User talk:Esperanto41

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[edit] License tagging for Image:Cahill Butterfly Map.jpg

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[edit] Image:B.J.S._Cahill.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:B.J.S._Cahill.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] deleted image

Hi there, I didn't delete the image, I just nominated it for deletion. Anyways you should not restore it unless you can resolve the underlying copyright issue. The problem is that normally a library doesn't own the copyright to the contents of papers it houses. Who took the photo? That person is the owner of the copyright. Just because the library owns the physical copy of the photo does not mean it can release the rights for using the photo. If you do not have permission from the copyright owner, it is impermissible to include the photo here. Because Cahill lived so long ago, we should be able to find a picture of him that is dated before 1923, which would mean that its copyright has expired. Hopefully this clears things up. Calliopejen1 (talk) 07:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I would love for the image to be on Wikipedia, however, it is a copyright violation to have it posted. Please provide more information on the copyright status of the image. The library the image came from should be able to help you out. If the library holds the copyright , try requesting permiissin to use the image under a free license (See WP:COPYREQ). There is a good possibility the image is in the public domain and the library would possibly know. I deleted the image again. Please do not repost the image until copyright issues are resolved. -Regards Nv8200p talk 12:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


2008-02-12 Reply by Esperanto41 to CalliopeJen1 and NV8200p:


This is not a photo worthy of copyright quicksand. It is of a deceased and nearly forgotten architect and cartographer. The picture has no ID as to date (1930s?) or photographer, who is likely as long dead as his subject If some copyright claimant (and who the hell would that be??) wishes to step forward and demand its removal from Wikipedia, then there would be reason to examine the matter. Meanwhile, of course, I derive no commercial or monetary benefit from the image; this is strictly an academic, fair-usage posting. (Which will now go onto my own website.)

As you see, I notified the maze of libraries at UC Berkeley about my use of some Cahill materials, providing an opportunity for any objections to be raised; none were. To engage in a prolonged copyright search in that bureaucracy would be a profound waste of their time and mine on a makework triviality.

I regret and resent the uncalled-for meddling by both of you in a subject you have no interest in. You have degraded a worthwhile Wikipedia page for no better reason than legaloid dog-in-the-mangerism.

I also resent the fork-tongued notion that Jen did not delete the picture; only requested someone else do it. Oh, please.


Gene Keyes Esperanto41

The library does not own the copyright to the photo and so cannot give permission for its use. Wikipedia does not allow the inclusion of copyrighted photos solely on the basis that no one is likely to claim copyright. Wikipedia's goal is to be a resource for free information that is available even for reuse (including commercial reuse) by others, with no copyright concerns. We choose not to use images upt to the bounds of fair use, primarily because of our free content mission and only secondarily because of any possible liability concerns. Occasional exceptions can be made on Wikipedia to allow the inclusion of historic copyrighted materials, but this is possible only when it is shown that there are no public-domain alternatives. What have you done to investigate the existence of pre-1923 photos of Cahill? (That allows for photos in the first 56 years of his life.) Much of his most important work was done before 1923, so one would think that a photo would be available. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)