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Contents 1 FireFox leaving 1.1 Alert! Abandoned Fox! 1.2 FireFox is back now 2 Well, uh...I'm new. 3 Confused 4 Update on charter amendments 5 New 6 Esperanza Front Page 7 Bonjourno 8 Members list 9 Request your thoughts requested regarding 3RR 10 Un nuevo miembro 11 Would Esperanza be useful in helping me find Wikipedians to collaborate with on articles? 12 Wikipedia:Facebook 13 Direct 14 Wikibreak 15 deleted Image:Friendship_is_a.jpg which seems to criticise EA as a dead end friendship 16 Yo, What's Up? 17 Next Advisory Cmm. Meeting 18 I be new! 19 Just had to share this with someone... 20 I'm new to Esperanza. 21 Well, Hello 22 Not to be a pain 23 Er, "hi" and stuff 24 Esperanza, a good group. 25 Next AC meeting 26 Front page redesign wrapping up! 27 A month and a day late Esperanza anniversary 28 Help 29 Hi Esperanza! 30 New Page is Up! 31 Newcomer: SaturnYoshi 32 New design 33 Most recent AC meeting and September elections 34 Front page new layout 35 how about a navigation bar for Esperanza pages? 36 Is there a guideline along the lines of Wikipedia:Be kind? 37 Join? 38 Voting for the September Elections 39 Strive 40 Newsletter 41 New Member 42 Hello 43 I need your help 44 Hello 45 Hola! 46 Howdy Esperanza 47 Greetings... 48 Elections update 49 Space on the talk page for introductions 50 Less than a minute! 51 I'm considering joining Esperanza 52 Inactive? 53 Mascot 53.1 Poll 54 Hi! 55 I've just turned 15! 56 Hello! 57 I just joined 58 Username switching 59 Newsletter question 60 Here I am 61 Next meeting! 62 Humor

[edit] FireFox leaving

FireFox (talk · contribs) has deleted his user page and talk page. He is one of the best users Esperanza has. Please do anything to get him back. Send him messages on his talk page, email him, do anything; just get him back. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Please join in at the vigil for FireFox at User:FireFox. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 14:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alert! Abandoned Fox!

We have a stressed and out of his mind Wikipedian FireFox who has just left without notice! I need a volunteer to take care of his fox for now. Thank you for your cooperation.--Ed^{talk c E} 22:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I need volunteers!!!--Ed^{talk c E} 22:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you require help with? Geo. 19:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FireFox is back now

May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 15:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

This is just in my opinion, but I think he probably doesn't mean it when he says "I am leaving". He probably needs time to devandalise his user page, or takes short wikibreaks of 1-2 weeks. The Updater Stubmechanic 11:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well, uh...I'm new.

The little welcome template thingy says to say hi (and thank you, by the way, for welcoming me so kindly and promptly, I was very flattered)....anyway, hi. I'm Keakealani, you can call me Kea, or Keakea, or Keaks, if you want...I'm from Hawaii. More about me on my user page...otherwise, it's nice to be here. I always look for groups like this wherever I go, some place that's dedicated simply to being nice to other people, since that's my real skill (although I can get nasty when I'm mad, but I'll keep that offline, usually). Anyway, I'm rambling terribly, but...hello! —Keakealani •talk•contribs• 05:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It's very nice to meet you, Kea! We're glad to have you here at Esperanza, and it will be great to spread some niceness throughout Wikipedia with you. :) -- Natalya 05:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you ^_^ I recognise your name from around, as well. I'll probably be a ninja editor working on cleanup and help-y type stuff, but I don't know what path life will take me =P Anyway, thank you for the kind welcome! —Keakealani •talk•contribs• 06:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Just seconding the welcome. :) It's great to have you with us. Happy editing! -- Banes 07:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thirding ;) It's always great to see a new Esperanzian! Thε Halo ^Θ 10:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, as everyone else has been saying, welcome to Esperanza. Always nice to meet people, isn't it? --Ed^{talk c E} 15:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we've already met on #wikipedia-esperanza, but welcome anyways! Have a nice time here! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confused

Hi there, I have my name on the join up list for people who don't meet the requirements yet. Just wondering, do you need to have roughly 150 main edits or just 150 edits in total? Please help, I want to join soon! ps. I have 95 main edits and roughly 325 total edits. Thanks, Jam01 05:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's 150 total edits. If it is, then welcome to Esperanza :) --james^(talk) 06:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, depends. If you have 150 edits to your userpage or something like that, then chances are it really isn't that great. But I took a quick look at you contribs and they look fine. I see you've welcomed a lot of people, and that's a good sign for an Esperaznan. So I'd say you don't have anything to worry about :) Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 06:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

JoanneB answered this question really well in a thread a couple sections above; Wikipedia talk:Esperanza#non-member with a question. -- Natalya 16:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update on charter amendments

The two straw polls at the Governance page have concluded, and both amendements have been accepted. The changes have been made to the Charter, the diffs of which you can see here. Many thanks to everyone who expressed their feelings on this. -- Natalya 19:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New

I just wanna say hi!!!! to everyone and I wanna thank User:The Ungovernable Force for the lovely welcome message :) --Sergio Álvarez|nodoubt9203| ^{|talk to me||what i've done||e|} 01:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there Sergio (or do you prefer Nodoubt?), and a very warm welcome to Esperanza. Hope you enjoy it here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 01:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

No problemo. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!!! I prefer my name or my pseudonym: Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński --Sergio Álvarez|nodoubt9203| ^{|talk to me||what i've done||e|} 01:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to meet you, we're glad you enjoyed your welcome. :) -- Natalya 04:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I'm also new to esperanza. DavidJJJ 17:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to you too! :) --JoanneB 17:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to everyone who is new to Wikipedia and/or Esperanza!!! Please feel free to make yourself at home:D Thank you.--Chili14 00:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Front Page

Please take the time to vote on Esperanza's new front page design here. Scroll down to the bottom to vote. The proposed design may be found here.--Ed^{talk c E} 01:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bonjourno

I was told to say hi, so here I am! Hello!
I can't wait to get started, but work comes first. I'll be back soon. Doing good for the world.

Look out, world!

I'll try to get some green in my sig soon, I'm feeling left out... — Editor at Large ( talk) 17:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello there, it's lovely to meet you! I'm sure the world is as happy to have you as we are. :) -- Natalya 18:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm very glad I found out about this group. And I updated my signature... I now start with a green E. — Editor at Large ( talk) 19:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello from me as well! I hope you like it here. Great sig, btw :) Thε Halo ^Θ 20:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey there! :) --Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński ^{|talk to me||what i've done||e|} 20:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Greetings again, and many thanks! Funny story: I finally got around to welcoming some new people, and when checking my watchlist about an hour later I found that an anonymous IP had edited my message on one user's page like so. Thankfully it was reverted very quickly by Charlesknight! And I am working on my own message to send people, because I don't like being so impersonal just adding someone else's template and signing it. I hope I have lots of time tomorrow... — Editor at Large ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism can be pretty funny sometimes. Jfingers88 12:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! And nice to meet you!--Ed^{talk c E} 02:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Members list

I was just adding my name to members who wanted to join Esperanza and I was looking at the list of members, and I think the active/inactive/former/ lists need to updated. Any suggestions as to how to go about updating this? — The Future 23:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Being rather un-technilogically minded, the only way I can think of is to go through it manually, since there isn't really one source that says if someone has left Wikipedia or been indef blocked or something. -- Natalya 15:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Should we use a bot to do check the members? --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 15:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

No bot like that exists that I know of except the Rick Block admin update script he runs to check status' of admins, but that would take a lot more time to figure out than to manually check it, I think.. — The Future 21:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request your thoughts requested regarding 3RR

User:71.34.113.170 raised a question regarding 3RR on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy).

Carcharoth responded "Actual discussion, including moving stuff to the talk page to discuss it, trumps 3RR and Being Bold everytime, IMO."

My take on this is that what Carcharoth wrote sounds good but isn't true.

Here's what I wrote:

I disagree with Carcharoth's assertion that 3RR does not apply if there is discussion. If you get to the third contentious edit on anything, you should stop and take a breather. Discussion doesn't mean "I reverted your edit and here's why". Discussion means "I think your edit should be reverted and here's why".

Yes, I know this is really hard to do when there's an egregiously bad piece of text in article mainspace. You have to use your judgment. If the text says "John Seigenthaler was suspected of..." then you have to take it out and rely on the "gross violation of policy" defense. If, on the other hand, it's just a POV rant, then it's probably better to let it stand after your second attempt and let another editor step in. If this doesn't prevent an edit war, then issue an RFC and go through the dispute resolution process. Consider this (proposed) guideline: Other than slander, libel, copyright violations and incivility in the article itself, the biggest sin on Wikipedia is edit-warring. Avoid it at all costs. --Richard 19:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Some context for what I wrote... Some of you may remember that a few weeks ago, I wrote a message saying that I needed help because I was in the midst of a budding edit war with an anonymous editor who was putting in poorly written POV text. I had reached the 3RR limit and wanted to find a way to maintain Wikipedia quality without getting into an edit war and violating 3RR.

I came here and the response I got was two-fold: (1) Esperanza doesn't take sides in disuptes and (2) take a breather. Both of these comments, while frustrating at the time, turned out to be pretty good advice.

I found a sort of compromise with the anon that made him happier than it made me and the next morning another editor reverted the whole thing. The anon never came back so peace reigns in that corner of the Wikipedia universe.

Anyway, I have come to conclude that except for a few really egregious violations, the cardinal sin on Wikipedia is edit-warring.

Your thoughts and feedback are solicited.

--Richard 20:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Un nuevo miembro

Hola! Mi nombre es Chris, o Umdunno. This looked like the sort of group I would like to join as a Wikipedian, considering how much I believe in WikiLove as a concept (and how much I hate inter-Wikipedian fighting). So...good to be here! -Umdunno 23:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't speak much Spanish, but I actually understood what you said! I won't try and reply in Spanish, but we're glad to have you here! -- Natalya 01:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hola! Me llamo Ed. Soy de Estados Unidos. Y tu?
It is such a pleasant to meet you. Fortunately, I'm taking Spanish classes in my high school!--Ed^{talk c E} 01:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think English classes would be a bad thing either, Ed ;-) (a pleasant to meet you) Y Chris, ¿contribuyes al Wikipedia español? No contribuyo porqué es más pequeño que esta Wikipedia y puedo contribuir solamente con un nivel intermedio de español. ¡Hasta luego! :-) —Mets501 (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you insulting my English??? Must I tell you that I live in the US? And good for you, you speak intermediate Spanish. And me, I'm just a beginner =(--Ed^{talk c E} 01:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm just teasing you :-) You're younger than me (I think - considering you're a freshman and I'm a junior) anyway. Everyone makes mistakes :-) —Mets501 (talk) 02:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I was being sarcastic....Yes, I am a freshman. ¡Hasta mañana!--Ed^{talk c E} 03:08, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

¡Hola! Tengo una calificación en español, así mi español es intermedio. Me encanta hablar en español - es una lengua muy bonita. ¿Lo pienses? ¡Buenas mañanas y gracias! 87.113.21.174 08:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Estoy de acuerdo. Me gusta hablar en español también. Aquí, en Nueva York, hay muchos signos en español, y hay mucha gente que habla español, así que puedo utilizar mi español mucho.  :) —Mets501 (talk) 14:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Soy el IP :P. Sí - me gustaría practicar mi español más, pero vivo en Inglaterra, y no hay muchas personas que habla español :(. —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

No contribuyo al Wikipedia Espanol. Actualmente, no soy del mundo hispanohablante. Soy de los Estados Unidos, y soy italiano. Pero, mis primas viven en Espana. Either way, I appreciate everyone making the best effort of their Spanish. A good refresher for my Spanish III Accelerated class! -Umdunno 16:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

¡Muy bien! Un esperanziano hispanohablante, y orgulloso a mostrarlo. Bienvenidos. Y es ‘la Wikipedia española’, porque es ‘la enciclopedia’. »ctails!« =hello?= 17:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm just a Spanish student in America too but I like Spanish a lot! —Mets501 (talk) 02:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Gato. Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 08:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The translation to that is "cat".....--Ed^{talk c E} 12:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would Esperanza be useful in helping me find Wikipedians to collaborate with on articles?

A couple of weeks ago, after a conflict with an anonymous user, I declared my Wikilife to be in a state of crisis. Natalya left an encouraging note on my talk page. One of my problems was that I was facing difficulty finding Wikipedians to collaborate on articles. She suggested I join Esperanza as they could help me find Wikipedians to collaborate with.

My goal on Wikipedia is to contribute information to articles on my interests, and to make Wikifriends who share my interests. Therefore, I envisioned a system of collaboration. For example, let's say I wanted to make RuneScape a good article. I find three or four other editors who play RuneScape and wish to collaborate with me. We then work on the article: adding content and images, identifying and fixing problems, and ensuring the article meets Good Article criteria. Eventually we will send the article for peer review and nominate it for Good Article. While we discuss on the talk page about how to improve the article, we are likely to get to know each other and become Wikifriends.

Unfortunately, I have not been successful in finding Wikipedians to collaborate with. This, coupled with several other issues, including anonymous vandals and a dispute over the Homerun redirect, has caused me stress. Natalya has touted Esperanza as a way to find Wikipedians to collaborate with. Therefore, I wish to ask whether Esperanza would really be helpful in helping me find Wikipedians to collaborate with. Currently, Esperanza seems like a community of Wikipedians who send well-wishes to those who are stressed.

My interests include computers/websites and Singapore TV shows/movies. I have a to-do list on my userpage which you should consider checking out. If you are interested in collaborating with me on any of the articles listed there, please drop a note on my talk page.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 12:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Have you checked out the various WikiProjects? They're a good way of collaborating with others, though some projects are more active than others. Good luck. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I joined the WikiProject Computer and video games to cover the Neopets, RuneScape, AdventureQuest and Chip's Challenge articles. What I need is a WikiProject for Singapore TV shows/movies. I discussed on the Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board about plans to create a WikiProject Singapore, but the proposal fell through. Would Esperanza be useful here? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe there's people at WikiProject Television (or Film) who focus on Singapore. But if you want to start a wikiproject, I recommend just doing it. (I did that with WikiProject Figure Skating - there's no acceptance process; you just do it.) There seems to be a significant community of Singaporeans on en.wp, and I'd bet that if you started a wikiproject you'd get quite a few members, even if support seemed lackluster at Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board. In fact I'm quite surpised one doesn't exist already. --Fang Aili ^talk 13:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.. well, Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board looks to be the equivalent of WikiProject Singapore (and Wikipedia:WikiProject Singapore even redirects there). Is there some reason you can't collaborate with those folks? --Fang Aili ^talk 13:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I echo Fang Aili's suggestions about just starting the Wikiproject. People are often reluctant to start something on their own, or help to organize it, but once something has been established, they could be a lot more likely to join it and help out. -- Natalya 00:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Facebook

I think Wikipedia:Facebook is a great initative; it adds alot to the spirit of the community to actually see who it is you are talking to and working with. I think it would be great if more people contributed to it, there is hardly any! Have a look and see for yourself. Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 08:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you very much. I do not want to put my real face on Wikipedia because of what will happen to me when certain people find out, but I am searching for a creative way to illustrate myself to the Wikipedia community. I wish everybody knew about it!--Chili14 00:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are more "creative" ways to put yourself there, for users (such as myself) who value their anoninmity. Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 06:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Direct

I am back. Give me something to do. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 21:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak

I know I'm kinda new to Esperanza and stuff but school's getting pretty stressful and I'd like to say thanks to all here who've been so kind, but I can't devote my time to Wikipedia like I have this summer, but I think I'll sneak in some wikitime ^_^. I just wanna thank everyone here at Esperanza! --Sergiusz Szczebrzeszyński ^{|talk to me||what i've done||e|} 00:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No need to thank any of us. We've really enjoyed having you around, and talking with you. I'm sorry to hear that school's so stressfull, but glad that you might be able to sneak on now and then ;) I hope things get less stressful soon, and you can come back on. Best of luck until then. Thε Halo ^Θ 10:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

We'll be glad to see you whenever you get the time. :) Good luck with school! -- Natalya 00:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] deleted Image:Friendship_is_a.jpg which seems to criticise EA as a dead end friendship

I have deleted from the main Esperanza page the image Image:Friendship_is_a.jpg (available from Wikimedia Commons) which in my interpretation seemed to criticise Esperanza as a dead end friendship. If anyone disagrees with this, please discuss the appropriateness of the image. Thank you. --Tachikoma 02:06, 6 September 2006

After thinking about it, I suppose that User:Gmaxwell may have intended to suggest that friendship in of itself is the end or destination. I hope he will understand that the image that he had inserted is open to interpretation and may not say to all users what he meant. I also hope he will understand if I suggest that the image not be reinserted on the page, precisely due to this risk of misinterpretation. Please don't feel offended, it's nothing personal. This message has been copied onto the user's talk page as well. Sorry for the trouble. --Tachikoma 02:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to add that I'm sorry if I misjudged this user. To quote from one of my favorite TV shows, "occasionally, I can be callous and strange." Again, sorry. --Tachikoma 02:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh thank you for your kind response. Actually, I was aware of the double meaning when I put it up. I wanted to see what others would think about it. I don't object to it coming down, although it is an interesting picture. Thank you for your consideration. --Gmaxwell 02:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll reply here, since that's what you have done. Now I feel really bad about jumping to conclusions about your intentions. I'm truly sorry. --Tachikoma 02:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yo, What's Up?

Hi. I was told to introduce myself at the talk page, so here I am. Some of you already know me from the Coffee Lounge though. Eilicea 15:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm one of the people who don't know you from the Coffee Lounge, so it's great to meet you! I know you've already got a welcome on your talk page, but, hey, I might as well say it here too: A very big, warm welcome to Esperanza. I really hope you like it here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Do you know how I can get a template which says I'm a member of Esperanza? Eilicea 15:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Certainly do ;) Go here, go down the page until you find the banner section, choose the one you like best, and then copy and paste it to your page. There's also some userboxes there, if you're interested :) Thε Halo ^Θ 15:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice to see you here, Eilicea! -- Natalya 00:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next Advisory Cmm. Meeting

When will the next AdvCom meeting be, just curious? WikieZach| talk 00:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

In time to run the September elections (terms end on the 30th); as always, advance notice will be given to everyone if you have something that would like to be brought up. -- Natalya 00:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I be new!

Hey there! I've become fairly addicted to Wikipedia recently, so I thought I'd join Esperanza and see what it's like. Thanks to Sasuke-kun27 for the welcome, by the way!

So, I might as well introduce myself a bit. I'm a 19-year-old Computer Science student from Ireland. I've been obsessed with computers ever since I was a kid, and I can't survive a single day without banging my head to some heavy metal. I also like pizza. Mmmhmm; lovely stuff.

Well, that's me. Hello! ~Inkiиgton 01:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Inkington, nice to meet you! :-). I love computers as well. And pizza :-) —Mets501 (talk) 02:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

We're glad to have you here! -- Natalya 20:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! :) --Coredesat talk. o_O 20:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just had to share this with someone...

I know this isn't exactly related to the mission of Esperanza but I just had to share this with someone.

So... I was using the Lupin filter of recent changes to do some RC Patrulling. Up comes this article Poutine which matches the keyword "poo" (used in providing the pronuncination of this French word). I figure "OK, that's a reasonable use of the syllable but, hey, what's this article about? Is it a hoax? I mean food that looks like poo and has a name that sounds like poo? Come on. This can't be for real." So, I read the article and was pretty suspicious until I saw the CBC link. Ya know, this might actually be legit. Anytime somebody makes fun of our American low-brow culture, I'm gonna reference this bit of Canajun culture.

P.S. If this does turn out to be a hoax, I'm gonna be SOOOO embarassed.

--Richard 06:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Haha. There is such a thing as poutine, it doesn't taste very good, and it is pronounced as "poo", I guess just because the French (Canadians) are silly :P ~ Booya ^Bazooka 07:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes poutine does in fact exist in real life. It's actually one of my favorite foods. French fries+Gravey+Cheese Curds=delicious. You mostly find it in eastern Canada, probably not any farther west than Toronto except at Ski Resorts. Nearly every ski resort in Canada or the US will probably serve poutine on their cafeteria menu, and it's worth trying. Yum. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 17:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought you were talking about Poitín for a moment there, a frankly dubious substance that I occasionally use to frighten visitors away!
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 18:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming coincidence? I think not! :P Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 22:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no Cabal. No, seriously. Really. Not kidding. What? You don't believe me? Why not. I'm serious. No Cabal. None. I promise. Absolutely. No, I'm not holding anything behind my back ... - CheNuevara 01:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm new to Esperanza.

Hi. I'm suit-n-tie. I edit on wikipedia and I joined Esperanza tonight. You can know more about me on my page.--suit-n-tie

Hi Suit-n-tie, a very big warm welcome to esperanza!! It's really great to meet you, and I hope you enjoy it here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 10:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It's very nice to meet you - I hope you enjoy yourself here! -- Natalya 14:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Your username's awesome! —Mets501 (talk) 16:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Um...Thanks...Why are you so happy?--Suit-n-tie 19:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It's just the Esperanza way, I suppose. :D -Umdunno 20:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza! :D --Coredesat talk. o_O 20:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well, Hello

Hi. I saw a couple of memers on this group, but I hadn't joined till after today when I gave an admin a barnstar for humor and saw that he was also a member of Esperanza. You can find me on the IRC server, as I have allready joined (I go AFK alot so just say my name or PM me and I will reply). And thank you to Sasuke-kun for the welcome message. DemosDemon 20:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! FellowWikipedian 21:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not to be a pain

But I created a subpage at User:Umdunno/Esperanza, but I can't seem to change my "o" green to link it up. I tried following the instructions, and since I couldn't find a "Nickname" section, I copy/pasted to the "signature" section, except that left me posting the letter "o" as a signature. Que es la problema? -Umdunno 21:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you set your preferences to a raw signature? DemosDemon 22:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

La problema es que necesitas reemplazar sólo uno de las letras de tu apodo con el vínculo a Esperanza. Actualmente, puedes inscribir:

--[[User:Umdunno|Umdunn]][[User:Umdunno/Esperanza|<font color="green">o</font>]]

En ves de todos (y algo de) los contenidos en la caja. Después, necesitas marcar "Firma sin enlace automático". ¡Muchas gracias! —Celestianpower ^háblame 22:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

(translation) The problem is that you need to replace only one of the letters from your signature with the link to Esperanza. Actually, you can enter:

--[[User:Umdunno|Umdunn]][[User:Umdunno/Esperanza|<font color="green">o</font>]]

Instead of all (and any) of the contents of the box. Then, you need to check "Raw signature". Many thanks! —Celestianpower ^háblame 22:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Gracias, amigos! -Umdunno 02:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Er, "hi" and stuff

I thought it was about time I actually joined in with the community after spending a few weeks committing random acts of editing. My first day as an Esperanzan (is that a real word? I suppose it is now) seems to have mostly involved reverting other people's edits and playing with userboxes, which seems like a potentially rather inauspicious start. I'll try harder. Hopefully.

Anyway. Er, "hi".
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 23:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It's never too late to change =).--Ed^{talk c E} 23:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It is actually Esperanzian, but you were close. Consider particiapting in some of the programs here at Esperanza. They can be a lot of fun! -- Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  03:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, he's right... according to the faq, it's Esperanzan... no I DemosDemon 06:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I've only been here five minutes and I seem to have already caused some discord. :)
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 13:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

You know, there was this disscussion in the coffee lougne not long back, and it was decided that both was okay :) And don't worry about discord Chris, we're just gald to have you here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 13:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Chris, look what you did!!! Now there's a HUGE argument on how to call ourselves! =) Personally, I like Esperanzian.--Ed^{talk c E} 14:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:LAME? :P Just kidding. --Coredesat talk. o_O 21:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

(Ignores Coredesat.) Celestianpower agrees with me. (See FAQ history.) -- Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  21:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Now now, I was kidding. :P But anyway, welcome to Esperanza, Chris! :D --Coredesat talk. o_O 21:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

"It might be spelt Esperanzian, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove". Sorry, but someone had to say it! Anyway, thanks for the welcome, everyone.
—Chris (blather • contribs • e) 21:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

HAH! Have to change something when there's a mistake... that's what's good about wikipedia. So is it with an I or not... now I'm confused... DemosDemon 22:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Depends... do you like the letter I? james^(talk) 22:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza, a good group.

EA is a good group that greatly enhances Wikipedia Civilty! •Sean•gorter• 09:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, we're a great bunch. Pats on the back all around, I say! Thε Halo ^Θ 10:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next AC meeting

The next meeting of the Advisory Council will be held this Sunday, 17 September 2006. Please add any topics that you would like to be discussed to the section at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Advisory Committee Meeting September 2006. Thanks! -- Natalya 14:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Front page redesign wrapping up!

For those of you who haven't been watching the page, the Esperanza front page redesign has pretty much finished! Everyone is invited to take a look at the final design; if there are no issues found, it will go live in a day or two. Lots of people have put lots of hard work into it, so be sure to take a look! -- Natalya 14:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to say that we need as much constructive criticism as possible. Everything can be tweaked if people feel there is a problem. Our visual goals were to make the page less cluttered, more clean, and easier to navigate. Our content goals were to get directly to the point and better describe what Esperanza is (less stuff that some people consider "wishy-washy," more stuff about what we actually do). Let us know either on the page linked above or in this thread here whether we've accomplished that, and if there is anything visually or content-wise that you would change. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 16:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I for one like it. It looks a lot more professional then the previous page and seems a lot more navigable and less cluttered. Using the day by day calender looks a lot cleaner than having the whole month up. The projects listing at the bottom is very clean as well. I don't really have much criticism to give, it's Very well done. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 17:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A month and a day late Esperanza anniversary

Thanks to the good memories of Ed, and NoSeptember, it was discovered that Esperanza's one-year anniversary was on August 12th. It wasn't realized until a couple days ago, so I thought we could at least celebrate a month late, and recognize it on the 12th of September. But of course, with how well I manage to do with time zones, it turns out that with UTC, it's now actually the 13th of September. But regardless, I just wanted to wish all of Esperanza a very happy month-and-a-day-late Esperanza birthday! We have done some great things as Esperanzians, and I look forward to it continuing for a long while. Keep it up! -- Natalya 01:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hooray, Esperanza! -- Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  01:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please view Wikipedia:Esperanza/Proposals#Holiday Committee to see the current plan to solve this problem. The proposal is still a speculation, but I think it is a great way to make sure our holidays are more remembered and celebrated. running out to buy some candy for Halloween!!!--Ed^{talk c E} 01:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

A month and a day late Esperanza anniversary?? Let me get those streamers and balloons ;) Thε Halo ^Θ 10:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay! Party! -- Banes 10:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Hey everyone, when I typed in Alphabet Spaghetti into Wikipedia and it came up with no results - I was pysically sick. So help me make Alphabets (pasta) a great article. I need your help! Thanks, Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 06:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance, but is this the same thing or slightly different than Alphabet soup? EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 15:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Forgiven. Non, Alphabet soup is soup and Alphabet Spaghetti is pasta! Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 10:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Esperanza!

I'm new and looking at stuff on this WikiProject... Auroranorth 12:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Is this really a WikiProject?--Chili14 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Page is Up!

New page is up! Check it out EA! Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 04:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the navigation section be moved to the top of the page?--TBCTaLk?!? 00:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't like the new calendar. If there aren't any anniversaries, why do we have to have the thing say "user" "user" and "user" again? In fact, it might be easier to use an ifexist: thing when it is empty, which it should be if there are no anniversaries. People can follow guidelines if they want to create an appropriate page. Jfingers88 03:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The calendar is meant to be very simple and easy to use. The User was the first thing that I put in when I was reorganizing the calendar. I have sinced changed it to None as per Celestianpower's suggestion. The goal of the calendar is to have every event covered in the future. There are plenty of users who are not on the calendar, and a project would be to fill it up. I originally added User to make it simple for a future user to add in a name. – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  15:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newcomer: SaturnYoshi

Good day to everyone. I am happy to announce that I too have joined this wonderful commitee known as Esperanza. I would also like to personally thank Sasuke-kun27 for welcoming me in such a hasty fashion. Let us all strive for excellence!! -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 23:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza! :D --Coredesat talk! 20:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello, SaturnYoshi! I'm sending off an Esperanza balloon with a welcome message for you ;-D -- Editor at Large • talk 16:30, 17 September 2006 (EST)

Thank you!!! You all are too kind!  :D -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 21:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New design

Just like to say, the new design is great. Well done, Highway ^Daytrippers 17:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Seconded! Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 07:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most recent AC meeting and September elections

The September AC meeting recently finished! A summary of the meeting can be found at the meeting information page, as well as in the newsletter that will soon go out, but just in case you miss it, here is the gist of things that happened:

• The proposals page has been updated, with some proposals being archived.
• Since the program in development Appreciation week is getting lots of good ideas, it will be having a separate page made for it.
• The September 2006 Council elections will open for nominations on 18 September 2006. The voting will run from 25 September 2006 until 30 September 2006. If you wish to be a candidate or a member of the elections staff, please list yourself!
• The new Esperanza front page design has but put up - many thanks to all who worked on it!
• TangoTango has written a script for a bot that will list new members of Esperanza, which will help those who welcome new Esperanzains greatly!

Most notable on that list is the September 2006 Council elections! If you wish to be a part of the council, or to help with the election staff, please list yourself at the elections page.

As always, if you have any questions, drop me a line. Enjoy your evening/afternoon/morning! -- Natalya 22:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Natalya, you spelled Appreciation wrong. I know I'm not supposed to correct talk comments but what you wrote is like an address to the Esperanza community. I hope you can forgive my in changing the spelling.--Ed^{talk c E} 23:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Today is not my best spelling day - thanks for the correction, Ed. :) -- Natalya 01:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Appreciation week casn be seen here. Regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 11:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Front page new layout

Hi everybody. I am experiencing a problem viewing the new front page. I got a Mozilla 1.7.1 browser and i see nothing but a big green background. Anyone's having the same problem? -- Szvest 11:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

Yep! I'm using Firefox 1.0.7. -- Merope 20:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

And We are not sure how to fix that. One of the reasons I will most likley not switch to firefox. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 20:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to find out what is wrong with the markup. If anybody has any ideas post it here thanks. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 21:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

As a note, I have no problem with the page with Firefox 1.5.0.7. A couple questions for the people having problems:

1. What page does it edit when you click "edit" on top right of the big green square?
2. Do you have any problems with Portal:Architecture?

Thanks in advance for your responses. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 21:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The answer to number one is "Esperanza/programs". I have no problems with Portal:Architecture. -- Merope ^Talk 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I've put up a temporary fix that incorporates the new material but works in Firefox and IE. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I think that a page that is visible to everyone is more important than a page that looks great to some but is unreadable to others. I hope this will serve while we figure out how to fix the other template. -- Merope ^Talk 22:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm. I've updated Firefox to 1.5.0.7 and the old version works great. Hmmmm. Maybe we could restore it with a note that says "if it doesn't work, upgrade"? Grrr! -- Merope ^Talk 22:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to include a checkbrowser? - CheNuevara 22:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok with Merope's quick fix is there anymore problems? Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 23:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The page looks funny to me... mainly, I'm getting a lot of Portal:box-header type links in there for some reason. Is that how the temporary page is supposed to look? Danny Lilithborne 04:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm getting those now, too. What up? At any rate, tomorrow I'd like to look at Æon's sandbox version and play around with that, if it's okay. I'm not very good with layouts, but I am pretty decent at catching errors. The hack version I did really shouldn't stay. -- Merope ^Talk 04:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Err Sceanshot please? Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 04:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[1] Danny Lilithborne 04:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for working to figure this out, everyone Your hard work is appreciated! -- Natalya 14:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what is causing that as it should work in IE and firefox now without any problems. I will keep looking at the markup and find out. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I was going to work on it today, before I remembered that I upgraded my browser here at the office. D'oh! My home computer is still having that problem, so I'll try to check it out there. -- Merope ^Talk 18:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Merope I'm out of ideas on how to fix it. Hopefully we can fix it Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

If we eventually figure it out, let's see if we can get the calendar back where it was (not aligned with the news). It looked so much better that way.... EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 20:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's one of the (many) problems with using tables to do a layout, but it's functional. I hope that between Æon and others we can resolve this issue quickly. -- Merope ^Talk 20:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I made a slight switch with the EA Menu and the Calendar (not so much of a blank spot now at least). I know there has to be a way to make them line up correctly I'm just not sure what it is yet. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 00:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I combined the elements to eliminate the white space. Look at the history to see what I did. Not sure if it is the best approach, but it seems to work. – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  01:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks cool now! Thanks guys. -- Szvest 09:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign

Just to confirm; is the front page now displaying correctly for everyone, regardless of which browser is being used? -- Natalya 04:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] how about a navigation bar for Esperanza pages?

We already have a navigation bar of sorts on the Esperanza main page... how about a small navigation bar on the various Esperanza subpages, such as this page, the Coffee Lounge, the Alerts pages, etc.? I know that people can go to the main page and then go to another section of Esperanza, but a navbar on each subpage would save a little time. Any thoughts on this? --Kyoko 13:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That could work, but it would have to wait until some issues that came up with the new page are solved. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 18:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I realize it isn't exactly what you meant, but I'll mod Che Nuevara's wiki navbar to include complete ESP navigation; it won't take me very long. A navbar on the page would still be neat, but for those of you using my navbar I think it's a worthwhile addition. - CheNuevara 19:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Ooooo that looks good. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 19:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It's up -- just go to the navbar page and follow the "v 1.1E" link up top. As always, feel free to edit the code to include whatever you like, or ask me and I'll make alterations for you. - CheNuevara 19:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is there a guideline along the lines of Wikipedia:Be kind?

Hi,

I just wrote a message to a user suggesting that he could have been kinder to an anonymous editor who was unaware of the WP:3RR rule by explaining the rule rather than asking for a block when the anon went over the 3RR limit. I suggested that, while users are under no obligation to warn other editors that they are about to violate the 3RR rule, it is a reasonable courtesy to expect.

I suppose this comes under the general rubric of "Don't bite the newbies" but I was wondering if there was a guideline that expressed the sentiment that I'm talking about.

--Richard 18:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL, maybe? Kind of, anyway. Best, Moreschi 19:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think WP:BITE comes pretty close to what I had in mind. My point was that helping people understand what the rules are is more important than hitting them over the head with the penalty for violating a rule. Combined with WP:CIVIL, WP:BITE will do the trick for now. --Richard 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Join?

Ummm this might be a dumb question... but how do I go about joining Esperanza? -- Chabuk 19:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Esperanza/Members. It's all right there :) - CheNuevara 19:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not a dumb question. It took me a while to figure out how to do it as well. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 01:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voting for the September Elections

Voting for the September Elections is now open; support your fellow Esperanzians at Wikipedia:Esperanza/September 2006 elections/Vote! -- Natalya 01:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strive

I am starting a Strive campagin. The Strive banner is a minor award given to anyone that strives; for any reason. They may strive to:

• Make right decisons
• Contribute
• Fight vandalisim
• Be positive
• Help
• Create
• Protect
• Maintain
• For Loyalty
• For just any other reason were a Wikipedian Strives.

You don't just have to use it as an award. I put it on my userpage as a reminder to myself and others to Strive in everything they do.

Feel free to help.

Thanks, Dfrg.msc Image:DFRG. MSC.jpg 06:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I have given it to: user: Daniel.Bryant and User: Hossen27. Dfrg.msc Image:DFRG. MSC.jpg 07:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Here in Esperanza, we're all about relaxation, excitement, happiness, and all that other good stuff we want to promote. The banner looks a little bit..."bland" I should say. Maybe we could try to make a cool Experanzian design for the banner. I would be happy to help you if you need anything. The Strive things a good idea, except it's not...attractive.--Ed^{talk c E} 01:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes it looks like a good idea, just needs a bit of jazzing up by the fun people here at Esperanza - • The Giant Puffin • 12:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of this:

—Mets501 (talk) 12:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Needs more rainbow. And flowers. (kidding) Carson 01:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• That looks great! Congradulations: Mets501. Anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfrg.msc (talk • contribs)
  • Looks really colourful and fun. Great job - • The Giant Puffin • 17:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's better to have the 'e' in 'Strive' be green, Because the Esperanza logo is 'green', understand? (How did you make this, Mets501?)--•Sean•gorter• 10:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I get it - great work sean. It's all good though, I've given both and they could be given depending on the person or the page I suppose. Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 01:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

It's okay. I barely work for anybody. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! •Sean•gorter•^(Talk) 03:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter

Did anyone notice that the newsletter had Appreciation spelled wrong? I'm not trying to insult anyone though, just to bring it to the author's attention.--Ed^{talk c E} 02:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I feel like Appreciation has been mispelled many different ways this past week. It is a tough word, I guess. It has was fixed now. – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  02:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, this is the second time I reported a misspelled word.--Ed^{talk c E} 02:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the appreciation taken to make sure I can spell "appreciation" correctly. :D Sorry about the mistake. -- Natalya 11:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm still trying to figure out "has but put up" in #4 about the AC meeting ;). NoSeptember 05:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

What is going on here???!!! I think a grammar lesson would be beneficial to Esperanza. =) --Ed^{talk c E} 14:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Grammar lessons? The HORROR!!!!! ;) Thε Halo ^Θ 15:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Grammar lessons? Great fun. Try User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. Fantastic. Moreschi 15:38, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

This would be great! (Appreciation (noun):The state of recognition of excellence; Appreciate (verb, transitive): the act of recognizing excellence or merit; Appreciated (adjective, adverb) the state of being recognized for merit or excellence; Context: English teachers appreciate the correct usage and spelling of "appreciation". Your cooperation of using this sesquipedialian word is greatly appreciated. =) --Ed^{talk c E} 15:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

On a related note... Why isn't there a newsletter link on the main Esperanza page? I would think potential members would like to read up on what has been happening here, and of course, would not have received a copy. NoSeptember 20:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Normally there would be a link in the news section (which I will be updating in a couple hours. *slaps hand for not doing it yet*) How about a link to the "Latest newsletter" in the EA Links section? -- Natalya 11:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Great idea! Just make sure it doesn't cause drastic changes to the page design. =)--Ed^{talk c E} 23:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Member

Hey all! Joined Esperanza a few days ago and thought I'd drop an "I'm new" on the talk page. Currently I have a proposal on the table for a signature award. Great stuff going on here! - Mike 14:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mike, really great to have you here. I hope you enjoy yourself :) Thε Halo ^Θ 15:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Halo, much appreciated :-) - Mike 15:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to meet you both here and there, Mike. -- Natalya 19:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Haha! Thanks for the welcome. I hope to get pretty involved. You have good taste in web browsers according to your userpage :-) (I know, I'm a totla geek). I can't believe I missed the election voting cut off by one day! Augh! - Mike 02:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, now you'll know all the candidates well for the next election. (Yay Opera!) -- Natalya 11:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Opera? Natalya you traitor! ;) — FireFox ^(talk) _{18:01, 26 September 2006}

[edit] Hello

Just want to say hi - I'm new, and I was greeted a few minutes after I added my name to the list! I had been on Wikipedia for about one and a half months and had about 140 total edits when I learnt about Esperanza. I added my name to the "user who wanted to join but haven't meet the requirements yet" list. Although I had well above 150 total edits in a day after adding my name, I waited until I had above 150 main edits before I move my name to the "active" list. Hello again to all of you here, and thank you to User: riana_dzasta for welcoming me soo fast! Joshua Chiew 14:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Josh, it's great to meet you! So many great new people joining Esperanza :) I hope you enjoy it here. Thε Halo ^Θ 15:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ditto! I just joined too and I think it's great - Mike 15:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! :). —Celestianpower ^háblame 15:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

We're glad to have you with us! Yay more new faces! -- Natalya 19:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to EA! Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 00:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza! - • The Giant Puffin • 15:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Ditto :) — FireFox ^(talk) _{18:01, 26 September 2006}

[edit] I need your help

Hello, i have been experiencing a lot of wikistress, and have been directed to you.

can you help me?

--Maxasus 07:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Hi, Maxasus, how are you doing ? What has got you stressed ? Maybe I can help you. Jcam 11:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We can certainly try, Maxasus! I'm sorry to hear that you're stressed out; hopefully we can help you to relax and make some constructive edits. Esperanza is about being friendly and creating a community for the editors in Wikipedia, so that we can be surrounded by truly helpful and nice people, and do a better job creating this encyclopedia. Though you'll probably want to be around Wikipedia a little while before officially joining us (take a look at the membership requirements), if you like what we're about and want to join us, you are welcome to add yourself to the list of editors who want to join, but don't meet the requirements yet.

As for stress, we have a ton of ways to help combat stress. The stress alerts page lists editors who, like you, are feeling pretty stressed out, for whatever reason. If you add yourself there, people can see that and drop by your talk page and add a supportive note or a suggestion or just a smile to help you out. We also have a wide variety of programs that help to strengthen the community and relax people.

I hope this helps - good luck! And if you ever have any questions, just ask; Esperanzians are really nice people, we'll always be glad to help. -- Natalya 11:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi I am Seadog, I have joined Esperanza not to long ago. I fell that the goal is very good. I always thought that in order to run an encylclopedia you have to have a sense of community.--Seadog--fly on....littlewing 20:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Good job! Have fun!!--Chili14 22:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Awesome - nice to meet you! -- Natalya 23:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome :) -- Joshua Chiew 09:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome, its always good to see new members - • The Giant Puffin • 14:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Seadog, good to have you here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 13:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hola!

My name is Lucas, AKA PrometheusX303. As you might guess from my username, I'm a fan of Stargate. I joined Wikipedia December 11, '05 after one anonynous edit. I'm a vandal-fighter and use Vandalproof as my main weapon, pop-ups as backup. I believe in calm and peaceful discussions of disputed content. Prometheus^-X303- 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza! Nice to meet you! —Mets501 (talk) 00:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

You sound well-accustemed to Wikipedia! Great to have you with us. -- Natalya 02:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome, you'll fit in just nicely =-) - • The Giant Puffin • 10:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, good to have you. Thε Halo ^Θ 13:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Howdy Esperanza

Hello all, I joined Esperanza about a week or two ago, but I never got around to saying hi, so hi! I like greeting new users with a welcome and generally contributing to content in Wikipedia. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 02:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cielomobile! Glad to have you hear at Esperanza! Have fun! —Mets501 (talk) 02:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

It is amazing to me how many people fill up this talk page evey time I look at it with how they are new. There is a new one every time I look. This is a very popular page.--Chili14 04:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome, welcome! Hope you enjoy it here :) Thε Halo ^Θ 13:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings...

Just joined Esperanza. Thanx to Jaedza for the welcome ! I hope to be active in Esperanza for a long time, and hope my contribution will be a positive one for me and for other members. Jcam 11:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We hope so too, and I'm sure it will be! Glad to see you here. -- Natalya 16:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Seconded, it's great to have you with us! All the best -- Banes 21:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Thirded (or whatever it is after seconded). Hope you like it here, and it'll be great to get to know you :) Thε Halo ^Θ 14:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Forthed? - • The Giant Puffin • 15:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elections update

If you weren't already aware, the elections have concluded! If the elections staff could verify all the votes, that would be great, and then we can officially welcome the new Council members. Many thanks to all the candidates and everyone who participated! -- Natalya 00:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to mention it, but if whoever on the elections staff goes through the votes could just let us know here when they're done, that would work out nicely. Thanks! -- Natalya 17:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I've checked all the votes for the election and everything seems to be in order. Canadian-Bacon ^{t c e} 20:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats to everyone who won, and to those who lost, try again next time!!!--Chili14 01:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Lovely! Then I'd like to officially welcome Celestianpower, Shreshth91, and The Halo as the newest council members. Congratulations to everyone who ran in the elections, and thanks to everyone for supporting your fellow Esperanzians!

Since the Admin Gen is re-chosen by the council after every election, we will shortly be taking care of that (by email, since that worked out well last time), and will report as to what has been decided. -- Natalya 15:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Space on the talk page for introductions

As much as I love hearing from all the new Esperanzians (I'm serious, too! :), the large number of new topics may be making the page rather long rather fast; how do people feel about creating one topic at the top for everyone to introduce themselves? That way, there will not be a whole host of new topics, but new members will still be able to be welcomed here. -- Natalya 11:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Why not a Esperanza/introduce page or something similiar to that ? Jcam 11:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, a subpage will work fine. Joshua Chiew 13:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We could do that too, but I imagine it wouldn't be as noticed as if it were on the main talk page (and therefore, people might feel like it was more of an obligation to check it than to see it here on the main page and welcome people). -- Natalya 16:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

We don't want to make it too confusing for new users, and many of the new Esperanzians who come to this page to say hello are also fairly new to Wikipedia. I would simply continue to let them post greetings threads here, but then some of us can archive those threads after about 3 days or so, while letting the threads on other topics for the full length of time. That would shorten the page without confusing any newbies. NoSeptember 21:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with NoSeptember - Che Nuevara 21:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I say that we have a bot that archives our talk pages every 3 days or so. I know that WP:ANI uses a bot. Maybe we can ask the owner if he/she could program the bot to archive our page as well.--Ed^{talk c E} 22:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the Lounge use Werdnabot? Why not just use it here too? - Che Nuevara 23:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

(unindent)Werdnabot would be great! Once the AC is elected, then they may make that decision. Unless Natalya can make the immediate decision, of course...--Ed^{talk c E} 23:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I found out what the bot for ANI is User:EssjayBot II run by Essjay. We must ask him for permission first.--Ed^{talk c E} 01:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

We might not want to have an automatic archival or the talk page, just because some discussions can go on for longer than however many days it might be decided to have the automatic archival. I imagine that archiving the introduction messages would have to be done by hand, but it doesn't seem like it would be too hard, and pretty much anyone could take care of it. We could archive the introduction messages once they're five days (or any number) old, to be put in a section of the archives? -- Natalya 05:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Just done it by hand. Automatic archival might archive on-going discussion and cause confusion. Joshua Chiew 06:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think that Essjay's bot would work. You see, at ANI, the bot looks at the LAST TIMESTAMP in each incident report. If no one has responded on the ANI report within 24 hrs, then the bot will archive it. Same in this situation: as long as the discussion has been inactive for 3-5 days or so, then the bot can archive it. Everyone else is thinking that bots archive by looking at the FIRST post, but it's actually the LAST thread!--Ed^{talk c E} 15:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a bit of clarification: Werdnabot does the same thing as EssjayBot II. If we already are using Werdnabot in the lounge, it might be easier to use the same bot for this page. Just to keep it simple. – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  22:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Werdnabot sounds like a good idea. Shall we do 7 days, similar to what the Coffee Lounge does? There are very few threads that ever have meaningful activity after seven days of nothing. -- Natalya 00:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Seven days sounds good to me. -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 00:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

7 days sounds good, too. Does this need Council approval, or can we just establish this? --Ed^{talk c E} 01:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It can certainly be just established! Anyone is free to be bold and implement it, but if not, I will take care of it. Good job of working out a great solution, everyone! You guys are awesome. -- Natalya 05:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I went to go put the code onto the page, but when I was comparing the Werdnabot instructions to how it is set up at the Coffee Lounge, they seem to differ; is it only because the Coffee Lounge isn't a talk page, or should the code be different here too? Thanks, all of you who understand this better than myself. -- Natalya 17:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It's just because the Werdnabot instructions are substituted; I've tested it out on my user page and it seems to match that of Coffee Lounge. For the seven day time period as used on CL, use {{subst:User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Template|age=7|target=Talk:Esperanza/Archive}} at the top of this page, and it should all sort itself out. Laïka 18:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

In order for me to establish Werdnabot, I changed the format for the future archives by Archive CURRENTMONTHABBREV CURRENTYEAR. That way, Werdnabot's archival will be a simple process.--Ed^{talk c E} 00:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like everything is working out nicely - awesome! -- Natalya 19:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Less than a minute!

Major kudos to Sasuke-kun27. Not even a minute passed from when I had placed my nom de wiki on the Member page, that I had a bright spanking new {{subst:EA-welcome}} on my Talk page. You guys are GOOOOD! --Roninbk _{t c #} 00:18, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet you! And yes, we have hundreds of members right now, so that we can watch every page every second! A quick response is guaranteed wherever you post a message!--Ed^{talk c E} 00:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Hey, how did you do up that nifty green E link page? --Roninbk _{t c #} 01:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Complicated process

1. Go to User:Roninbk/Esperanza.
2. It seems like you know how to use raw signatures. Change you sig in a way that you can incorporate a green link to User:Roninbk/Esperanza. If you need help, use <font color="green"> INSERT A LETTER HERE </font>.
3. Go back to your Esperanza subpage and add {{Greene|user=Roninbk|char=THE GREEN LETTER THAT APPEARS ON YOUR SIG}}.
4. You are ready to go!--Ed^{talk c E} 01:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Howzdis? --Roninbk _{t c e #} 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! While waiting for your new sig, I changed mine, too!!!--Ed^{talk c} 01:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Very nice. I didn't have the foresight to pick a name with an E, so I make do... --Roninbk _{t c e #} 01:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to use an E....look at the comments above. Some have A's that are green!--Ed^{talk c} 01:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Other's have more than one letter. Sometimes none of those are "e"s. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I must go now. Let's hope someone else will be watching this page and reply to any questions you have in less than a minute!!! =) --Ed^{talk c} 01:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm considering joining Esperanza

Since my one-week block (see my talk page for an explanation of why I was blocked) has expired, I am considering joining Esperanza. This is partially due to the influence of several Wikifriends who are Esperanza members (namely Imoeng, Richardshusr and Terence Ong). Another reason why I am considering joining is that I am often stressed by Wikipedia (don't get me wrong - I enjoy writing articles, but anonymous vandals are a real pain), and Esperanza would help me cope with my stress better, so I wouldn't go berserk and do things I regret later (such as the actions which lead to my block).

Here's some background information about me: I have been editing Wikipedia for 8 months, and according to Essjay's tool, I have 1113 edits. I created Requests for feedback, a process to help contributors seek feedback on new articles they have written. I am actively involved in writing (and re-writing) articles, and am a member of the Good Articles WikiProject.

Based on the background reason, and the reasons I have provided for wishing to join Esperanza, do you think I am suitable? If so, I will join, and I hope you'll make me feel welcome here.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone is welcome to join Esperanza, providing they meet the minimal membership requirements, which you do. As I'm sure you know, Esperanza works to create a positive community amongst editors; vandalizing things pretty much works against this. We will be glad to have you here, and hope that you can relax a bit with us, but remember that vandalism, or anything of the sort, is directly un-Esperanzian. -- Natalya 11:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Natalya, I understand that vandalism isn't Esperanzian. I hope that Esperanza can help me handle stress better, so I will not resort to WP:POINT violations or vandalism. Since Esperanza looks suitable for me, and I meet the membership requirements, how do I officially join? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you've already done good things for Wikipedia and the blocking doesn't seem to be your fault. You get my support. Grab a cup of coffee! --Roninbk _{t c e #} 12:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Coffee? I prefer Milo. But thanks for your support. I'm glad my contributions are appreciated. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Join? Just add your name to the member's list. Hey, even I've joined. No one escapes, so it seems. And the "coffee", I suspect, refers to the Coffee Lounge.

Mind you, you're darn lucky to be here at all. That kind of vandalism and WP:POINTism almost invariably gets people an indefban. Clearly the blocking admin was an enlightened individual who realised that you had more good stuff to contribute to WP. Moreschi 15:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep, just add yourself to the members list. If you interested in stress relief, you might be interested in the stress alerts page, as well as the stressbusters program. -- Natalya 15:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes! I have know this person (user) while editing RuneScape. He is a good editor and I have no doubt he will make a great Esperanzian.--Ed^{talk c} 00:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inactive?

Is it just me, or does it seem like this page is suddenly inactive?--Ed^{talk c} 02:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it's not just you! The tide will ebb and flow though; it's been rather active lately, and I'm sure it will become so again soon. :) -- Natalya 03:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

These things go in stages. Active, not active, active again - • The Giant Puffin • 09:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you for helping me make the page active again. Now we all know what to do when this page gets inactive.....--Ed^{talk c} 00:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you get what I did??? I posted this message so that people will respond, making it active again. =) --Ed^{talk c} 01:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mascot

There's a semi-serious poll at Coffee Lounge about creating an Esperanza mascot (so far, the contest is between a lemming and a wombat). Should it be moved here to make the poll 'official'? Laïka 16:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I imagine we should find out if the general Esperanza community wants as mascot first... -- Natalya 17:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Nevertheless, should we set up a poll, even just "Should Esperanza have a mascot?" at this stage? Laïka 17:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems like a good idea to start a poll either now, or after the results of the elections have been made offical as the reaction at the coffee lounge seems to warrent this idea being looked at closer by everyone (and for anyone who hasn't seen, go check out some of the ideas there, especially the Mortal Wombat, whom I love ;) Thε Halo ^Θ 17:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I fully support the creation of a mascot, if we can find something cool. Any suggestions?--Chili14 01:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

A poll to see if people want a mascot should come first. We can then persue a mascot if the poll says so - • The Giant Puffin • 11:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to Be Bold and start a simple "yes or no" poll:Laïka 16:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poll

Should Esperanza have a mascot (design to be decided later)?

Yes

1. Laïka 16:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Eh, why not. Help to lighten the mood perhaps. Couldn't hurt anyways. -- Chabuk 03:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
3. Hemhem20X6 16:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No

1. Meh, too childish. Moreschi 16:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
2. Seems pointless, though this poll is considerably premature. Regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 17:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
3. Per above. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
4. To be serious, no. Esperanza has enough of a perception problem as is, without adding an official mascot. Talking about a mascot is all well and good on the coffee lounge page, but actually electing one risks reinforcing the perception of Esperanza as all "wishy-washy" that I thought we were trying to change. --Kyoko 17:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
5. No. Mascots are for athletic teams. Esperanza is a serious organization. --Ed^{talk c E} 22:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
6. I disagree, per reasons stated (by others) above. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 03:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
7. No. Its pointless, distracts us from other and more important activities, and wont achieve anything - • The Giant Puffin • 15:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
8. Per above. --Tone 11:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions

• If the Coffee Lounge wanted to unofficially elect a mascot for the Lounge, I think that would be alright, no? - Che Nuevara 20:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I disagree; the coffee lounge does not represent the whole of Esperanza. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 03:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
    • That's what I'm saying, Shreshth. If the Lounge wants a mascot, that's one thing, and it can exist without Esperanza having one. See? - Che Nuevara 03:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh, sorry! I misread that. I thought you meant the Coffee Lounge will elect a mascot for Esperanza. I guess it can elect a mascot for itself, and I agree with the idea. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 04:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

If the thoughts continue above as they have been, that might be a good compromise. -- Natalya 11:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I also thought the mascot would be for the lounge, and I think that will be fine. But for Esperanza as a whole, I think that each and everyone of us are Esperanza's mascots. Thε Halo ^Θ 11:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well said, Halo. --Kyoko 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The lounge electing its own mascot can't hurt, it is supposed to be a more informal place after all - • The Giant Puffin • 15:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

What type? Michael 05:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hi, everybody! I joined just a few minutes ago, and got welcomed only a few minutes after (thanks to Sasuke-kun27)! What a great sense of community! I hope I learn to fit in and help keep our encyclopedia going! -- P.B. Pilhet (Talk to me here) 21:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! I'm glad you joined. Hope to see you around :) — Editor at Large^(speak) 23:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Editor! -- P.B. Pilhet / (talk to me here) 23:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet you! -- Natalya 05:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza is a great community indeed! And trust me, you'll fit in nicely!--Ed^{talk c} 15:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys! -- P.B. Pilhet / (talk to me here) 16:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! BTW, that's a really nice sig! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 13:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I've just turned 15!

It's 7 October 2006 Singapore time, which means I am now 15 years old. (I have updated my userpage to reflect this.) Now that my block has expired, I will be editing as much as I can today. For the next two days, I will be editing sporadically; after my exams finish on 10 October, I'll be very active. How do I add myself to Esperanza's birthday calendar? (P.S. Do you serve chocolate cakes here?) --J.L.W.S. The Special One 02:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Esperanza/Calendar and follow the directions. ¡Cumpleaños felices! Let's have a fiesta!--Ed^{talk c} 03:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Not to put too fine a point on it but I think it's ¡Feliz cumpleaños! "años" may be plural but the counting of them is singular. Not being fluent in Spanish, I acknowledge that I may be wrong on this. In any event, Happy Birthday, Hildanknight. --Richard 04:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

"¡Feliz cumpleaños!" means "Happy Birthday!" You were right. Michael 05:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I just tried to add myself to the calendar. Did I do it right? Thanks for all the well-wishes. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 06:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not fluent either, I just used the online translator. =( Ed^{talk c} 13:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to tell you, you did add yourself correctly. Happy Birthday! – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  16:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to argue with the more fluent Spanish speakers, but isn't the Happy Birthday song: "Cumpleaños feliz...."--Ed^{talk c} 19:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard it "Feliz cumpleaños...." —Mets501 (talk) 19:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

In my Spanish class, I heard "Cumpleaños feliz..." in place of "Happy Birthday to you...". And we used the regular Happy Birthday tune that English speakers use. But my Spanish teacher might be wrong....--Ed^{talk c} 19:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I guess it depends on if you're treating the word "feliz" as an adjective or not. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 19:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the word "feliz" modifies "cumpleaños", therefore making it "¡Cumpleaños feliz!". However, if it's Christmas, wouldn't we say "¡Feliz Navidad!"?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed (talk • contribs)

Well, our Spanish teacher always taught us "¡Feliz cumpleaños!", yet the tune always went:

¡Cumpleaños feliz!

¡Cumpleaños feliz!

¡Te deseamos todos!

¡Cumpleaños feliz!

Meh. —Celestianpower ^háblame 20:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

For me, it was

¡Cumpleaños feliz!,

¡Cumpleaños feliz!,

¡Cumpleaños (nombre de la persona)!

¡Cumpleaños feliz!

(sigh) Why don't we have the Council resolve this problem???--Ed^{talk c} 00:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Though this topic is dead, I though this might be useful: es:Cumpleaños feliz. Regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 23:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

I joined Esperanza! Not recently, but I did...Hemhem20X6 16:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it was a few weeks ago.Hemhem20X6 17:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! Enjoy. Moreschi 19:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you editing with a broken wrist? Welcome, anyway! Hope you like it here. I see that you have already constructed a nice signature.--Chili14 00:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You have a broken wrist??!! Now I call THAT Wikipediholism!--Ed^{I'm lonely, talk to me} _contribs 00:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I just got a cast on today, before then I had a splint. I just hope that this helps me become ambidextrous. I only fractured it, the bone didn't need to be set.Hemhem20X6 00:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome, Hemhem! I hope you like it here! -- P.B. Pilhet / Talk 02:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Groovy--Atomic-Super-Suit^{What Have I Done?!} 04:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

(screams)Hemhem20X6 05:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It's nice to meet you, regardless of when you joined! -- Natalya 15:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I just joined

After seeing that several users I've come in contact with were part of Esperanza, I decided to check it out. As I read about it, I felt that it was a great idea. Too many times on Wikipedia I've seen a newbie who made a mistake, as I'm sure we all did when we were new, get scared away from Wikipedia. I've also seen too many cases of incivility. I want to help reverse that, in the most civil way possible. I also want to reward deserving people for their work, especially if it goes unnoticed. I've been a member of Wikipedia for over a year now, but until recently I didn't have a home internet connection. Since I can access Wikipedia more often, I feel I have time to start getting involved in the wiki community. Esperanza is very fast at welcoming people. I was a member for less than 5 minutes when I got my welcome message. I'm glad to be a part of this community, and look forward to getting more involved in it. Shardsofmetal [ Talk • Contribs ] 03:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, right, ahem....Welcome, man! I hope you have a good time in Esperanza!--Atomic-Suit-n-tie^{What Have I Done?!} 04:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Shardsofmetal. We welcome you to the tyrannical benevolent kingdom of Esperanza. Enjoy yourself! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 04:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome! I hope you enjoy it here. You may be interested in some of our programs which help us spread community throughout Wikipedia. Enjoy, and let us know if you have any questions. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 05:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Nice of you to come.Hemhem20X6 05:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It's great to have you with us! -- Natalya 15:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Username switching

Hello everybody. I would just like to tell you all that I have decided to switch my usage of the Wiki to this not-so-new account. I am the same person as Chili14, but now I am known as Chilifix. This account will be used for reverting vandalism, and to work on getting a certain article to Featured Article. I am ineligible to sign up for Esperanza again, as I do not have 500 edits. I will wait until it is the right time to sign up again. I have watchlisted this page and other essential EA pages, so I will know exactly what's going on. I will use Chili14 again, I just want to stretch the muscles of this one. Expect to see me a lot on Recent Changes patrol. Thank you and have a nice day.--Chilifix 05:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Chilifix, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank for your contributions. We hope you like it here and decide to stay.

Oh, you say that you're not a new user? Well, never mind then. Thank you all the same, and if you respond to this message, that will mean that you will be one edit closer to reaching the minimum requirements of joining Esperanza. BTW, I think that the requirements are for 150 edits, not 500 as you stated on the Esperanza talk page.

This message has been copied to Chilifix's talk page for its humourous content. --Kyoko 06:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It's good to see that you are experiencing some humor now, after what you have been through. Keep it up!!--Chilifix 22:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Chilifix. I feel better emotionally than I have for a long time. --Kyoko 06:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter question

Are non-members allowed to get the newsletter delivered? Just wondering.--Chilifix 19:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

No. You see, the newsletter is delivered by bot to everyone on the members' list. So to get the newsletter, you must be on the members' list.--Ed^{I'm lonely, talk to me} _contribs 21:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

If they are interested in the updates, they can always watch Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter, which will be updated with every new newsletter. -- Natalya 02:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, just did.--Chilifix 12:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here I am

Hi all, i m new(only few months) to editing and brand new to Esperanza. i hail from mumbai, india. Let's ROCKPrithvi raj 09:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet you, Prithvia raj! -- Natalya 11:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Namasté. --RoninBK_ETC 18:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

...and good luck. :) -- Banes 19:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next meeting!

Hello my friends, the next Esperanza advisory council meeting will be held on the 28th of October (next Saturday). Please add anything you would like to be discussed to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Advisory Committee Meeting October 2006. Thanks, and enjoy your day/afternoon/evening! -- Natalya 12:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! Have fun in Paris!!!--Ed^{I'm lonely, talk to me} _contribs 14:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humor

Who wants some humor? I'll have you roll on the floor laughing your *** off! •Sean•gorter•^{(T) (P)} 11:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm all for humor, but no profanity.--Chilifix 01:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the place where your humour will be best appreciated will be the Coffee Lounge. I suggest you direct your comments there. Cheers! --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 14:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actively trying to be funny isn't as effective. I prefer spontaneous humor. --RoninBK_ETC 18:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there a page which lists lots of jokes about Wikipedia? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

How about WP:BJAODN? I remember there used to be one in wikibooks, but it got deleted. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 14:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)