Talk:Evita (musical)

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Contents 1 Archive 2 WikiProject Musical Theatre - Article Structure 2.1 Historical credentials 2.2 Popular Culture 3 Deleted info 4 Synopsis 5 Song lists 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Pattiluponeevita.jpg 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Mandypatinkinche.jpg 8 Title Roles 9 Succession Boxes

[edit] Archive

I have archived all conversations prior to May 2007. - Dafyd 21:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Musical Theatre - Article Structure

I have edited the article to comply with WP:MT's Article Structure guidelines. Yes, it still need a fair amount of work. For the time being, I haven't found a way to incorporate certain elements (I will, though - don't worry!). Mainly for my own peace of mind, I've copied them here...

[edit] Historical credentials

See also: Che Guevara in popular culture

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'Che as well as Evita symbolize certain naïve, but effective, beliefs: the hope for a better world; a life sacrificed on the altar of the disinherited, the humiliated, the poor of the earth. They are myths which somehow reproduce the image of Christ.'[1]

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The everyman-styled narrator of the musical is identified simply as 'Che' and is based partially upon the historical figure of Che Guevara, a native Argentinian who opposed the Perón regime.

In the original productions of the musical, Che and Evita have a confrontation in the song "Waltz for Eva and Che". There is no evidence to suggest that Che Guevara and Eva Perón actually ever met. The only alleged contact that Guevara ever had with Perón was a letter he claimed to have sent to her charity, requesting a jeep; Guevara claimed that it was never received, and is also said to have joined a Peronist youth organisation in college, though only to gain access to their library.

After leaving Peronist Argentina in the mid-1950s, Guevara moved to Cuba. As Castro's collaborator, he came to occupy a position in Cuba's government arguably analogous to Evita's role in Peronist Argentina: that of spiritual leader. In the song "Waltz for Eva and Che", the character of Evita makes a reference to Guevara's future role in Castro's Cuba: 'So go, if you're able/To somewhere unstable/And stay there/Whip up your hate/In some tottering state/But not here, dear/Is that clear, dear?'^[2]

The lyrics and storyline of the musical are based on Mary Main's biography Evita: The Woman with the Whip, which drew heavily upon the accounts of anti-Peronist Argentines. Shortly after the musical appeared, Nicholas Fraser and Marysa Navarro published a more neutral account of Eva Perón's life, titled Evita: The Real Lives of Eva Perón, in which they claim that many of Main's assertions (which had influenced Rice's lyrics) were false, such as the suggestion that Eva had first gone to Buenos Aires as the mistress of a married musician, Agustín Magaldi. Instead, they wrote, Eva's mother Doña Juana had taken her there whenever she aspired to become a radio actress. Many people suggested that Rice's lyrics disparaged Evita's achievements unnecessarily, particularly her charity work.

[edit] Popular Culture

The episode of The Simpsons ("The President Wore Pearls") has a plot loosely based on the musical, including parodies of songs such as, "Don't cry for me, kids of Springfield," a parody of "Don't Cry for me Argentina." Also at the end they display a disclaimer saying "On the advice of our lawyers, we swear we have never heard of a musical based on the life of Eva Perón".

[edit] Deleted info

A lot of info was deleted from this article today. Can someone explain the deletions, please? -- Ssilvers 01:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, did you mean to put back in the stuff you copied out above? Sorry if I am jumping the gun. -- Ssilvers 01:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I did a copy edit on the section. Hope it helps. -- Ssilvers 14:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Synopsis

The synopsis should not be a bullet-pointed list; it should be a narrative plot summary, mentioning the songs where they occur in the story. See the article structure page at WP:MUSICALS -- Ssilvers 00:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I put the bullet-list in paragraph form; it's just 2 block paragraphs,though, so it needs some work.MarianKroy (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Good job. I streamlined it a little and broke the big paragraphs into more bite-size chunks. Note that plot synopses don't need to say "Bill sings to Annette about...." They can just say "Bill tells Annette about...." Thanks for all the great work. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Song lists

The article should have only one song list. The album's song list should be in a separate article about the album. Any differences between the Broadway song list and subsequent song list should simply be footnoted. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The song list should also note which characters sing each song. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Pattiluponeevita.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mandypatinkinche.jpg

Image:Mandypatinkinche.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title Roles

I don't think this section is necessary. All of the information in it is repetitive, and it is full of non-notable names. Unless someone has a reason to keep it, let's delete it and just mention the actresses in connection with the major productions described above. There are lots of musicals with a dominant female character: Hello, Dolly!, Mame, My Fair Lady, Eileen, Annie, Thoroughly Modern Millie, No, No, Nanette, Peter Pan (LOL), Maid of the Mountains, etc, and none of them need a section like this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Succession Boxes

Do we need all these succession boxes? -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)