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Contents 1 Australia or Austria? 2 ILA 2006 photos 3 "The first Tiger ARH is scheduled to enter service in 2004" 4 Tiger cockpit picture 5 Herve Moray 6 PAH-2 7 um... 8 Better Performance rate than a Cobra 9 Russian spy tried to steal Tiger technology

[edit] Australia or Austria?

Is it the Australian Armyor the Austrian Army? I think it is the Austrian, isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.146.240.225 (talk • contribs)

No, it is indeed Australia that ordered the Tiger. Austria only bought some Blackhawks recently and neither plans to buy nor does it need an attack helicopter. They're notoriously stingy on defence spending anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.180.34.165 (talk • contribs)

Yes its the Australian Army, who have ordered the ARH variant (as described in the article), i believe that photo was from the Avalon airshow, the NH90 is just out of frame, also painted in the Australian Army colours--Nirvana- 05:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ILA 2006 photos

some photos i took on ILA 2006:

• http://i6.tinypic.com/11sjsrq.jpg
• http://i5.tinypic.com/11sjosn.jpg
• http://i6.tinypic.com/11sjvb9.jpg
• http://i6.tinypic.com/11sjxph.jpg
• http://i5.tinypic.com/11sjzbr.jpg

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.183.255.45 (talk • contribs)

[edit] "The first Tiger ARH is scheduled to enter service in 2004"

Could we update that part? It seems out of date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.50.105.199 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Tiger cockpit picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tigre-openphotonet_PICT5917.JPG Is that really a picture of the Tiger cockpit? It looks much too wide for a Tiger cockpit. Looks more like a cockpit from a helicopter with side-by-side seating. You can even see the centre consol and parts of a second cyclic controller to the far left in the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.236.208.22 (talk • contribs)

you're right, that's definatly not a Tiger's cockpit. The cockpit shown on the picture obviously has at last 5 MFDs while the Tiger only has 4 MFDs totally. And as you said the cockpit looks like one from a side-by-side seating heli. I'll remove it.--BSI 15:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It's an NH90 cockpit. Some specification errors I noted - MAUM = 6100Kg, Vne = 175 Kts. Engine Super contingency (SUP) power = 1555 SHP. The 1070SHP quoted is MCP. The fusalage is 80% composite - the % you have quoted are incorrect. The Tiger is not capable of stoppping 23mm cannon fire - It has some balistic tollerance that varies. Also, empty weight is closer to 4100Kg (3060Kg is very light on - not sure how you got that number, probably EC propaganda)

[edit] Herve Moray

Following commments are valid for both English and German versions of the Eurocopter Tiger page.

Concerning the Eurocopter Tiger page, you will find the new KHS designation mentioned in the German air show ILA website (www.ila2006.de/ila2006/besucher/dateien/Fluggeraete.pdf). The decision is recent (March 2006). Therefore not yet reflected in the official sites of Eurocopter or Deutsches Heer.

By the way, I am the Eurocopter Marketing Manager for Tiger and I can assure you that we do not have sold HAD to Saudi Arabia and we are not currently involved in any process that may lead to a short term sale of Tiger to Saudi Arabia. This country is a potential prospect for our helicopter as 30 other countries worldwide (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Malaysia ...)

And finally, it is a pity to drop the very last updates concerning delivery schedules and flight hours performed as by June 2006.

Hervé MORAY —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hervé MORAY (talk • contribs)

about the KHS-designation-thing:you as marketing manager of Eurocopter should be a little ashamed for not keeping your website up-to-date. March 2006 ain't really 'recent', it's nearly half a year by now. So, before being bothered to spread the news on wikipedia, you should do your important work first and fix that errors on your corporate website, then explain the Bundeswehr how they call their chopper now and tell them to fix their website too. It'd also be nice if you'd sign your posts on talk pages. Have a nice day--BSI 00:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PAH-2

What is the origin of the PAH-2 designation? Drutt (talk) 22:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

it's actually an outdated German designation which means "Panzerabwehrhubschrauber 2" (anti-tank helicopter 2) which indicated that it would succeed the "BO-105 PAH-1" Matthias Rigling (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] um...

ausrtalia is a desert... helicopters dont work in desrt i think it should be changed from australia to austria... what idiot thinks australia is gettin helicopters?

... i have made the changes... lets not let something this stupid happen again... 140.159.2.32 23:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Helicopters can in fact work in the desert, check AH-64, the problem was probably someone misreading Austria and putting in Australia. LWF 02:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

>Regarding the comment from '140.159.2.32,' that really is ignorance at its best. Please refrain from being so stupid. It is in fact Australia which has already taken deliveries of the Tiger and a minute of research could have proved that. Also; Australia is not just "a desert" you idiot.

It has to be Austria. Why the hell would a desert want a European Helicopter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.244.34 (talk) 11:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Weaponry of the Australian Army —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.182.17.187 (talk) 19:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Better Performance rate than a Cobra

Comparing performance and weight restrictions of a Eurocopter tiger to a Cobra, the tiger seems to have the upper edge. Able to carry more weight, higher service ceiling, faster rate of climb, larger weapons loadout, this helicopter could out manouveur and out perform a Cobra. i can't wait to fly this baby in the australian army!

One would hope that it would outperform the Cobra, or the Supercobra, for that matter, with those particular machines being Vietnam era technology based on the old UH1. The Tiger is far more sophisticated and capable, not to mention, still being made.

A more relevant comparison would be the AH-64 Apache. ck (talk) 12:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The Cobra is still being made too - the AH-1Z - and these will be new-builds. How the Tiger matches up to the Zulu remains to be seen. As far as weight class, I believe the AH-64 is somewhat heavier than both the Tiger and the later Cobra variants. - BillCJ (talk) 16:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Russian spy tried to steal Tiger technology

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,490759,00.html

According to Spiegel, an influental european news magazine, Russia severely intensifies his efforts to get his hands on blueprints and technologies related to the Tiger combat helicopter. Unfortunately i don't have the time right now to add something about that in the article, maybe one of you can. 88.64.30.248 08:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I've looked at the article, and there isn't anything we can really use that's relevant to the aritcle. The piece is really more of an editorial or opinion piece than a straight news story. But it's on the talk page now, and others can look at the story. - BillCJ 17:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)