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[edit] Alphabetical sort

I didn't understand what you did in the Alphabetical sort in Universities and colleges categories? Sridev 14:07, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetical sort

Categories will be sorted alphabetically by country name, not by first letter of category title:

For example Universities in Lithuania category Category:Universities -> Category:Universities|Lithuania

[edit] Art categories

Hi,

I noticed that you have recently been active in categorising articles in the visual arts. Can I also encourage you to join the categorisation discussion at Category talk:Art -- Solipsist 22:22, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not the best specialist in Arts :-( I just added Belarusian artists category... EugeneZelenko 01:15, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia in Belarusan

http://be.wikipedia.org/ ;) -- rydel 00:51, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ruble pictures

Per your request I deleted two Ruble pictures that you indicated where move to commons. However, they did not appear on Ruble after deletion so I am going to restore them. Can you look into the move and make whatever alterations are necessary to the Ruble article prior to requesting deletion? Thanks. - Tεxτurε 18:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, it was my fault. I replaced images in Ruble article. --EugeneZelenko 01:26, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Orsza

Yes, of course, my bad. It must've been late and I simply confused the licenses, it should be PD, or rather {{PD-art}}. Feel free to move it to commons. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 11:04, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Grunwald Wojciech Kossak.jpg Image

Yes, of course. :)--Emax 20:23, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Batory pod Pskowem.jpg Image

Of course - every pic that i uploaded :)--Emax 11:41, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Spc.gif

When you want an image deleted because it is replaced by a non-identical image you should use WP:IFD, not speedy deletion. Happy wiki editing :). Regards, Thue | talk 17:17, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Maps and Commons

Basically, any map I've made which doesn't contain a notice about its license is public domain — I've moved one or two such maps to Commons now. -- Vardion 05:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Licensing

It's important for all commons images to have a category both on Commons and on the wikis. This allows us to sort out images better. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/talk]] 02:57, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Commons

Thanks, i will do it :)--Emax 13:20, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Subdivisions_of_Belarus#naming

Hi EugeneZelenko! I would like to be bold as you say in your intro :-) But seems in Ukraine this forced fierce resistance by one journalist. I found you are contributer to Subdivisions of Belarus. Would like to hear your comment about Talk:Subdivisions_of_Belarus#naming Privjet Tobias Conradi 19:09, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fra Mauro

Hi Eugene,
As far as I know, reproductions of two-dimensional works of art older than 100 years cannot be copyright-protected in the US (Bridgeman Art Library Ltd. v. Corel Corporation), allowing for most of the images of ancient paitings that are on Wikipedia. The explanation is contained in the following Template. Thank you for any feedback. PHG 10:27, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) {{PD-art}}

[edit] Polish Złoty (PLZ)

I believe they are not copyrighted as such and there would be no problem with you scanning those as images. There are many official pages providing scans of the current Polish currency, so it should be ok. Among such sites is the site of the National Bank of Poland, the official organ of the Polish state entitled with issue of currency. Moreover, they allowed Emax to use their scans in wikipedia (details are here, in Polish) in accordance with these guidelines, so I believe there would be no problem at all. Also, you might want to take a look at this gallery. Does it answer your doubts? :) Halibutt 14:17, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VfD

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Occupied_territories_of_Baltic_States. Mikkalai 22:07, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You Got Barnstar!

For your tireless effort for moving images to the Wikimedia Commons, I, Zscout370 award you the Working Man's Barnstar. Congrats. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:36, 19 May 2005 (UTC) (KC)
For your tireless effort for moving images to the Wikimedia Commons, I, Zscout370 award you the Working Man's Barnstar. Congrats. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:36, 19 May 2005 (UTC) (KC)
Thank you! Служу Советскому... (I said something wrong…) Wikipedia! :-) --EugeneZelenko 02:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Glad you like it. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:33, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Я Служю Вики! Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Email from Jimbo Wales

Hello. I figgured you wanted to read this email, since I think you pretty much handle the IFD. Enjoy. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:05, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NowCommons versus IFD

Hi Eugene. I noticed you tag a lot of images with {{NowCommons}}, and list them on WP:IFD at the same time. Could you avoid listing on IFD, except in cases where there's some good reason to delete the image here? Maybe someday we'll get the ability to actually move images along with their revision history to the Commons. And if that never happens, well, presumably we can bulk-delete the NowCommons images at that point. Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 22:23, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll add NowCommons only. --EugeneZelenko 03:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Science pearls

Hi,

I address you as the ambassador of your wikipedia. Please notice the above project.

This project, more than other projects, will benefit from inter-wiki cooperation. Can you post a message regarding this project at your wikipedia village pump.

Thanks for your help, APH from the English wiki

I post a message on be:Вікіпэдыя:Форум#«Навуковыя жамчужыны». Sorry for delay. --EugeneZelenko 01:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Belarusophobia

See histories of List of Belarusians and List of Russians. mikka (t) 21:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Watch also the list of russians. He copied all belarusians there, when he was reverted several times here. mikka (t) 02:52, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] svislach

The policy is to use most common English name, with the exception of some obscure toponyms. Also, Lacinka is not an official Belarusian state orthography; their Latin geographical transliteration system is for a limited keyboard. So I guess we have a big job of reverting this premature "polonization". "Poliakam, liaham, panam, sobakam..." But frankly, I don't care anymore, with the exception of most idiotic cases. mikka (t) 01:38, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] stress sign?

could you explain what the need is in "stress signs" (like in "Засла́ўе")? it doesn't look ok for me since it breaks word in parts visually, and makes it unusable for those who doesn't speak Belarusian if they need, for example, copy it and paste some where. thanks --Monkbel 07:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

For those who want to learn more (it's encyclopedia at the end :-). People who doesn't will skip Belarusian/Russian anyway. --EugeneZelenko 13:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
hmmm... are you sure such pure linguistic questions as stress should be shown in encyclopaedia? It seems to me it is more a question of dictionary (wiktionary). A lot of languages have variable stress and I didn't see any to use the stress sign or smth.
Original name in encyclopaedia is included to show how to write name locally and it should not be mixed with pronunciation; pronunciation of course could be shown for those who want to learn more, but I think it should be in IPA form (for the whole word). For example, Polish use it - see Białystok and similar pages.
And - another point - what about those who want to learn more, but don't know cyrillics enough to distinguish stress sign from an usual letter? They will probably use this stressed version and will suddenly realise it goes nowhere - for example, it is unsearchable in Google. --Monkbel 14:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
And one more point: when I'm browsing under Windows, Firefox shows me combined letter in place of stressed letter, like á; but when I'm browsing under Linux, Firefox shows letter and stress sign separatedly, like а́. In such way it is even more unconvinient... --Monkbel 22:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Commons

Hi, Eugene, I've been blocked in commons because uploading soccer logos. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. There are a lot of soccer logos uploades. I don't know what kind of license I have to use. Can you help me? (Felato). Thanks.

[edit] Geographic names

I'm looking for input from Belarusian editors about the geographical naming guidelines that we're trying to create. Would you take a look at the proposals at Wikipedia:Naming conventions/Geographic names (particularly the proposal D version 2) and then possibly leave your constructive :-) comments on the talk page ? Thanks. --Lysy (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New articles

Are you aware of Portal:Belarus/New article announcements? mikka (t) 20:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I know about it, but don't see regularly. I'll try to do so in future. --EugeneZelenko 22:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Banknote file name convention

Hi, you have some absolutely beautiful Belarusian ruble images. But as a task for the Numismatics Project, the file names of banknote images have to be standardized. In particular, I would like to rename your images to the following

Belarus-1992-Bill-0.5-Obverse.jpg --> BelarusP01-50Kapeek-1992_a.jpg
Belarus-1992-Bill-100-Obverse.jpg --> BelarusP08-100Rublei-1992_a.jpg
Belarus-1994-Bill-20000-Obverse.jpg --> BelarusP13-20000Rublei-1994_a.jpg
Belarus-2000-Bill-500-Reverse.jpg --> BelarusP27-500Rublei-2000_b.jpg

I just want to get a permisson from you. This format will apply to all banknote image. You can see some examples at my user page. Thanks --Chochopk 12:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's reasonable for images already (not only mine) uploaded on Commons. You could upload them under new name, but you must replace existing one on all projects. Tools for doing this task still not ideal :-(
Better solution - to ask everybody who interesting in numismatics to upload new images under new "standard" names.
Just for you information: correct Belarusian words for our currency are "рубель/рублі/рублёў" (depend on quantity, see actual images).
EugeneZelenko 16:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
So I'm just wondering, did I transliterate the word correctly? Would it be rubel, rubli, and rublei? I only took 1 year of Russian and I'm sure there are differences between the 2 languages. --Chochopk 21:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Should be "rubel/rubli/rublyow".
Just the idea: will be great to avoid currency name in image name at all. Number is enough. One country doesn't have 2 currencies simultaneously. At least years of issuing are different.
EugeneZelenko 06:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction. I was using BNG method and apparently i ignored the 2 dots above "ё". I have a lot of renaming to do on my hard drive now. =) --Chochopk 00:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] your retagging

I reserve my judgement about your aggressive retagging of images taken by UA state news agency but since you persisted on "fairuse" tag and can't even wait for people to express their opinion on which tag better applies, could you at least take care of the fairuse tag you placed? What I mean is that the the text in this very tag says:

"To the person adding the tag: Please provide a detailed rationale explaining why this use qualifies as fair use."

Please provide such a rationale since it was you who applied this tag before another aggressive copyright checker puts the image up for deletion. Thanks, --Irpen 19:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

See Image talk:Yuriy Yekhanurov VRU Sep22 2005 vote.jpg and Image talk:VRU Jan23 2005 guests.jpg. --EugeneZelenko 06:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Please take a look: Talk:Vorša --Ghirla | talk 15:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please respond

Could you please respond to my question on Talk:Blaise ketone synthesis. Thanks, ~K 19:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I saw, Scott5114 had answered all you questions already. --EugeneZelenko 05:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] be:Гімн Совецкага Саюза

I am trying to create my first article in the Belarusian language, can you help me please? I uploaded the lyrics picture for guidance. I also tried to tag it as a stub, but stub does not exist in BE. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I fixed stub problem and added a little bit of info. --EugeneZelenko 15:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian Coast Guard images

When a bunch of Canadian Coast Guard images had changes to how their liscence tags were represented, indicating they might soon get deleted I spent about six hours looking for images that could be released under free liscenses. I used google to search for images of CCG vessels and aircraft that had been taken by an employee of a USA federal agency as part of his or her duties. Those images, I believe, would be in the public domain.

So, I was very surprised to see some of them being removed. And I was very surprised that I didn't receive a notice on my talk page that someone had a concern over those images. I tagged a couple of images I had concerns over the liscense. I read, in the procedure, that the person who had the concern was supposed to put a note on the uploader's talk page and a tag, in the caption field, everywhere the image was used. It looks like neither of these steps where taken.

Do you know who else was involved in the removal of these images? Do you know who should have taken the step of putting the warning tags in the caption fields? Do you know who should have taken the step of putting a warning on the uploader's talk page? Do you know why these images were removed?

I thought I was careful, and only included images that were entitled to be distributed as free. Frankly, if was a lot of work. I have been contacted by other fans of the original CCG images, from the DFO site, that were released by the DFO with too many conditions to remain on the wikipedia. I have advised them that we have to obey the rules. So, I am pretty pissed off that it looks like those who recently removed these image don't seem to have bothered to have followed the procedure. -- Geo Swan 23:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

All images that I deleted originate from http://www.airliners.net, where they were clearly marked as copyrighted. Users (most probably muppets) who uploaded them into Commons told lies about authorship. Copyvio tags presented during 7 - 10 days. These are reason for deletion.
I warned all users to do not do that in future.
If you want to use these images in English Wikipedia, please upload them here and use {{fair use in}}.
EugeneZelenko 14:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
And I know I checked all the CCG images when I listed those with questionable copyrights and those with liscences I thought were unambiguously free enough for inclusion on the wikipedia. There weren't many that were unambiguously free. The first dozen, or half dozen I listed. The bulk of the ones listed were ones I uploaded. They were all images I found that qualified for a {PD-USGov} tag of some sort, not fair use. I found them all on government sites, either attributed to a serving member of the Armed Forces, or not attributed at all. I didn't get any of them from airliner.net.
Maybe airliners.net got some {PD-USGov} images from the same sites I did?
Sorry, but I think these images are more likely to be made by Canadian persons, so what do {{PD-USGov}} have commons with that fact? --EugeneZelenko 15:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe if you check the procedure for deleting images for yourself you will see that it requires those who are involved in the deletion of articles and images to put a warning tag in the caption field everywhere those images were used. This is absolutely necessary because, sometimes, new contributors aren't aware of the requirement to place a liscense tag, or are not familiar enough to place the correct tag. Sometimes what appears to be a copyright violation is actually an instance where the original creator of an image has decided to start contributing to the wikipedia. I believe it is absolutely essential that the procedures be followed. Images that only appear to be copyright violations, or have a liscense issue because an inexperienced contributor applied the wrong tag should not be removed, without proper warning.
You wrote that you thought it was more -likely- that images of Canadian Government vessels or Canadian government aircraft would be taken by Canadians than they would be taken by the employees of US federal agencies. Perhaps you didn't mean to say you feel authorized to remove images merely because you think it is -likely- that they are copyright violations. But that is what it looks like you were saying. It that is what you really meant I believe you are completely off-base.
Employees of American Federal agencies participated in joint scientific ventures on board Canadian vessels. Employees of American Federal agencies took pictures of Canadian vessels when they visited American ports. When wikipedia policy changes meant we shouldn't use the images from the Canadian Department of Defence or Department of Fisheries and Oceans sites, because they tried to impose a noncommercial restriction on end-users, I went looking for the limited number of instances when Americans took pictures of Canadian craft. Frankly, whatever you meant by your comment above, I think it was disrespectful to the efforts I put in to complying with the policy change.
I checked the history of my contributions during the day and a half I hunted for free images. As I mentioned above I found almost all the existing CCG images had been challenged. I listed them in a gallery, to give a heads-up to other contributors who worked on CCG articles. I also started a gallery of images with liscenses that seemed okay. There weren't that many. So I started the search I described above for additional PD images. It looks like the images you removed were previously existing images. But if I listed them it means I looked at the liscensing, didn't see an objection or see anything objectionable.
Perhaps there was something objectionable about the liscensing of those images that I missed. I believe we all have a right to expect the wikipedia policies and procedures to be carried out in a spirit of openness and transparency. Maybe, after all the work I did on those other images, I would have agreed with whatever objection you had to those images. Maybe I would have learned something by seeing the reasons you objected to the image.
-- Geo Swan 14:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Or maybe your muppets uploaded nonfree images over top of the free ones I found. When you suspect something is a copyvio you are supposed to check for earlier free revisions. Did you check this with these images?
I didn't see any overwrites. --EugeneZelenko 15:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Either way I think it is unfortunate that the proper procedure of putting the warning tag in the caption field whereever the images were used wasn't followed, to give those, like me, who had an interest in those images a chance to comment.
Telling me to upload them again is not acceptable, because finding those several dozen alternate free images represented a lot of work. It is not fair or reasonable to ask me to repeat that work if those involved in the deletion did not follow the procedure when I went to considerable effort to follow procedure myself.
-- Geo Swan 15:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I could only suggest you to look into commons:Category:Copyvio_-_March_2006 to be prepared for new deletions. Commons is not the place for copyvio. --EugeneZelenko 15:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't find this an acceptable suggestion. Contributors should not be called upon to monitor the various fora where articles and images they are interested in might be listed for deletion, just in case someone decides they should be deleted. Those who delete articles and images absolutely must follow the policies and procedures. In the case of articles that requires placing an {afd} notice on the article. In the case of images there is a requirement that a warning be placed in the caption fields of all the instances of the images' use.
I went to a lot of effort to help those working on CCG articles to follow procedure and comply with image policy change. And I expect those who choose to delete articles and images to follow procedure. -- Geo Swan 14:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
At first users, who uploaded copyvios on Commons, didn't follow policies and procedures.
If you doesn't have time to mark pages with copyvio yourself, I don't have time too (I need to remove these images from many projects, not just English Wikipedia). Please try to understand Commons administrators too.
So, I'll not delete this stuff in future, but somebody else will definitely do so. I had notified you, so it's up to you to do something or just argue with other people.
EugeneZelenko 14:45, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
You can check for yourself. In the list of things to do when you suspect there is a problem with how an image is liscenced, right after putting a note on the uploader's talk page there is the requirement that someone put a warning tag in the caption field of every instance where the image is used. If you are only warning the uploader, then you are violating procedure. If your colleagues are only warning the uploader then they are violating procedure. It is that simple.
I don't think it matters how overworked you feel. You must follow the procedure. We get angry at vandals and copyright violators, because they don't follow the procedures. You must follow it too, no matter how inconvenient you and your colleagues find doing so. -- Geo Swan 15:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:BlackHolesAndRevalationsCover.JPG

Hi. Please add a source to Image:BlackHolesAndRevalationsCover.JPG. Thanks. Mahahahaneapneap 19:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trust on Wikipedia

Hello Eugene, this is Cathy from Hong Kong working on a research about trust on Wikipedia. I wonder if you would kindly contact me at researchingmedia@gmail.com? I'd like to chat with you about Wikipedia of your language. Would you kindly drop me your email or IM (Skype, MSN, AIM or ICQ)? It wouldn't take more than ten minutes, but it would help enormous for us to understand the overall trust-based social landscape of Wikipedia. Thank you!

[edit] Apology

Greetings EugeneZelenko!,

I do not understand why you wish to delete this article. It is written in proper Belorussian. Please show mercy.--Jose77 04:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I consider it religious spam. Sorry, there are many other flavors of Christianity around. Why you favorite one should be presented in all Wikipedias? --EugeneZelenko 13:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear EugeneZelenko,

I hereby give my sincere apologies for creating two articles on Belarussian wikipedia in the Russian language on 7 October and 23 December last year (which were both deleted by you). I also uploaded a copyrighted image in which you later deleted. I know that you are very angry at me because of these three mischievous events. I humbly ask for your forgivesness and beg you to keep this article. --Jose77, 21:27 Thursday 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I doesn't have anything against existing of this article in be:, if somebody will expand stub (now it's only 1 sentence). Additionally it's named incorrectly. I hope somebody, who interested in Christianity will fix these problems. --EugeneZelenko 13:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
In your opinion, what do you think the proper Belarussian title of this church should be? --Jose77 22:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
According to discussion: сапраўдная or ісціная. I don't know which variant are best in this case. --EugeneZelenko 04:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked, why ?

Why you blocked me ?

Mes téléchargements d'images ne violent pas de copyright.

Les sources sont, soit publiques, soit avec un copyright mais dont l'utilisation est autorisée, soit personnelles (photos prises par moi-même!).

Vous m'avez bloqué sans même me prévenir sérieusement et me dire comment faire si réellement certaines sources étaient mal indiquées !

Je ne saisis sans doute pas très bien comment indiquer les sources, mais au lieu de me bloquer, expliquez moi.

Veuillez me débloquer, merci.

Please, deblocked me, thank you.

Ncadene ID utilisateur : 48546

Sorry, images from website doesn't mean free for anybody for any purpose. And you must specify source for every image you uploaded. Please read and follow commons:Commons:Licensing. --EugeneZelenko 17:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political Cartoons

Er, why have you deleted the political cartoons I had on my user page? I understand you've deleted them from the commons - why?? Miamomimi 19:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation Request (2 sentences)

For the front page of the Novial Test Wikipedia it would be nice to have a Belarussian translation of the following 2 sentences:

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Welcome to the Wikipedia in the Novial language!

You can read about the international auxiliary language Novial here.

<>

See the original request at Wikimedia Incubator here.

Should I use the Belarus flag next to the translation?

Thank you, Nov ialiste 17:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Сардэчна запрашаем у Вікіпедыю на мове Навіял!
Вы можаце прачытаць пра міжнародную дапаможную мову Навіял тут
I don't sure about language name transliteration. I don't think that it's good idea to associate state/territory flags with languages.
--EugeneZelenko 20:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I understand what you mean about using a state flag with a language. But they is used very much on internet pages as a convenient visual symbol. Thanks very much for the translation. Nov ialiste 23:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yefim Karskiy

Thanks for spotting the double pages for Yefim Karskiy.Harrypotter 22:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

While I know you admin the Commons and be-x-old.wikipedia, do you wish to become an admin here? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Elections ua 44.gif)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:BG Lev-1951-Bill-10-Obverse.jpg)

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[edit] be.wikipedia progress

About how much progress is being done to combine the Wikis? The last time we spoke, you were speaking with a Kazakh Wikipedian who works on MediaWiki scripts with language conversion. How is that going? Is there anything else that needs to be done? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I wrote draft code for Classic Cyrillic <-> Latin conversion similar to (Crimean Tatars converter). I need to do skeleton Classic <-> Official and framework code. Also I'm not sure in easy piping of 2 converters in case of Official Cyrillic <-> Classic Latin which should be done through Classic Cyrillic.
Unfortunately real life takes its toll now, but I hope I'll have time on weekends in next weeks.
EugeneZelenko 14:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's ok, life happens. At least the ball is still rolling. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] привет

загляни на свою страничку в викискладе, плз. Alæxis¿question? 10:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Уже :-) --EugeneZelenko 13:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Petr Shelokhonov

Hi,

Could you please check the Belarusian spelling of Petr Shelokhonov's name?

See also the discussion at Talk:Petr Shelokhonov#Native spelling.

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 08:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Answered there. --EugeneZelenko 14:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks.
I wondered about this, and now is a good time to ask:
If there's a э/е and an о/ё in a Belarusian word, then how can i be sure which one is accented? That's the trouble that i had with the word Беларусь, for example, and the same problem would be with Шэлахонаў. Or maybe Беларусь has two accents? --Amir E. Aharoni 14:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
ё almost always accented (exception радыё). о - always, otherwise it become а. е - depends. --EugeneZelenko 15:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three things

First, Constitution of Belarus is at FAC now. Second, I have expanded President of Belarus and is now at good article candidates. The third thing, I think I just found photos of Batka while he was in the Frontier Guards and the Soviet Army. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Great! Thank you for your job!
If you'll need, you could find a little bit about politics of Belarus in commons:Category:Freedom Day (Belarus).
EugeneZelenko 14:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I wonder if it would be hard to get a photograph of the the official residence of the President? I know the MVD patrols the building, so I do not wish to subject your family to arrest. If something easier could be done, could photographs of the Constitution be made? I have the Constitution (imported from Minsk) at my home, but I am not sure if I am able to scan that. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
My mother told that she tried to make photo in that place (residency or old national library) and guards prohibited to do so. Funny link on this subject.
I'll ask my mother to make photo of the Constitution. Unfortunately I missed a chance to help you: I saw 1996 Constitution of Belarus with translations on 4 languages in Saratoga, CA used book store year ago...
EugeneZelenko 14:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Gah! I am in Southern California, so I could see if I can get them. If not, the English text is public domain, so I can just publish a book. About the photo of the palace; a friend of mine also try to photograph the flags on the building and he was chased away by the MVD. Send my thanks and regards to your mother. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I'll. --EugeneZelenko 15:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

On a sidebar note, I did get your message via Facebook. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Belarusy sheet music

I know for the United States anthem, there are many business that sell sheet music so people can perform the anthem. I was wondering if the Belarusian anthem sheet music is sold. The reason why is I am planning to make a better version of the sheet music, but the sources I have that show the music are either blurry or for the wrong song (such as Vajacki mars). Is there any way I could manage to get a clear set of sheet music? I am willing to pay. If you wish to talk about this off wiki, please let me know. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll ask my relatives. I hope this time it'll happens.
BTW. If you need sheet music of Vajacki marsz, I could scan it. Unfortunately it's copyrighted (modern edition).
EugeneZelenko 13:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a copy of it (it is also copyrighted, but it is clear enough to where I could do it). Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constitution of Belarus promoted

Now that the article is FA, there is no urgency to get the photographs of the Constitution. I still like to get real photos of the document, but since the article is now Featured, there is no "time limit," per say. Btw, this makes 6 Belarusian articles that are considered featured. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! And thanks for doing this great job! --EugeneZelenko 14:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vector-Images.com images

So can we still use their images or should we have to review each image for copyright status? It feels like no one on here is buying the debate at the Commons at all. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Frankly said, I don't know... Formally terms of use was changed in Vector-Images.com (to use in any media), from other side people see other issues. Anyway I feel that replacement of {{Vector-Images.com}} with PD-XX-exempt ifs incorrect too due violation terms of use. --EugeneZelenko 14:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I still don't want it to be a license either, so I am trying to depreciate the template here and just getting nowhere. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Вавёрка

What would be the correct way to write the Belarusian word "вавёрка" in Łacinka - wawiorka or wawjorka? I tried to understand it from Tarashkyevich's book, but it doesn't say much. See also my question at Talk:Belarusian Latin alphabet - you can reply there.

Thanks in advance. --192.118.34.228 07:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

There was answer on mentioned page - Vaviorka. В is always v (w is not used in modern Łacinka). As far as I know j with еёюя vowels is used only at beginning or end of words. In the middle - with i.
You could also try Cyrillic-to-Latin converters: http://www.zedlik.com/pragramy/kir2lac-online/, http://www.pravapis.org/latin.asp (this site is not working currently).
EugeneZelenko 14:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contact

Hi Eugene! I would like to discuss with you certain issues via email. Would you do me a great favor and send an email using this address? Thank you. --Michael Romanov 16:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Khatyn memorial

Well, I got a Flickr release for images of the memorial. You said they are copyrighted. How can we resolve this? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Since statue itself is copyrighted you need to contact sculptor or copyrights owner (if different). Or probably http://www.belgospatent.org (as collection agency).
Could you please give me a link to Flickr image, may be statue is not main subject of photo?
EugeneZelenko 14:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
[1]. All other Belarusian photos have been made into CC-BY-SA for us. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 15:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, Zach, according to EugeneZelenko the CC-BY-SA license cannot be valid and the author of this beautiful photos is in violation of copyright laws merely by posting his own pics to Flickr. Am I right, EugeneZelenko? --Irpen 21:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I do not know where the original author (on Flickr) lives and I believe it will be wrong of me to ask him. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
How is where he lives relevant? --Irpen 06:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
No idea. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Since EugeneZelenko seems to think he knows the issue best, I would be interested in his opinion. Is the author of [2] guilty of appropriating the copyright and posting the copyrighted intellectual property under his own license? --Irpen 07:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Law of country where statue is permanently installed are relevant. In this case law of Belarus.
In case where sculpture is main subject on photo, copyrights of 2 authors involved: sculptor's and photographer's. In some countries (for example Germany) author of statue doesn't have any rights over photographer work, in some countries (USA, France, Russia, Belarus) he/she does. So Flickr user is not single owner of this "copyrighted intellectual property" in case of statue located in Belarus.
At least Flickr user doesn't have right to publish image under commercial license without explicit permission of author of statue. In current state this image are copyvio.
Question to Irpen: if you make photo of CD cover (main subject of image) - will you be a single owner of copyrights in this case? Why do you think case with statue must always be different?
EugeneZelenko 14:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Please don't twist my words. I never said I approve theft. I am not an expert in copyrights but neither are you, at least not in the capacity of a pseudonymous Wikipedia user. I know that the statue case is different from the case you gave because I have heard of cases when people were sued or forced to stop using illegally used copies of copyrighted images but I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for publishing images of 1960s monuments they took themselves. Take for example, this page at the web-site of the Voice of Russia. Are you saying that the lawyers of this mainstream news organization are less familiar with copyrights than EugeneZelenko. The image is produced in countless books, tourist brochures, newspapers and magazines. Who are you to say that they all are criminals who steal someone's work? I believe the professionals in publishing a better familiar with copyrights than pseudonymous Wikipedia users, even those who claim to be copyright experts without basis and make it a habit to try to force their fringe views on this international project. --Irpen 17:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
We are discussing "freedom of panorama" problem and all appraisals of personalities are irrelevant. So I'm expecting from you to support this level of discussion in future. And I'd like to remind you about assume good faith.
Again, return to the law. This is quote form Russian text (I hope you'll understand this better then previous quote from English translation):
Статья 7. Произведения, являющиеся объектами авторского права

1. Объектами авторского права являются:

...

произведения живописи, графики, скульптуры и другие произведения изобразительного искусства;

...

Статья 19. Использование произведения без согласия автора и без выплаты авторского вознаграждения

Допускается без согласия автора и без выплаты авторского вознаграждения, но с обязательным
указанием автора произведения и источника заимствования:

...

воспроизведение или доведение до всеобщего сведения произведений архитектуры, изобразительного
искусства, фотографий, которые постоянно расположены в месте, открытом для свободного посещения, за
исключением случаев, когда изображение произведения является основным объектом такого воспроизведения
или сообщения для всеобщего сведения или когда оно используется в коммерческих целях;
My conclusion from this text - you can use pictures of copyrighted statue where statue is main subject for commercial purposes, if you have explicit sculptor/copyrights holder permission. So I'm not claiming that The image is produced in countless books, tourist brochures, newspapers and magazines. Who are you to say that they all are criminals who steal someone's work? There is legal way to use this images, so I'm assume that authors of countless books, tourist brochures, newspapers and magazines published since May 16, 1996, asked permission to do so. Otherwise it'll be their liability.
You could also read opinion of Belarusian lawyer and discussions in Russian Wikipedia Forum: 1, 2.
If you still not happy with these conclusions, I invite you do discuss this problem in Freedom of panorama, commons:Commons:Freedom of panorama, commons:Commons_talk:Licensing, where you could make valuable contribution.
As for lawsuits, as far as I remember discussions of commons:Commons:Deletion requests there were such in France about Louvre Pyramid and ligts of Eiffel Tower.
EugeneZelenko 16:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Василий Афанасьевич Ревяко

I am wondering if you or other Russian speakers would like to ask http://vertelishki.com/?36_2 for the photograph at [3]. I want to use the photo for the Hero of Belarus article. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. I also included your e-mail in CC. --EugeneZelenko 14:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you (and I got the email message). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

Thought that you would be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Belarus. --Boguslav 17:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

He beat me to it ... I also thought you would want to know about it. I spent some time this morning on the assessment for it ... -- Prove It (talk) 21:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for invitation! --EugeneZelenko 14:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Meetup/San Francisco 4

This coming Saturday at 3:30 ... hope you can make it. -- Prove It (talk) 14:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for notification! A-priori I plat to be in SF this day, but I need to convince my guest to visit meet-up. --EugeneZelenko 15:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for off topic. Женя, так Вы тут по соседству, можно сказать, живете? :) --Michael Romanov 21:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Мир тесен :-) Хотя к стыду своему должен признать, что в Сан-Диего ещё не побывал :-( --EugeneZelenko 14:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Ну если случай представится, милости просим в гости. Свожу бесплатно в зоопарк и парк диких животных (а при некоторых усилиях даже в "Морской мир"). --Michael Romanov 18:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
About's where in San Diego are you going to? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 18:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you also from San Diego? Small world. :) --Michael Romanov 19:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I am in San Diego county, near Oceanside, California. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
We are almost neighbours. I am from Escondido. During the recent fire crisis, we stayed in Oceanside in the house of our Ukrainian friends where it was safe. How about you? Sorry, Eugene, for chatting on your page. --Michael Romanov 00:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
No problem :-) --EugeneZelenko 15:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Спасибо большое за приглашение! Правда не знаю, будет ли возможность в ближайшем обозримом будущем... А если захочется на залежи кремния (ну и на стрекозятник заодно) :-) посмотреть, то приезжайте в гости. --EugeneZelenko 15:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Мазутная авария у вас там рядом случилась? --Michael Romanov 19:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Да, если не ошибаюсь, в районе Сан-Франциском (Bay Bridge/Golden Gate Bridge). Кстати, мне вчера настоящую barnstar подарили - есть что на грудь повесить :-) --EugeneZelenko 18:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Добрый вечер, Евгений! Не возражаешь, если мы перейдем на "ты"? Так ты, значит, не из SF? Только сейчас понял, что ты имел в виду, когда где-то заметил по поводу моих амер. конвертов, что ты выбросил накануне целую пачку таких в мусор. :) --Michael Romanov 06:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Про "ты" - не возражаю :-) Я живу в San Jose, а в San Francisco предпочитаю только наездами, да и то, если сильно надо будет :-)
С конвертами одна беда - "то густо, то пусто". Да я ещё пытаюсь со спамом бороться :-)
Кстати, на этой викивстрече фотки делали, можно на наших окрестных википедистов посмотреть.
EugeneZelenko 15:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Посмотрел. Что-то там на 12-й тебя не видно, зато на 5-й крупным планом. :) А со спамом я именно так и борюсь, пропуская его через сканнер, если попадается что-то любопытное, а потом - на recycling. :) Я так почему-то и предполагал, что ты в Сан-Хосе. :) Вопрос: марки, что ты в свое время загружал, из твоей коллекции? Смотрю, некоторые весьма обветшали. :( А есть и ничего еще, вчера, кстати, одной твоей статью украсил. :) --Michael Romanov 18:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
На самом деле из коллекции отца. Насколько помню серьёзно он этим занимался в 70-х - 80-х, а более старые марки скорее всего прости снимались с конвертов (отпаривались или отмачивались) - это и отразилось на их состоянии :-(. --EugeneZelenko 15:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Получил якобы от тебя сегодня по мылу какое-то приглашение, но не был уверен, что это именно ты его посылал, а не какой-нибудь червь. Если это всё же ты, о чем там речь - о каком каталоге? --Michael Romanov (talk) 05:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Вчера прочитал про сайт, который ставит целью избавлять людей от ненужных каталогов. Пока не знаю, насколько эффективно, но начинание явно стоит поддержать :-) Деревьев жалко... Да и не только деревьев... Подумалось, что у других подобные проблемы и им тоже не помешает узнать :-) Прошу прощения, если это было воспринято как спам. Сам недавно пытался бороться с макулатуропроизводителями, да вот ответ получил в одном случае из четырёх :-( --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Теперь понял. А сайт не опасен в плане рассекречивания личной информации? А то скажешь им свои адреса-явки-пароли, а они потом спамом завалят. :) --Michael Romanov (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Обещают ими не быть и оказывать прямо противоположный эффект. Конечно, к http://donotcall.gov доверия больше :-) В случае чего, я уже - подопытнй кролик :-) --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Тогда пару недель подожду, чем закончится опыт. :) --Michael Romanov (talk) 19:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Пожалуйста, сообщи, как проходит испытание данного ресурса, спама не убавилось/не прибавилось? :) --Michael Romanov (talk) 16:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Пока всё в пределах статистической погрешности, но нового точно ничего не появилось. Ещё пытался расширить их коллекцию редкостей и красот, но пока без особого успеха :-( Может они одиночные запросы игнорируют... --EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your account rename on Commons

Thanks! --Gibmetal 77talk 16:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ru:Википедия:К удалению/15 декабря 2007#Экс-галерея к Филателия (журнал)

Прошу тебя, как участника филпроекта, помочь разобраться в ситуации с этой статьей на страницах ее обсуждения и удаления. Спасибо. И, как от опытный админ Викисклада, не мог бы ты лично мне пояснить, как в целом на будщее относиться к подобным ситуациям (можно ответить здесь, можно офф лайн). С уважением, --Michael Romanov (talk) 16:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Высказал своё мнение. Могу понять сторонников удаления, т.к. содержимое свободной энциклопедии должно быть как можно более свободным (в идеале - полностью). С другой стороны, могу понять позицию филателистов. К сожалению, статья 19.1 закона РФ об авторском праве довольно расплывчата. На мой взгляд, текста статьи очень мало для такого количества изображений. С другой стороны, можно попробовать получить разрешение правообладателей на создание такой галереи, но не уверен в том, что удастся сделать эти изображения свободными. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] I don't understand: Image:New_light_brown_sand.jpg

You say the copyright is bad but I have correctly listed

You ask for a higher resolution? Is this resolution of the copyright? Do you mean their is a different copyright resolution? If that is the case please let me know which resolution of the copyright document I should be using?Hhawk (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Or do you mean a higher bit rate for the photo? If that is the case what does the resolution have to do with the validity of the copyright? Please point me to the appropriate documents related to copyright that equate size and validity?

Answered via e-mail. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

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Ok, so those guidelines say that I have to ask every owner of the bottles for copyright? Can you explain me why the license I added to the image is not enough? Doesn't it say that I do not hold any of the rights, all the companies do? Mallerd (talk) 20:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


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