments on the new content you'd like to add them, so that I can incorporate any changes you think would be useful. --Opbeith 13:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Milan Lukic

Evlekis, I've made the changes to the Milan Lukic article, plus information extracted from the ICTY, Amnesty International and articles by Ed Vulliamy and Nerma Jelacic. I was pretty tired when I did it, so I'm sure there's plenty that can be improved if you feel like it. I see that you're a diacritic mechanic, I've left lots of scope for intervention there.

Sorry, I tried to put this on your User page by mistake, not awake this morning either. So if it looks as if someone's been messing around there that's why. --Opbeith 09:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Big disagreement about the User page - it's not a "load of junk", it's a lot more interesting than most! And you had the energy to do it, which is more than me.
My knowledge of Lukic is (fortunately) all indirect. I got involved with the article when HanzoHattori quoted the "sentenced" text somewhere else (can't remember where, may have been Visegrad Massacre, I've had a bad month, can't even remember where I put my cup of tea). I knew he'd done a bunk to Latin America and only recently been brought back to the Hague, so hadn't been tried, let alone sentenced. I tried to put together some more extensive source-based info but hopefully someone with more direct knowledge of Lukic's activities will turn up and provide a better informed reworking of the text.
I'm aware of the importance of diacritics in Roman character B/C/S but I haven't got any instinctive feel for them and in any case can't handle the typing - I just cut and paste a character or word, which is a pain. Any remediation work you can manage I'd be grateful. --Opbeith 14:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and do what you like, that's what Wikipedia is about. The material is taken from the ICTY, Amnesty, Guardian etc. This is about Milan Lukic and his actions. I'm sure you can fill in all the reasons why a family man and pillar of the community behaved as he did. --Opbeith 08:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Please avoid personal attacks of this nature Fred Bauder 01:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Your comments on Talk:Racak

As a matter of fact I have been to northern Kosovo and talked to Serbs. Have you? I have also talked to many ex-UCK, although I must admit I have never slapped any of them in the face. Have you? My knowledge comes mostly from first hand experience, which I gain by living in Kosova - I then use WP:RELIABLE SOURCES to back up my changes to this encyclopedia. You can whine all you want about media bias, but as far as wikipedia and its rules are concerned, unless you can back up your claims with supporting evidence, we don't have to listen to you. And no, not all sources are equal. As for the so-called 'massacre' at Klecka, I'm happy to discuss it if you can bring any evidence, but if you'll read my posts in the Racak article, I think you'll see that your ridiculous theories have already been pretty conclusively debunked. However if you've got something new, please let us all know. Anything we can do to make the truth known is worthwhile, just be aware that unsupported nonsense will not be regarded with equal weight as verifiable proof. Davu.leon 20:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Не мора да значи, има и доста западњака који тако мисле и говоре, па говоре и "Косова" Србима у инат :) Nikola 10:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You never answered my question. Have you ever been to Kosova? As for your special secret knowledge which is sure to be 'checkmate', bring it on. If you've got something that can change my mind I want to hear it. Oh, and Nikola, I'm afraid I don't speak Serbian. Pa govorye i Kosova Serbima u inat means nothing to me. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to offer a translation? Davu.leon 12:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice try but no cigar. I'm Irish. And I'm not a peacekeeper, I'm a filmmaker. Davu.leon 19:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, what are your 3 reasons? Davu.leon 19:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyrrillic

You are wrong about Cyrillic in Kosovo. Cyrillic is not used in Kosovo and was not used until 1995, when Milosevic made Cyrillic a part of his nationalistic agenda. Give me an email address and I will try to send to you parts of my "isvod" issued before 1990 and you will understand what I am saying. Besides I googled her and no Serbian website mentioned her anywhere. --Noah30 08:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Communists supressed Cyrillic in entire Yugoslavia, and izvods issued even in Belgrade would be in Latin too. Prior to that however, Cyrillis was used in Kosovo. By the way, in some places at one point of time Cyrillic was used to write Albanian. Nikola 10:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please use english

I noticed that you have posted comments on an article or user discussion page in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you are addressing your comments. This is because comments should be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. —Psychonaut 13:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I am happy with your solution so far. Have a nice week and I am glad we found a solution --Noah30 20:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgarians

Hi! If you're talking about the Croats infobox, I see only links to countries there. The {{Croats}} template has links like Croats of Slovenia and Croats of Slovakia, but we also have {{Bulgarians}} with similar links (however not red ones — when I write a new relevant article, I would add it to the template).

Perhaps you mean writing a short summary section about the Bulgarians abroad in the Bulgarians article? That would be quite useful, although "Population" currently serves that function too, at least to some extent. Anyway, I wouldn't object to anything you do with the article, just be bold and don't hesitate to improve the article as much as you can! :) Todor→Bozhinov 21:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, you can feel totally assured that your nickname is written Евлекис in Bulgarian too :) Also, not sure but perhaps in Polish it would be Ewlekis? Todor→Bozhinov 21:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Yep, it seems like a good idea to have some more info about Bulgarians in each country, if not a separate article about the more prominent Bulgarian communities. The links I was talking about are these in {{Bulgarians}}: Western Outlands, Banat Bulgarians, Bessarbian Bulgarians, Bulgarian Americans and Bulgarians in Hungary; these are all articles of that kind that we have for the time being. Todor→Bozhinov 08:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From Austria-Hungary to the first Yugoslav Kingdom

So much text to read... :-) I got no idea how to classify place of birth, in book on People's Hero of Yugoslavia they only named existing republics without reference to country to which it belonged at the time. I guess history is written by winners so A-H ended in 1918, Versailles was only technicality since new borders were mostly drawn by then, NDH was never recognized outside Axis bloc etc. --Ivan Bajlo 14:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

Hello again. The tanslation was from the following page: [4]. I think the gist of it is: Nephew of the late Berisha confirmed to "Vijesti" that his uncle was supposed to witness against Haradinaj. Kujtim never complained because of the Hague. The young man confirmed to Vijesti that his uncle was a witness in the case of Haradinaj, but he also stated that Berisha never complained that he had any problems because of that. They were hit with "Mercedes 190" driven by Aleksandar Ristovic (26) who is charged by the Police for serious endangering of security in traffic. Ristovic will remain under custody for 30 days as determined by Judge Dujovic from Podgorica Court of Appeals. A source from Police told us that during the investigation, it has been confirmed that at the moment of accident Ristovic was drunk – driving at a very high speed . Ristovic tried to defend himself by saying that he lost control over the vehicle as a result of lights from the other direction that blinded him. However it would be good to have an independent translation, just in the interest of fairness. Davu.leon 16:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Latinic"

What is your objection to the redirect? Is it merely procedural? If you want to discuss this, let's discuss it. Why do you object?--Methodius 20:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :) --Methodius 09:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone else minds. I'll change it back now...--Methodius 19:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eurovision

Faddy is of Scotish origin [5] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CrnaGora (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

The man was born in Kotor in Montenegro and was raised in Montenegro. It says it on that external link I gave you. --CG 19:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scotsman

I got the info from CrnaGora, who says it's from his own website. --PaxEquilibrium 19:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rusinski

Odakle ti podatak da se rusinski jezik u Vojvodini piše i latinicom? Koliko ja znam, oni pišu isključivo ćirilicom. PANONIAN (talk) 17:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Piši na kom jeziku želiš, a pošto ja mnogo brže sastavljam rečenice na srpskom nego na engleskom (a nemam baš preterano vremena na bacanje), ja ću pisati kao i dosad. Što se tiče transliteracije rusinskog na latinicu, ja nikad nisam video rusinski tekst na latinici. Da li si ti siguran da rusinska transliteracija postoji, i ako postoji, da li si ti u članku koristio slova baš iz te rusinske transliteracije ili iz srpske latinice? PANONIAN (talk) 22:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dado Pršo

nema problema brate, ti samo uživaj. Balkantropolis 05:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Što da radim! Kasno je bilo sinoć i odlazio sam. Izvini! Balkantropolis 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if there is a coincidence that you mentioned a specific range of IP addresses, and this. Exactly same change, but note the address begins with 195.29.*.*. Fun, huh? Anyway, I've got it watchlisted also. That is possibly the best I think you can ask for, that other people watch also. Shenme 22:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply concerning Yu

I understand. I am not offended if it states Yugoslavia, however, it may cause confusion. By placing (i.e. "Bosanska Dubica, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Yugoslavia), one might think that Yugoslavia still exists. That is why I think it needs to be "then Yugoslavia but now is Bosnia", etc. (or something similar). Might I say, I have nothing against Yugo. It is only for technical purposes that I say I from BiH. Most people, at least in the US, have no clue what Yugoslavia was. Thank you, Vseferović 16:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I have defended Tito many times and even been attacked by "facists" claiming he was steered our contury in the wrong direction. I'll put it this way: I support Yugoslavia (SFRJ) and will never be against it. I also do support BiH since one has to have a "homeland". I do not know if you have seen this video, but it was made by Slovenia. Kind of hard to find true Slovens roaming around supporting Tito, although they did like Yugoslavia for the most part. They had a nice economy selling throughout Yugo such as Gorenje, etc. Going on tangent, see this video/documentary: Tito. My good friend Denis from www.yugomix.com was able to get it from the author and she allowed him to put it on Youtube. Vseferović 21:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Z + y

In fact, the name of the elected French president would be Sárközy in Hungarian.

Zy is not a combination in Hungarian. Sár means "mud", "köz" means something inbetween, thus Sárköz may be the name of a region which used to have mud on it. Y is a variation of i, a suffix that means someone comes from a certain city, town, country or region, like "er" in "New Yorker." It doesn't affect the preceding sound (of course, it may be part of another grapheme, like ny, ty, gy, but it's a different thing), it's just independent. This is the reason pronunciation guides don't mention it.

"Medgyessy" as a name comes from the city of Medgyes, today Mediaş, Romania. The "s" is doubled for some reason (this name also exists in the form Medgyesi, though) and "y" means that his ancestors originally may have come from this city.

There are lots of similar historical names, like Rákóczi (from Rákóc, today Rakovec), Thököly (from Tököl), Hunyadi (from Hunyad, today Hunedoara County), Bocskay (from Bocska) etc. At least three members of the current Hungarian government have a similar name, József Petrétei, Miklós Persányi and György Szilvásy (cf. Petréte, Persány, Szilvás). Adam78 14:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


in Hungarian do you still pronounce the final 'y' as an 'i' or can you ignore it as in Sárköz?

We never ignore it, as far as I know. (What we often ignore is the letter "h" in several proper names, eg. "Thököly" is pronounced like [tököli], "Vargha" is [varga] etc.) You might be interested in the list of archaic letter combinations in Hungarian.

And if the preceding letter does happen to be l, g, n or t, is it simply something which one has to learn, or do they automaticly assimilate?

No, they don't assimilate. "Y" is rare as a separate letter in Hungarian but when it occurs, it behaves like an "i" or sometimes a "j". One has to learn which name is to be pronounced which, but the most common ones are used in street names throughout the country so it's not the pronunciation that causes problems, but the written form.

  • LY: Thököly is a good example for [li] (see above), while e.g. Kodály is pronounced [kodáj]. It's not widely known that the names of Jékely, Moholy-Nagy and Konkoly-Thege are also pronounced with [li] at the end because it's not too common.
  • TY and GY: If a name ends in [ti] in pronounciation, it's either written as -ti or thy – I can't recall any ty pronounced like [ti]. The case is similar for [gi]: it's usually written either as gi or ghy, so the silent "h" may separate the letters.
  • NY: [ni] is normally written ni and [nyi] as [nyi], but ny sometimes refers to [nyi], such as in the absolutely exceptional name of Batthyány's, being pronounced [battyányi].

It's equally difficult to predict how the "y" is pronounced if it's followed by a vowel (like Fáy, Bay, Vay, Pray): whether [i] (as a separate syllable) or [j] (along with the preceding syllable) or sometimes even [ji]... Adam78 19:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I didn't mean to imply that the name of President Sarkozy should be pronounced in the traditional Hungarian way. In Hungary, the rule is that everyone's name should be pronounced as their family traditionally pronounces it (just like Roosevelt can be pronounced in two ways, depending on which person you mean). So I'm not sure anyone should correct it to the original Hungarian one but the basis should be how he pronounces it himself.

And thanks for your offer for help. :) Adam78 20:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: SPS

Well, Nationalism isn't quite a political ideology for the template - and in the end, the party at some cases only used nationalism (and not by itself ideologically, like in SRS's case). Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 20:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to keep an eye.
Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 10:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Just a question

I believe he is Scottish only from his father's side, though I haven't found out any proof of that. --CrnaGora 19:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Answer

Ja nisam administrator, ali User:Duja jeste, pa se obrati njemu ako imaš neki problem. PANONIAN 10:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A team's squad

Hi, I have a question and I thought you could help. I have a problem with editing a team's squad (the one that appears at the end of a player's wikipage. For example, if you go see Ognjen Koroman and you scroll down completely, you see a box with a red titlebar intitled FK Crvena Zvezda - Current squad, but that box does not have the same players as in the Red Star Belgrade wikipage. I have tried to edit that but I was unable to. There are some players in that box that left the club and some new ones joined, it needs a refreshment. Please help. Thanks. boris4c 20:48, 21 July 2007 (CET)

[edit] Rugova details

Hey Evlekis. I'm guessing you've noted the place of death as S&M because that was the name of the country at the time of his death? Makes sense, if so. Just checking. DSuser 09:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] поздрав -Γεια σου

Thank you for your reply. The country is geographically defined by the ISO 3166 (alpha-2) and the FIPS 10-4 codes, mentioned in the Mk (disambiguation) as "the ISO 3166 or for the FIPS PUB 10-4 territory code Republic of Macedonia". See also [6], [7]. As for Marija Šerifović, I would rather say that the quote has as much to do with herself as with the Eurovision contest itself but I'm not really bothered. I really liked her performance and song. We vote for it from our part of the woods (BTW I liked the Makedonska entry too and this is not a cheap attempt to flattery). For the whole FYROM/ROM name convention thing, there is a quite nice 'Manual of Style' guideline here WP:MOSMAC. Regards, Pozdrav 16:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Croatia

Thanks for your comment. I like frankness, especially in Wikipedia, which so often promotes hypocrisy. Please don't take my edits personally. I wasn't attacking you, but a train of thought that I consider harmful. Justifications of murder are revolting, especially when they have no encyclopedic relevance; it reminds me of another case: in the Stepinac article, someone (a Croat, by the way) wrote that the people "spontaneously murdered" Catholic priests in 1945. Awful stuff. And there were so many disputes about those numbers (Bleiburg, Jasenovac etc.) that I get pretty jumpy when I see them looming on the horizon of yet another article. I believe my edits were justified, but I admit my edit summaries were a bit aggressive. No hard feelings? --Zmaj 21:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the "so-called" issue, you saw right. I've noticed that many people don't realize that so-called and takozvani, its Croatian and Serbian counterpart, are actually false pairs. Wanting to say takozvani ("someone calls it so"), they say so-called ("doubtful or suspect") and then complain when someone changes it. Anyway, I'm glad I've met a reasonable man. Keep up the good work! --Zmaj 08:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
One more thing: you copied a part about Yugoslavs from the respective article to Demographics of Croatia. When I noticed that, I removed it from both articles. In fact, it's just a conjecture i.e. original research. Obviously, Yugoslavs could have been (and were) any nation from Yugoslavia. There are a dozen possible reasons why the number of Serbs dropped in 1991, IMHO the most plausible being that they left for Serbia because they didn't want to live in an independent Croatia (I personally know of such cases). And, to add a political opinion, I believe that the deleted paragraph was intended to falsely inflate the percentage of Serbs in Croatia to give more legitimacy to their claims in the 1990s. I wouldn't be going political with you if I didn't read your user page. It was funny: I started reading your example and thought "OK, A's are Albanians and B's are Serbs... no, wait, it's not right... A's are Serbs and B's are Croats... no, it doesn't fit... Macedonians... Bosniaks... Aaargh!!!" --Zmaj 08:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, when I arrived to the ink thing, I finally realized I was on the wrong track. Your Albanian example really shows how things can turn around in the Balkans. Still, I think we've seen the end of the "action". Now it's time for historians to sort it all out. As for Wikipedia, I'll try to use more references in the future. It's the only way to avoid edit wars. --Zmaj 14:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slavic peoples

Thank you very much (fala, hvala) for your long answer to my post on the talk page of Slavic peoples. It's obvious you're well educated and know this area very well, it was a pleasure to read through your post. JdeJ 12:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey, Ottoman Empire

Never mind. Write that Karađorđe was born in Turkey, Turkish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Osman Empire, whatever. Also apply that to Theodoros Kolokotronis, and others. Write also that Karađorđe was Turkish politician. He spent whole his life... having whose citizenship? Kubura 12:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, you did it. Fair. Kubura 12:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opposing

To be correct, I was not "against the joining to the EU" from the beginning of Croatian independence. But as the time went, I saw that all criterias that EEC/EU had have fallen down (first keeping too exclusivist, and suddenly they let everybody in), and that theirs policy towards "new possible members" is ... segregationist toward new member coutries. Colonialism "in gloves".
Too much involving in the policies of "new" countries, in the meaning - too awful trade and market conditions in legal forms. Small poor countries had to keep on life the overgrown industries of "old" members, and to "willingly" give up on their industries. Nobody asks where 'll they get the money.
Even with the old members - when Portugal crossed budget deficit limit, he payed big fees. But, when it was case with France... nothing?
So, why should we give our sovereignty to such union?
Things are worse, when I saw their non-reacting to revisionism and pro-fascism of Italian highest governing bodies. Instead of condemning, serious punishments... the ministers said nothing??
In fact, good old Margaret Thatcher said few things nicely about EU in her book.
At last, I don't want my country to be somebody's backyard for keeping garbage, nor somebodies social service to keep unwanted citizens and refugees.
I'd rather be poor class member, with regular everyday meal (made of soup and loaf of bread) and his own home (no matter how uncompleted and not modebewusst), with regular (however small) salary, but safe job and to live peacefully, than to be with 20.000 euros salary, unsafe job, latest fascion decorated home (home, that's not mine, because I have to pay off bubble-sized rent or loan), with hyperhigh equipped car that's not mine etc.(loan...), and living in permanent pressure of loans that I have to pay off to have those hyper-resources, and at last, with foreigners ruling every possible resource of my country, with foreigners that can kick me out of my job anytime (job, because they own the company they bought after political pressures from EU countries for much smaller money than these companies' market value is, and after these companies were sanated with our taxpayers money), house and everything my ancestors left to me (also same story with my family, friends, neighbours).
In short - rather free and safe and poor man on his own with peaceful life, than "richman" (with hectic life) that is in fact somebody elses ownership. Kubura 14:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link on userpage

Hi Evlekis. Apropos of nothing, but someone complained about your user page on WP:AN/I. There doesn't seem to be anything seriously wrong with it, but I'd appreciate it if you remove the pipe link [[Brussels Gay Community|European Union]]. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for offensive views, no matter how you feel about the EU. Many thanks. Neil ム 13:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

And the "Brussels Comminity of Retards" one. Thanks again. Neil ム 16:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
That's great, Evlekis, thank you very much. And Shi'ite has always made me giggle. Neil ム 09:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Serbs living in pre-war Croatia

Oh, I think I need to explain in a less convoluted set of sentences:

  • Complete population of Croatia in 1991
    • 12.2% of the complete population -> Serbs of Croatia
      • 29% of the Croatian Serb population -> Serbs of Krajina
      • (at the same time, 0.122*0.29 = 3.5% of the complete population)

Do you understand now? Please propose a better way to phrase that if you can :) --Joy [shallot] 22:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gospić massacre

There is difference of opinions if I am croatian nationalist which promote Croatia or I only defend articles which speak about my country from serbian wartime propaganda. I do not know very much about Gospić massacre but in article is clear writen that there have been "the list was actually used to target Serb community leaders in a systematic mass killing". This is clear Serbian propaganda because in the end of article it is writen that only 24 of 50 persons killed has been Serbs ?? You will agree that first comment which speaks about killings of Serbs must be changed ? --Rjecina 15:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

This is writen in article :)) Part which speak about that is Prosecutions and convictions and words are: "The charges alleged crimes against humanity, war crimes against the civilian population and violations of international law. 50 victims were cited, of whom 24 were identified as Serbs."--Rjecina 20:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
It is OK --Rjecina 20:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Last little problem in article are words : "the unit rounded up local Serbs in Gospić and the nearby towns.." This need to be changed so that it is clear that there have been many others rounded and killed and not only Serbs. --Rjecina 21:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hej

Nej, han är inte så smart den killen! Paulcicero 09:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Vad har du för källa till den här ändringen? Paulcicero 15:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Event of the day"

(also posted on the talk page of Saborsko massacre)
Evlekis, it's not nice to name war crimes with introductions like "the event of the day was considered as war crime". Think. It sounds too relativizing. Ask someone else for opinion, if you find me "too incited about the matter". We don't need to loose our precious editing time. At last, Wikipedia should be place for fun (but serious), not a war place. Greetings, Kubura 14:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll stay away from editing that article for a few days, to cool off.
Regarding Paul's [8], I give him right to give complaint (regarding "mostly consisted"), but he cannot say "stop making stuff". JNA from 1991 wasn't the one from 1975 (especially when last big generations of Croatian soldiers ended their military obligation in September '91; Slovenians were rare already in 1991).
Regarding his "displaced" - that's not wrong, but not complete. Can you find the word, that encompasses both displacing and killing.
I've used the word "eliminated". Do you know better word?Kubura 13:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Burma/Myanmar

The choice of title in the Burma/Myanmar article has been thoroughly discussed, and I think consensus was to have it at Burma, hence the title it is at now. Furthermore, you should never move pages by copy-paste since it disrupts the page history. If you desire a move back to Myanmar, that needs to be discussed on the talk-page, but since the issue was decided just a few days ago, it is unlikely that you will get support for such a move at this point. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

  • At present, it is not possible to move the article with history to Myanmar without administrator intervention (and I am not one.) I find it highly unlikely that a decision to put it at Burma will be overturned by any admin just days after the decision. Right now, I think you will just need to accept the title of "Burma", and wait a few months before reopening the discussion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Details are found at Help:Moving a page. To summarize it: to move pages along with the history you need to use the "move" tab, which will move the page and history and automatically leave a redirect at the old title. You can only move pages to titles which are empty (have no content or history), or which only contain a redirect to the old title and no other history. In this case, the Myanmar page has a non-trivial history, so moving anything there is not possible without an admin to delete the history at Myanmar. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Improper cut and paste move

Don't be making improper cut and paste moves. Use the move button.

And especially, do not make moves which are contrary to a prior Wikipedia:Requested moves determination, as you did here in moving Amer Delic to Amer Delić contrary to the decision recorded on Talk:Amer Delic.

Have you done any others like that? Gene Nygaard 18:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Gene Nygaard 17:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] national or subnational entities etc

regarding UK or England, SR Macedonia or SFRY issue: thank you very much for your kind proposal, but im afraid I will have to leave the pleasure of adding UK to every English, Scotish, Welsh and Northern Ireland-related article to you. Hopefully soon the notable UK citizens and British passport holders such as Robbie Williams or Paul McCartney or Mick Jagger or David Bowie or Brian Ferry or Robert Plant or Bruce Dickinson and the other couple of thousands will finally and rightfully have the UK sign in their articles along the Union Jack instead of the sub-national Flag of England. Your sacrifice in the name of the objectivity will be highly appreciated. Until then, I will modestly follow the examples coming from the "higher" and more influential English culture and its exponents on Wikipedia by adding sub-national flags. By the way, speaking of historical states, SR Macedonia is one of them too. Thank you very much. Efharisto Parapoli.Zorla 10:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI the guideline on the matter is here: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags)#Use of flags for non-sovereign states and nations. It says sovereign states flags are preferred. ForeignerFromTheEast 17:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ibrahim Rugova

By the way, he's of Serbian (distant) origin if you didn't know. :) --PaxEquilibrium 15:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

"Rugova" is one of the brotherhoods of the Serb clan Klimenti. While all are Christians, that single branch of the Rugovas is completely Muslim, with their forefather adopting Islam during late Ottoman rule. They were colonized in Kosovo during the age of islamization and mostly inhabited Kosovo and are somewhat few in numbers today. --PaxEquilibrium 11:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Hello

My name is ברוקולי and I am fro He.Wikipedia. I translated the article Avtopat to Hebrew. Recently, someone asked in the talkpage if the name Avtopat is just a word equal to motorway, or is it the name of the motorway network in the Republic of Macedonia?

I would appreciate if you could answer me on my talk page here at En.wikipedia.

best regards,

תחי מדינת ישראל (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 1998-present persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo

1. well I don't think all of the crimes were done by KLA alone. Today, it exists no more. Also, I believe many of the crimes were perpetrated by ad hoc armed Albanians not aligned with KLA after the war.

2. "But the KLA have employed Serbs and non-Albanians; this means that as an organisation, they are not totally hostile to the nationality itself. Serbs would be able to live and contribute to an Albanian-run Kosovo"... The KLA is an organisation, its victims are simply people opposed to the goals of the organisation. Well how do you then see the massacre of two children and other attacks. Civilians were attacked, just for being Serb and not because of being hostile to the KLA agenda.

Those are the two issues that (for now) have to be addressed. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard for Serb employees in the UCK. So two boys killed while swimming were killed not because of being Serb.. Maybe they were storing weapons on the bottom of the lake for the Car Lazar Guard?...please explain your claims.. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Can the blowing up of 12 civilians also be justified? --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
of course I don't like it (when it is said that Serbs killed people just for being Muslim or Albanian) but I certainly cannot rule out that it happened on some occasions. If I think that, I can only be sure that such things happened on the Albanian and Muslim side (and with a bloodier history too). The thing you said regarding the isolated incidents only supports my previous point regarding ad hoc Albanian militiamen: hatred-incited attacks by non-KLA armed Albanians on civilians. As for the Podujevo bus bombing, my belief is that such an order came from the high (probably UCPMB) as such an attack was very well planned and prepared. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 18:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paintings

No worries Evlekis, I realised straight away it was a good faith edit, and to be honest it was someting that confused me too at one point. I was going to drop you a note but unfortunately got distracted. Ceoil (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dialect continuum

You left a note on my user page asking for clarification about my request for a citation on the dialect continuum page. The text in question reads "However, the two languages [Istro-Romanian and Dalmation] are only distantly related, and it doesn't appear that a single dialect continuum existed." I know nothing about the languages in question, but it seems that the statement here asserts a truth without providing any evidence, and thus has the potential to be challenged (which is the criterion for requiring a citation). I think a citation could strengthen this portion of the article. Thanks for your work! Jpo (talk) 03:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Hi,

Do you have any clue what is this? [9]

Thanks, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 20:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

maybe some clues here: http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Sanxhaku_Tregu_i_Ri --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Katie Melua

Could you, please, read my comments here: [10]. If you want to add that it was then part of USSR, that's definitively fine. But putting Georgian SSR is the problem. Please, note the parallels I drew. I'm not asking you to follow any precedents. Just think logically for this case: Georgia existed before Georgian SSR, during, and after. The change in political system, also even independence/dependence, does not change the country in which a person is born. :Dc76\talk 16:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo

Please use informative edit summaries. I said the other day I'd block people who didn't. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Kosovo#Warning: Uncooperative editing. Unfortunately that section seems in the meantime to have been buried under so much new talk people no longer see it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd still prefer it if every edit had a summary, and an informative one, one that doesn't just mention some accompanying thought but actually describes what you're doing, so that people get an idea what the edit is about even without looking at the actual diff. The editing on that article is so fast-paced I'm certainly not the only person who finds it difficult to follow. Having to look at every single diff to find out what other editors have been up to is a strain. BTW, I notice you have a rather low edit summary usage on other pages too, might be something you might consider to improve the overall cooperative impression of your editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Hi, thanks for your message. I removed the section because it appeared to be original research. Your rewrite seems useful and quite informative, but some references are needed, a google book search may be useful. And you have removed some unsourced information, it is good. Can you please provide some name of books in the article particularly on the topic. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hashim Thaci reverts

Hey, that's cool that you're into the whole linguistic propriety thing, but in the future instead of reverting a series of unconnected edits on the basis of one objection, how about instead you justify each revert separately. It's a bit more constructive, which should be the point, after all.Ossicle (talk) 01:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "chauvanism"

With the "croato-serb" comment I was actually kinda' joking about the nineteenth century dispute over what to call the language, after they finally agreed to call it one thing instead of two, kinda' to point out the irony in insisting so vociferously in a "Serbo-croat" ANYTHING. Yes, I am familiar with the turgid history of the Balkans, and with the generalized interaction between political powers and the languages of the people over whom power is exercised - e.g. one wins and the other loses. But: First, I'm unsure why you think history (as opposed to, say, utility) ought to have some overriding value in determining the content of WP: the point is to reach consensus, not to be "right." My concern as editor is to find that version of the text closest to "reliable sources" which also is the most stable over time, not that which is the most "factually correct." The entire premise (as reflected in the structure) of WP is that former ought determine the latter, and eventually, inevitably will. Second, I'm kinda' concerned that you don't see the chauvinism in insisting that nations (people, etc. - in this case Kosovars) use the language (naming conventions) of those people (e.g. Serbs) against whom they struggle to become free. (And, yes, given we are talking about Kosovo, I say "free" with an appropriate amount of cynicism.) Just as something to think about... Ossicle (talk) 08:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

...Been meaning to get back to you about the friggin' novel you left over at my talk page. In short...yeah:
I'm somewhat American, and frankly to me entire Balkan region is just an incredibly noisy collection of postage stamp-sized countries whose citizens seem much too eager to reduce one another to mincemeat. But I take some small amount of pride in bothering to know whereof I speak: I do have an appropriate amount of cynicism about the various politics of nationality, I have a fair understanding of the interplay between "great powers" and Balkan powers, and I have a far better command of Balkan history than 'most any other 'murican hayseed. In any case, I certainly know very well the ability of brute force, intelligently applied to alter things like custom, language, and "nationality:" these are all tragically fragile and malleable. And Balkan history is a farcical, though entirely banal, demonstration of the terrifying things people will do in their service.
The "Croato-serb" comment wouldn't have made any sense had I not already been familiar with pan-Slavism. That's the entire irony: possessed of an almost comical motivation to find common ground - that putative deeply shared Slav national/racial heritage - the Serb and Croat intellectuals couldn't even agree on a NAME. ...and then they justified killing one another on and off for the better part of a century.
Anyway, I realized slightly after I made the comment that the term "chauvinism" probably carries far more serious connotations (e.g. less formal) other places in the world than it does in post-1960's-identity-politics America - the word here is applied in the somewhat reduced contexts of feminism and gay rights, not in terms of actual, you know, genocide or nationalistic wars.
By the way, I stand by the "chauvinism" comment, but only because of TONE. I mean, really, you declare "the matter is closed" in the same breath as you say "These individuals' parents consciously chose to give birth to these people in a country where one language was official, and where they raised them in the same country, and where even in cases where one is a separatist, he gambled living out his entire life in a country where the status would not change." You have essentially just justified the fact that the "oppressors'" language has to be used on the "oppressed" (yes, scare quotes serve a damn good purpose some times) on some putative decision their parents made and they uh... accepted by not giving up everything they had ever known? Wait...really? You (really) think people chose which children to have, where, and what language they should speak? Further, that those children ought to be accountable to their parents decisions? It just seems, um, a bit extreme. I'm sure that's an unfair characterization, but it's nonetheless the one suggested by your TONE.
No, before you write another novella on my talk page, I don't actually think you are a "chauvinist," but you do sound "chauvinistic." Right-o?
BTW, just as a guide to what level of audience to direct your replies to: I have a MA in Philosophy from the University of Chicago. My main areas of study have been great books (my BA), contemporary pragmatism, legal formalism, and human rights. And, yes, if those seem conspicuously disjunctive, well...welcome to my nightmare.Ossicle (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] help a brother out?

Hey, you and I might disagree with regard to tone, but we seem to share a concern for historical accuracy. would you mind contributing a line to the discussion in the Thaçi discussion about what to call his birthplace? Either way, thanks, Ossicle (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I was talking about the section on the talk page called "Validity, Standardization, Reliability." The dispute is essentially whether to call Thaçi's birthplace "Srbica, Kosovo (formerly an autonomous province of Yugoslavia)" or to leave it the way it is: "Srbica, Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija, Socialist Republic of Serbia, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia." I've made my points over there, but I think accuracy and neutrality are both affected by the change. Ossicle (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nikola Zigic

With regards to the naming of the Nikola Zigic article: see the WP:UE: "Use the most commonly used English version of the name of the subject as the title of the article, as you would find it in verifiable reliable sources ..." But what ever is agreed moving pages should be only be done with the move tab. Now that you have moved the page using cut and past you can only move it by placing a request at WP:RM. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 12:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

On that same note, please do not move articles by copying and pasting them because it splits the article's history, which is needed for attribution and is helpful in many other ways. If there is an article that you cannot move yourself using the move link at the top of the page, please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, if there are any other articles that you copied and pasted, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. — Keep in mind that such potentially controvertial renames should be discussed and agreed upon in advance. Best regards, Ev (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

i agree with Ev, please discuss moving articles with other editors next time, thank you. Nemanja Vidic page now doesn't have old history because of your copy/paste. Also, i had to fix one redirect because you didn't check all redirects properly. What's done is done, i suggest leaving it now as it is, it would take some effort to undo copy/paste, requesting proper moving of the article and so on....Please take this in notice before moving more articles ending with č or ć. Cheers...--MitsuFreak (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The use of diacritics

Hello Evlekis. Since your comment was about the use of diacritics in general, and not about Priština in particular, I'm replying here.

On the use of diacritics there is no agreement yet among Wikipedia editors, and thus no clearly established policy or guidelines, with the issue being decided on a case by case basis.

  • Some editors think that diacritics should never be used, because what some see as a "standard English alphabet" doesn't have them, and because they cause some technical difficulties when doing web searches.
  • Others see diacritics as just another case where the core criterion of common English usage applies: diacritics should be used only if they constitute the usual, standard spelling in English-language publications. — It's the principle of least astonishment.
  • And yet others (like me) think that, given the technical limitations of a so-called "standard English alphabet" that doesn't have them, the use of diacritics by a minority of higher quality English-language publications is enough to justify it's use in Wikipedia as "a more perfectionist and educative way to display the name" (just as Britannica and the National Geographic Magazine do in the case of Priština).
  • Others prefer to use diacritics always, irrespective of English usage; with some people appearing to go as far as claiming that the forms with diacritics represent the "true names" of persons and places :-)

As you can see, the issue is not clear-cut, and there's often more than one good editorial choice. In balance, from what I have seen so far, the continued existence of diacritics on the English-language Wikipedia appears to be very much assured :-) They are not used in all cases, but tend to be adopted quite often. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 19:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

again i agree, see my message above (Nikola Zigic paragraph)-----MitsuFreak (talk) 19:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Evlekis. Thank you for the kind words; and yes, of course I have seen you around here :-) In fact, when checking article histories, I often use your latest versions for making comparisons with the current ones.

On the issue of diacritics I understand your points, and agree with most of them. The so-called "diacritic-less standard English alphabet" is actually the basic Latin alphabet, for which diacritics were created. The use or not of diacritics in English-language publications depends more on technical issues, expediency, convenience and interest or care for such details than on a supposed "diacritic-less nature of the English alphabet". The situation is the same in my native Spanish :-)

However, because for X reasons some household names & words are commonly printed without diacritics, even in higher quality publications, those "simplified" diacritic-less forms become the norm and the mental image a reader is expecting to find in a text. Therefore, reflecting this English usage and following the principle of least astonishment, I think that it's the form without diacritics the one that the English Wikipedia should use in such cases. — After all, we aim at merely being like other high quality English-language publications. Our objective is most definitely not to promote or advocate for the adoption of diacritics in those cases in which even high quality English-language publications don't use them.

Although I usually argue for the use of diacritics, there are some cases in which I prefer to stick to the "simplified" forms. For me, the decisive factor is the form used by high quality English-language publications from the UK, Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia & NZ.

As far as I know, there's currently no centralized discussion on this issue. I will inform you if I ever come across one :-) For what it's worth, there are older discussions at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)/Archive 3#Proposal and straw poll regarding place names with diacritical marks (April 2005 - November 2005) and at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics) and its talk page (January 2006 to April 2007).

On the other hand, you may want to check the current discussion at Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence‎#Pristina/Prishtina and keep an eye on the the public watchlist of the Kosovo WikiProject, to be aware of future similar cases. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 21:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Following your request, I bring to your attention the current discussion on the use of diacritics taking place at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Tennis (permanent link). Have a nice start of the week :-) Best regards, Ev (talk) 12:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diacritics

Evlekis, I've seen some of your comments regarding use of diacritics in Latin-based names. I fully support your position, and find this business of stripping diacritics very upsetting. This is going to be a creeping process unless WP:UE is changed. If there is a discussion or a debate on this, would you please drop me a note? GregorB (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

As for our first subject: there's User:Iricigor/UE, a draft proposal for WP:UE, with some comments of mine on the talk page - all rather unofficial for the time being. But sooner or later it's going to become official, so I guess one should prepare...
As for our second subject... :) You have a sharp eye, and I guess so do I, as I noticed your edit to Bruno Orešar...
My last edit was merely attempting to preempt edit warring caused by fellow Croatian editors who see red when they read "Yugoslavia". (No need to explain further, I'm sure you've had your share of experiences with them...) This is somewhat tricky, because "Croatia" has three meanings: 1) purely geographical, roughly corresponding to today's RoC, 2) SR Croatia - now historical, and 3) RoC, of course. So, when one writes "now Croatia" it indeed seems to imply - without knowing to which Croatia one is referring to - as if this "Croatia" did not exist at the time, as you noted. Generally, infoboxes are easy: I also think that the best thing to do is list the country at the time of birth, and then note the present country. (For e.g. currently or recently active sportspeople, vice versa could also be good - I can't really say.)
The trickiest part is the intro. For Bruno Orešar, I considered "Croatian tennis player who competed for Yugoslavia". However, I imagined a slightly less knowledgeable reader asking himself: "Why's that, did he emigrate from Croatia to Yugoslavia?". What's perhaps worse, this would also imply that he competed for Yugoslavia only, and I was not sure about that; he retired in 1991, so he could have competed under the Croatian flag too, but I couldn't find a reference one way or the other. I considered "Yugoslav tennis player...", but then I couldn't finish the sentence. So I confined myself to putting in the categories (no dilemma there) and hoping that Wikipedia will ultimately provide a better solution. Which it did, actually... Still, "Croat descent" somehow sounds to me as if Orešar was an ethnic minority, like an ethnic Croat born in e.g. Italy or Serbia. It's very difficult to write it so that it's neither ambiguous nor unwieldy. GregorB (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well: I'm dumb, it's official... :) Yes, the Croatian Tennis Association was formed in 1990, but Orešar could not have played for Croatia because Croatia wasn't internationally recognized before January 1992. And there you have it; if anything, this should make it simpler. I think I'd go for "Croatian businessman and former tennis player who competed for Yugoslavia", or something like that - suggestions welcome.

The rest of your writeup made me think... Funny coincidence: in a recent exchange about our new Wikipedia diacritics controversy I said that stripping diacritics was essentially a manifestation of parochialism, the very thing editors from the Balkans are often accused for. And I fully understand why: this unbearable parochialism is precisely the reason why I stay away from Croatian Wikipedia. These "liberators" that you speak of are perhaps the majority there; at the very least, there's hardly anyone to keep them in check. Everything is dragged down. But here the situation is quite different; here they are playing a losing game. And I'm liking it... GregorB (talk) 18:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Gloriya.jpg

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[edit] Another diacritics proposal...

...is at Wikipedia:Use diacritics. GregorB (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

"ωĥö ṝẽâłłγ ṣṭřúģģļèš ťó ŕéáđ ţħïš" - I really like this example... You could write a thousand words and not say it better. Obviously, diacritics can be very expressive! :-) GregorB (talk) 13:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, what can I say... I dislike the policy even more than its its outcome, and the discussion is somewhat disappointing, because everything seems to end with "but this is not English!". Maybe I'm biased here, maybe I'm unduly influenced by the way things are in the Croatian usage: there, either it is Croatized (sometimes rather idiomatically, as "Wien" → "Beč", so Beč is in a sense a Croatian word), or it is not Croatian language at all and is thus rendered as in original. I probably could not pronounce nor spell an Icelandic name if my life depended on it, but somehow I feel that's my problem, not Wikipedia's. OK, I know: English is not Croatian, nor it needs to be.

But this really bothers me: I'm really not much of a prescriptivist, but the guideline that says "do what others do" is not a guideline at all. I must say I'm a bit resigned now, but we'll see. Well, more in the main discussion... GregorB (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)