Talk:Ethnic groups in Brazil

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Can anyone explain to me what this template is doing in this article? I'm Brazilian, and as far as I'm aware, though there is some racial prejudice, there is no segregation. There are no "things for black people" or "things for white people". I want to make it clear that I may have missed the point, so I'd like an explanation, or else the removal based on my argument. Thanks in advance. And please send me an e-mail (vitorcassol AT gmail DOT com) when answering, because I rarely check my Wikipedia account.

Vítor Cassol 06:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed it. It has nothing to do with the article. Opinoso 17:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] 86%

86% of Brazilians have at least 10% of their genes coming from Africans.

what? this is the only line in the statistics that has no source. it's kinda difficult. there are lots of white brazilians wich arrived from europe from not enough time to have mixed so much.

in fact, those statistics are very crude, since some genetic studys was made just in 200 'white brazilians', and 200 is not 200 million. And also should be noticed that the notion of race changes from region to region. many people considered white in São Paulo are considered non-white in Rio Grande do Sul, for exemple. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.2.134.75 (talk) 04:35, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

This statistic DOES have source. Opinoso 01:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

But, the source is not cited. It should be removed until it's authenticity can be verified. dragoon 18:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems in this page

[edit] Pictures

I think the pictures in this article are problematic.

They center on the three ethnical groups that historically set the roots of the current Brazilian population. In this sense, they are correct. However, I think an article titled “race in Brazil” which carries emphasis on IBGE’s data should have pictures of the three main current groups, which are white, brown (pardo) and black (although blacks are a minority at roughly 6% if we consider the official data).

The second problem is that these are pictures of unknown people. How are we supposed to know they are really from Brazil? If they are actually known people, I apologize for this remark, but I kindly request someone identifies them.

I have two alternative proposals:

a) We remove the pictures altogether; b) We replace them for pictures of white, brown (pardo) and black people of well known Brazilian celebrities.

I personally favor proposal “a”, because it avoids trouble.

Sparks1979 15:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


IBGE does not focus on a person's race, but in skin color. Brazilian culture does not consider ancestry that much to say a person's race. If the person looks European, he will be considered White by the society, no matter if his parent was half Black, for example.

The racial base of Brazilians are three (European (White), African (Black) and Amerindian (Mongoloid). Most Brazilians do share a racial mix of these peoples in their genes, even though some do know about it, others try to hide it and "pass as white", or others, for the fact that do not have another race's features assume they are 100% White or 100% Black, etc.


Others are racists and try to "pass as white as they can". This is obvious in the IBGE census, where a mere 6% of Brazilian classify themselves as Blacks. Over 4 million slaves were brought to Brazil and it is mathmatically impossible to be only 6% of Blacks in this country.

Some people are so "White-washing" that belive Brazil is 6%, even though the government considers 45% of Brazilians to be Black.

I think some users would be happy if we post the pictures of blond supermodels to represent Brazilians. But, of course, it is not possible, so some prefer to just erase the picture of the Black and Amerindian men.Opinoso

It is well-seen that some people still live in the 19th century and think the "European race" is superior to the others. 16:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The official census data has only 6% black and that's a fact. The government can't "consider" anything different than that because that's the official data. If someone does then what this someone is doing is racism, i.e., bringing back the mentality of the XIX century, still alive in the US and Europe, of "racial purity". It is stupidity to consider someone "black" just because they have some "black ancestor", unless your mind works in terms of Nazi standards for race. If you are a Nazi then I would understand your obsession with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.27.58.196 (talk) 06:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title

I think the title "Race in Brazil" should be replaced with "Ethnical groups in Brazil". The prevailing modern scientific approach favors the expression “ethnical group” whilst disregarding “race” as a scientific method of demographical analysis. Therefore, I suggest we change the title to “Ethnical groups in Brazil”.

Sparks1979 15:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it looks like people aren’t participating in this talk page, so I will just go ahead and make the changes.

Sparks1979 12:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I just copied the contents of the talk page in "Race in Brazil" here. Sparks1979 12:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, I think race in brazil should be maintained. We know that their are a variety of ethnic groups in brazil, but what we need to know is how race is constructed. Belonging to a certain ethnic group is not the same as belonging to a certain race. In the US African Americans have are also part ethnic Europeans but are constructed as black. Muntuwandi 01:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The article cites percetage of genes, some without sources, and it has gone far beyond of how the races are constructed. If you are willing just to talk about how races are constructed then remove the DNA misinformation from there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.26.89.207 (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Overall writing style

I don't know how to flag things, but can someone please see to it that this is worked over for grammar? There are some really bad parts here.