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[edit] Should there be mentions

Of the allegations of homo/bisexuality levelled at Aarseth by, among others, Varg Vikernes? I mean, Vikernes had no reason to like Aarseth, but unless it's demonstratably been proven false, putting it up might be of interest... Just saying his death was surrounded by rumours, is that enough? --Edward Wakelin 6 July 2005 22:05 (UTC)

Well, the Norwegian news media sensationalized Aarseth's murder because he was a member of the "heathen" and "occult" black metal community. Probably-bogus theories of 'inner circle' power struggles were common in stories about the murder. The homosexuality allegations are likely of the same stock, ie bogus claims meant to further demonize a controversial figure. While it hasn't been demonstrably proven false, there is also no proof for it. Vikernes obviously hated Aarseth with a passion (he did murder the guy :o), and Vikernes is a known believer in aryan supremecism, a worldview that often despises homosexuality as well, so I wouldn't put it past him to make things up to justify his murder to his peers in the black metal/national socialist community. I think a mention of the crazy allegations would serve this article better than sections outlining specific ones. The allegations themselves are not that important, IMO. --Styrbjorn 7 July 2005 05:45 (UTC)
The article does mention Aarseth's penchant for sodomy, but I'm not sure what that specifies. I think we can infer that, since acts of sodomy (up to and including homosexual intercourse) are decried by Christianity, Aarseth's desire to go against everything Christianity stands for is a good argument for his own homosexuality or bisexuality. But that's just speculating on my part. Spartacusprime 16:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that is speculation and that's what makes it a truly terrible argument on Wikipedia. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basslines

The basslines in recent prints of DMDS weren't removed, as far as I can tell. I just bought the album yesterday and I can hear them clearly in some parts, like at five minutes into Life Eternal or at the very beginning of Pagan Fears. I'll edit that out in a bit when I'm not too obscenely lazy to reword a couple things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.148.20.250 (talk) 19:59, March 5, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide pictures

It should be noted that Euronymous wanted the picture of Dead's suicide to be the cover of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. It was Necrobutcher who objected to this. The final cover picture (which I believe is a church in England) was chosen by Hellhammer after Euronymous had already died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 168:03, September 15, 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source on this? First I've heard about it, and the church is in Norway as far as I know. XdiabolicalX 16:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I wish I had a link to it. It was an interview with Metalion (puclisher of Slayer magazine) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Genuine?

Shouldn't there be some discussion about Aarseth's seriousness when saying controversial stuff? I mean if you read some of the things that he has said it seems to me that much of what he said and claimed to do were done just to make himself look evil, following the "evil" trend in bm he set. I know he said some things about the church burnings pretty much claiming resposibilty for them by claiming to be the leader of the 'inner circle' to make it look like he was involved when it is doubtful if he was.

He had also been a member of the 'Marxist-Leninist' 'Communist Worker's' Party,'(source - Lords of Chaos) which is in conflict with his supposed fascistic satanist band, which Hellhammer claimed to be offended by. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.168.240 (talk) 20:01, January 13, 2007 (UTC)

Euronymous was fanatical about political extremism and totatitarianism, yet never actually embraced the whole concept of communism itself. His agenda was merely one of destruction, control and brutality, that's why he praised Stalin. It's been commonly misconceived that the Black Metal Musicians were on the whole fascist or Nazi, after all Euronymous had befriended and/or appraised/endorsed musicians from countries such as South America, Israel and Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 21:15, January 21, 2007

[edit] Interview

The link to the second interview page seems to be a blind link. I would be grateful is this could be fixed.

phisk 12:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello for Black Metal

While our beloved Aarseth had communistic political ideas, he also was one of the best black metal musicians, and also true to what he actually began. He did more for black metal than anyone in history. Just ask anyone who actually knew him. I find it disturbing tthat anyone should downgrade him to something he was not... he WAS the originator of modern BLACK FUCKING METAL. No doubt, no question. True. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.233.202 (talk) 04:34, April 10, 2007 (UTC)

That's a bit incredulous don't you think? Euronymous happily promoted political extremism etc. That doesn't negate his role in the development of black metal, as a matter of fact, it's rather important, especially as people are ideologically generalising black metal musicians with this anti-establishment crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 13:04, May 20, 2007
I have read in some interviews that he liked all the communists because they were tyrants, etc.Wayavas1337 19:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
That is correct. Although he didn't (directly) promote his politics in his music, there was hardly any contradiction between the two, given his adoration for brutality etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maoism

Shouldn't there be some info about Euronymous' (and others of the first generation BM)roots and engagement in Norwegian Maoism. If I remember it right, I think Euronymous underlined his commitment to dystopian marxism-leninism and egalitarianism in iinterviews with Swedish papers... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darioist (talk • contribs) 14:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Catagory: Crimes involving Satanism or the occult

Does this really count as involving Satanism or the Occult? More an arguement over money than anything else. Arthulian (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Euronymous MayheM.JPG

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BetacommandBot 09:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)