Talk:Erwin König

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Opinions on whether we should move this page to Thorvald? Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 17:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure there should be an article for either, there is no evidence (apart from the russian sniper's words) that he exists. How could he be '..was reputedly the best German sniper during World War II, with more than 400 kills" and yet there is about no evidence he existed?? This page should be deleted unless it is being used for the charecter in the movie.user:ratzinger81

Any record of him was most likely destroyed by the Germans to save face. Since he was allegedly their best, it wouldn't make very much sense to admit publicly that he was killed by your enemies...not good propaganda. I think the article should stay, even if there is no proof for his existence other than word of mouth; he seems to be mentioned a lot and is obviously an important figure. --Mad Max 06:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I completely disagree. There was no SS presence in Stalingrad, a man of the rank of Standartenfuehrer would have an entire staff traveling with him. Quite the contrary, he would have been made a German martyr. The idea of 'saving face' is something more Soviet in orgin. I say rewrite this article as fiction, because that is exactly what he is.

I agree. The idea alone that Germany would sent a sniper to Stalingrad just for the point of killing one single man, an objective that is, given the size of the battle, pretty much impossible, is rediculous. And then of course there is no evidence. What about his rank insignia? His dog tag? Any German documents? Surviving dependants? ANY EVIDENCE? Sure a man as important would've been known to SOMEBODY, right? This is simply fiction. Get real.

The rank of Major is equivalent to a Sturmbannführer, not a Standartenführer. A Standartenführer is equivalent to a Colonel. --Delos 02:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

It would simply make no sense to destroy evidence that he has ever existed. If he was too important to get killed, he should be at least a known person to others.. a war hero or something like that. The Nazi leaders had

confessed the dead of every propaganda hero, simply because it can´t be hidden for all time. Some close relative, friend or the people who heard the propaganda would ask questions. The existence of this sniper with the ridicolous rank of a major is nothing more than hoax.

As far as moving the page to Thorvald, I don't think it matters that much as long as they are linked. The movie "Enemy at the Gates" used the Koenig name - so for better or worse, thats what many people will search for.
Far as removing the article altogether, I disagree with that. Wikipedia has articles on all sorts of legends, modern urban legends, etc etc. Nothing wrong with it as long as they are dealt with objectively. For example, why have an article on Bigfoot if you can't have one for Koenig? (Silly example of course, but just to make a point)...Engr105th 22:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] spoiler

i've removed the spoiler. It was absolutely useless, and i suspect it was put here intentionally. --Lo'oris - ロホリス 23:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logical error

If there was no SS in Stalingrad that only refutes the claim that the man was a member of the SS, not his very exsistence. That claim was made in a NOVEL, not a historical account. Soviet sources never claimed that he was a SS Colonel, but a Major in Wehrmacht. So, once again - nothing is proven or disproven historically. You should separate the claims made in "War of The Rats" from th Soviet WW2 claims. The 400 kills claim I find in this article first. Where did whoever wrote that get that from?

I agree, and have restructured the article accordingly. I also edited it for a view that's more neutral, and removed some weasel words. 82.44.114.217 (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)