Talk:Eshu

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is the philosphizing in the last paragraph really appropriate for a wikipedia article? pauli 07:00, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Moved to here instead --stochata 18:33, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, when the underlying concepts of "angel" [from the Greek, "angelos" meaning "messenger"], and "angle" [from the Greek, "angkylos" bent, crooked] are wrestled with, perhaps what emerges is a God not so much malicious as informative, whether we choose to be informed of its not always kindly "Equal Opportunity God" nature or not?

Changed the word 'prototype' to 'example'. I felt, rightly or wrongly, that the word 'prototype' suggested Eshu was a primitive deity.

Checked out the 'Maltheism' article and changed it back; hadn't realised it was a specific movement rather than a general worldview.

brazilian vodun? unless we're talking about a brain of Dahomey-based haitian religion that has since emigrated to cuba, the yoruba based equivolent to santeria which developed independantly in Brazil is called Candomblé, and is much, much closer to Lukumi than to Vodun. also, exu/eleggua is a phallic deity, as well, which this article doesn't mention - the more malevolent versions of Exu/Eleggua are typically called Exu, while the more benevolent ones are called Eleggua. my main concern, however, is that at the bottom Candomblé seems to be refered to as 'Brazilian Vodun', which it is not. I'm aware of some hatian/dahomey sects that have since migrated to cuba, and my mentor is of the Ketu nation of Candomblé, so I can't speak as much to the Cuban tradition, but unless this is refering specifically to non-yoruba based traditions that are new to brazil, then that should be changed to Candomblé. If it IS referring to such sects, they would be minorities. Candomblé was much more widespread than Santeria until the recent diasphora to america, (there's not a comparably large exodus of Brazilian practitioners to america, so Candomble remains smaller than Santeria in america, though the traditions have extremely similar metaphysics, though divergant ritual pratices), so if it's not been mis-named here and is instead not mentioned at all, perhaps it should be. thanks!

I'm hardly an expert on the subject and know little more than cursory information, but my understanding is that in Santeria too, Elegua acts as an intermediary between humans and the other orishas.--4.245.23.44 04:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Musical crossroads

can some1 mention in the article this deities connection with the crossroads mentioned in blues songs. I think that is very important and not well known (i didn't know it til i stumbled upon this page).Scott Free 19:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eshu/Satan?

I do not know much about orisha, but I do know that Eshu does not translate as the devil, nor does his purpose and qualities. This is a general assumption with a very narrow, western attitude.

[edit] Re: Eshu/Satan

I agree. This is a false and highly ethnocentric statement. Christians and Muslims may associate Eshu with Satan, but the Yoruba people do not. Furthermore, no proper citation is provided, and the official wikipedia policy states that all unreferenced material is subject to being removed. I am removing the Satan comment. Wmmars (talk) 07:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)