Talk:European Civil War
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The European Civil War, if extended to include the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, should also be extended further to include the Napoleonic Wars. There can be no argument that the French people, on the eve of the Franco-Prussian War, were itching for a fight and the chance to complete the conquest of Prussia began by Napoleon 60 years earlier. The combatants in the Napoleonic Wars (France and allies vs. Germany and allies) closely resembles those of all the later conflicts from 1870 onwards. And, as is well known, the French people themselves viewed the 1870 conflict as but the culmination of Napoleon's dreams. Therefore, the European Civil War = 1800 - 1945. AND, this explains the ultimate origin of the conflict: the REPUBLICAN POPULIST faction, provoked by the American Revolution, spread to France by returning soldiers, and which flowered in the French Revolution under Napoleon... versus the Christian Monarchist Ancien Regimes that represented the "European Old Guard". The Euro. Civil War therefore is properly 1789 - 1945. Ultimately, the populist democratic/republican faction of the French Revolution and Napoleon defeated the conservative European "Old Guard", whose last gasp was breathed in Germany under Hitler. All of this really should be no argument. For example, the Italian Communist Partisans in Italy during WWII were called the "Garibaldi Brigades" (in part). Garibaldi was a famous Populist Republican from the mid 19th century, even BEFORE the Franco-Prussian War (!). And Garibaldi, in turn, lauded Napoleon's ideals... etc... thus can we connect all the European conflicts from 1789 - 1945.
The following ignorance should be ignored if not removed from this page, as it clearly is not intended to facilitate honest discussion. --Todeswalzer 19:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
European Civil War... Commies win... EU formed as Union of European Socialist States... Europe exterminated... lands repopulated with 3rd World Immigrants... Communist agenda achieved, liquidation of White Europeans no European nation has a positive indigenous White European birth rate FACT Commies don't like Euros If you're a Euro, or of European heritage, you shouldn't like Commies
Removed this added line: "It is therefore also impossible to blame an international conflict on a single group, entity or a nation."
Not sure this logically follows from the sentence it followed (or is even true). Niall Ferguson and many many others have attempted to argue that the First World War was entirely Germany's fault and down to internal German plolitical pressures rather than external or international ones. So, even if you disagree with their argument, I'm not sure it's possible to use the European Civil War as a contcept to dismiss it entirely. 86.134.163.149 13:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- I've put the word "state" in quotation marks in the section arguing in favour of the case that the conflicts of 1870-1945 were in fact a "European civil war". This is because no one -- international law, academics, the EU itself -- seriously considers the EU to be a state in the traditional sense of the word and the term is only used because no other suitable one exists. --Todeswalzer 19:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
