Talk:European Union visa lists

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Contents 1 Northern Marianas, Guam, Puerto Rico, and other parts of the U.S. outside the 50 states 2 British territories 3 Australia and the EU (visas) 4 Visa-free travel for EU citizens

[edit] Northern Marianas, Guam, Puerto Rico, and other parts of the U.S. outside the 50 states

People born in Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Guam etc. are U.S. citizens/nationals and have U.S. passports. That is the reason for those territories not being on either list. 87.175.49.35 21:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

That is true, but then so are the people born in the Northern Marianas, so why are the Northern Marianas on the list but not the other territories?72.27.77.144 05:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It's very peculiar that the Northern Marianas is on that Annex I list. There may be some historical explanation for it. However, if somebody is travelling on a United States passport, which indicates they are a United States citizen, it is hard to believe that they would be refused entry to the Schengen Area without a visa, because of residence or birthplace in the Northern Marianas. My own view is that the mention of Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, and US Virgins should be removed because the people there are U.S. Citizens and would travel on U.S. passports. Oh yeah I found this page which says that residents of the Northern Marianas have the choice to become a "national" of the United States but not a U.S. citizen, in which case they could receive a U.S. passport that sets out their status as a national but not a citizen of the United States. Maybe that's what the Annex I reference is talking about? More likely it is just a mistake/historical anomaly. --Mathew5000 (talk) 10:34, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Other territories' natives have been U.S. citizens for so long that they're virtually all U.S. citizens. The Nothern Marianas natives only became U.S. citizens in November 1986, with a unchallenged 9th Circuit court ruling that those born after January 1978 are also U.S. citizens. Sure some could choose to be a "national but not citizen", but a passport only signifies U.S. nationality, not really citizenship. The possible reason CNMI made the EU list is because it runs its own immigration (but not naturalization) system (for now, maybe not much longer). The CNMI does grant its own "residency" but to my knowledge does not issue these people travel documents for international use (unlike U.S. green card holders who can get a Re-entry Permit). But I agree it's only a confusion for the CNMI to even show up in the EU document. HkCaGu (talk) 17:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British territories

People from the Channel Islands and the Isle of Mann cannot live or work in mainland EU without a visa/work permit. Even though they have British passports, they have a special stamp in their passport excluding them from these rights. This is because these islands are outside of the EU. ... Seabhcan 08:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's true, but this article is about visas and whether one needs them to travel (as a temporary visitor), which channel islanders and Manxmen do not need. The right to live and work is a different matter, see Freedom of movement for workers.

BTW, I must get round to filling out the lists for countries which do not need visas for the UK. It has some blatant omissions (Australia, Canada), and somebody took out the USA, which is plain wrong. The reference I found for the UK [1] lists countries which do require a visa, so it is a matter of listing all countries which are not in the referenced list.

Do you have a reference for Ireland? TiffaF 07:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australia and the EU (visas)

Re: "The most notable example here is the United States that does not offer visa-free travel to 14 of the EU members." Australia, strictly speaking, requires visas off everyone who isn't an Australian national (NZ citizens get special visas). However, ETA's are available to citizens of the "richer" EU nations. Citizens of Poland, the Czech Republic, the Slovak Republic, Hungary, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia need full-blown tourist visas to enter Australia. So, the US isn't the only one with uneven reciprocity. See Peter1968 09:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Same with a few other countries. The EU requires visa-free entry for 90 days for all EU citizens, but e.g. South Korea only grants 30 days visa-free for some EU citizens, such as Poles, while other EU citizens, such as Dutch, get 90 days. (Stefan2 12:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Visa-free travel for EU citizens

The section on visa-free travel for EU citizens doesn't tell for how long you can stay in the country without requiring a visa. For example, the Republic of China and Vietnam allow Swedish citizens to stay in the country without a visa for 14 days, while Japan and the Republic of Korea allow Swedish citizens to stay in the country without a visa for as much as 90 days. This is important information!

It is also unclear what "visa-free travel" means: many countries allow visa-free travel in some cases, but not in other cases. For example, Zambia offers visa-free travel for all EU citizens (as tourists) as long as you book a tour to one of the country's national parks prior to entering the country, while all EU citizens would need a visa in all other cases. Does the Zambian case count as "visa-free travel"? (Stefan2 18:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC))