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[edit] Wedgwoods

Just sortof happened (I started at Charles Darwin originally and just worked my way round. — Dunc|☺ 09:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many peases

I'm trying to sort out various items called Pease (have created a Pease (disambiguation) page). But have a concern: There seems to be two articles on the same or similar subjects Pease pudding and Pease Porridge Hot. Not sure how to handle that.--Erp 02:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the conflict... On the disambiguation page, just put on one line "Pease pudding, a
sort of Pease pudding,< /br > Pease Porridge Hot, a modified version of the Pease pudding." I actually have no idea what either are, I'll read both articles later and see if there's any problem I can see for myself. GofG ||| Contribs 02:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
the main problem is that both refer to the nursery rhyme but with two different forms of the rhyme and I don't think any cross reference. Pease Pudding and Pease Porridge might or might not be different dishes (regional dialects?). I think one article is needed for the nursery rhyme and one for the culinary dish(es) with cross references. Would that be ok? --Erp 02:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why not. Sounds good actually. GofG ||| Contribs 03:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for the help. I've now put things in, I think, an appropriate order. --Erp 04:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fry Family

I'm glad you managed to get a bit of a hold on the Fry's Chocolate Lords :) After I made my comment about the Chocolate article, I poked around for a while and couldn't find any decent sources.Paul Drye

I've added a brief biog of Joan Mary Fry === Vernon White (talk) 10:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

You may want to chime in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting#Spiral_Scouts, or if you prefer, leave a msg on my talk page. At first I was opposed, but then realized I was just unknoweledgeable about your Spiral Scouts International organization, which you should be able to deduce from the talk. Please provide your side of the story. Rlevse 23:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. You make some good comments. I'd only point out there are some youth groups that definitely don't fall under Scouting, most of them were/are in countries ruled by strong dictators, see like Falcons, Hitler Youth, and Young Pioneers.Rlevse 02:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • See the article and project talk. Rlevse 11:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting Lists in GSUSA

Can you help prosify the lists in GSUSA? I tried, but I struggle. Darthgriz98 02:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey way to go on finding that info and helping with the lists! Where did you find it, a book? Darthgriz98 22:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Careful googling. Got much of the info on roundups off a stamp collecting web site. I've heard but could not confirm that the national roundups ended when the Military pulled support from them (military support continued for the BSA jamborees). --Erp 23:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

Hi Erp. I see you are a regular contributor to Scouting articles, especially Girl Scout related ones. We need more people knowledgeable in that area. Please formally join the Scouting project at: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Participants_and_primary_areas_of_interest. Rlevse 01:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

For someone who never joined the project, you sure are active in it lately--;) grin. Glad you are participating. It still think it's one method, no matter what you call it and focusing on splitting hairs merely perpetuates division. We should focus on unity, not splitting the movement apart more than it is. All colors of a rose are still a rose. Rlevse 22:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] scout?

You were a scout? Darthgriz98 19:21, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Brownies through Seniors back in the 70's. Even did some caving out in Pennsylvania which I believe is your homestate. --Erp 01:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Ha good old PA, by the way, can you turn the program aims into prose? I'm not quite sure how to word them. After that, I think it might be ready to submit for GA. Darthgriz98 14:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
prosified and gave reference. I cut a lot of the text since I couldn't find the source.--Erp 19:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alfred Fox

Thanks for tidying up the children of Alfred and Sarah (born Lloyd) Fox. I must try to acquire a more organised editing method.

I see that you are interested in the Pease and Fry families. Do you have a particular interest in Quaker bankers and industrialist?

=== Vernon White (talk) 08:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm distantly related to both families (very distantly in the case of the Darlington Peases and I'm not 100% sure of the Fry connection). Not knowingly related to the Fox family but I visited Glendurgan earlier this year and noted their connection to the Darlington Peases. What is your interest?--Erp 21:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am interested in 19th C Quakers and recently moved to Cornwall, near Glendurgan, Trebah and Penjerrick Garden. I love Barclay and Caroline Fox's journals. I am a member of the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society. BTW, Alfred's brother, Charles' daughter, Juliet and Alfred's brother Robert's son, Barclay, both married into the Darlington Backhouse family. I expect you are distantly related to them too.
Best === Vernon White (talk) 22:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I think most of the Quaker families of the time in England were related by blood or marriage since the Society of Friends up until the late 19th century tended to disapprove of marrying out; though I don't know of any blood connection to the Backhouse family (or the Fox family). So know anything about Friends Provident? Falmouth region is a lovely area, my grandmother use to spend her vacations as a child near Helford and Manaccan starting in the 1920s and continued family vacations even when she married and had children and grandchildren. --Erp 00:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Friends Provident

Do I know anything? Not much.

First line

"Friends Provident plc (LSE: FP.) manages a life assurance business in the United Kingdom"

seems to miss the huge asset-management wings of the company. The distinctive "ethical" flavour of the firm should be in the first para too.

There was a lot of correspondence in The Friend at the time of demutualisation but customers who are Fds must be a very tiny part of the business. I hear there's a bar in the staff club at the Dorking Offices, which probably means the management were a long way away from their Nineteenth Century Quaker Founders by the time the place was built (? in the 1960s). I'm reading Elizabeth Isichei's Victorian Quakers at present and will find out about this background.

BTW the Backhouses intermarried with the Peases and the Director of Barclays who bankrupted several Peases in 1904 was Sir Jonathan Edmund Backhouse, 1st Baronet, (November 15, 1849 - July 27, 1918). === Vernon White (talk) 22:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The first non-Quaker general manager of Friends Provident, Henry John Tapscott, took over in 1916; however, he was married to a Friend and was involved in various Friendlike activities such as the anti-slavery movement. He did move Friends Provident to London, but, I suspect the bar showed up post his term. I don't know much beyond that myself--Erp 23:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion in Scouting

Had "Judeo-Christian" for AHG, since that is how they self-identify. No big deal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.202.106.49 (talk) 03:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

They may self-identify as such but they are explicitly Christian (they probably are thinking of groups like Jews for Jesus to justify the Judeo). Admittedly Judeo-Christian is often used when Christian would be the more appropriate word--Erp 01:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Edward Fry

Yes, Margery Fry is very interesting person. She has an ODNB article. Do you have access to ODNB? Some of the sisters lived with or near Roger Fry in Guildford and helped with Roger's children, I believe. Best === Vernon White (talk) 11:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I have access to the ODNB as well as a bio about her. --Erp 02:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edward R. Pease in Limpsfield

Here's the correspondence: To: Enquiries Direct Libraries/CSC/SCC@SCC Date: 02/01/2007 08:39PM Subject: Ask Us (ref : EF700024162) NAME: Vernon White EMAIL: vernonwhite39 at btinternet.com

QUESTION: *Pease, Edward Reynolds (1857?1955), secretary of the Fabian Society and Limpsfield, Surrey* Edward R. Pease and his wife, Mary moved to Lipsfield in 1889. In 1916, Pease was living at Pendicle, Limpsfield. He died at that address on 5 January 1955.

Where was Pendicle? When did Limpsfield or Limpsfield Chart acquire the name "Dostoevsky Corner" due to Fabian settlers such as the Peases and the Garnetts (who lived at The Cearne on the Chart) sympathy with Russian Refugees, some of whom they accommodated?

REPLY

Original Message ----

From: Enquiries Direct Libraries <libraries@surreycc.gov.uk>

Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2007 12:14:54 PM Subject: Re: Edward Pease, Pendicle, Dostoevsky corner (ref : EF700024162)


Hello Vernon,

Happy New Year to you and yours!

According to the book "Limpsfield Ancient & Modern" 1997, edited by Peter Gray, ISBN: 0953056902 p78, 'the Limpsfield Land Club met monthly, usually in The Pendicle, (now Walney) the Pease's home in Pastens Road.' A fuller account from that page is attached. To answer your second question, when did Limpsfield....? I'm afraid I haven't found a date but I have found a reference to the Pease's home, The Pendicle, becoming known as Dostoevsky Corner because:- With his wife Marjory, Edward Pease established the East Surrey Labour Party and both of them served on the local council. Their home at Limpsfield became known as Dostoevsky Corner, because he housed so many Russian refugees who had been forced to leave their country because of their socialist beliefs. This came from the following website http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUpease.htm which was the only hit from a google search (keywords:- dostoevsky corner limpsfield)

Finally, just as extra information that may not be relevant: in the book "Oxted, Limpsfield and Neighbourhood" pub 1932. Edited by Lewis G. Fry (item number 03166166 at RD - 13 in Surrey Libraries, 7 loan) there are a couple of chapters written by EDW. R. PEASE: 1) Village Records and 2) The Commons

I hope all the above helps to further your research.

best wishes

Information Services Team Enquiries Direct Surrey Libraries' On-Line Information Service "Finding information for you..."

tel: 01483 543599 fax: 01483 543597 email: libraries@surreycc.gov.uk

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Vernon's response - 5 Jan 2007 ___________________________

Oh yes, I see "Walney" on the South side of Pastens Road on the Surrey Interactive Map
http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/maps
There were a number of other leftish intellectuals living in the area in th 1890s, including Constance Garnett, Sydney Olivier and J.A. Hobson (all with ODNB articles).

Best for the new year

Vernon
END ___ ===Vernon White (talk) 05:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

So it looks like it is between Limpsfield proper and Limpsfield Chart; I think we should stick with Limpsfield for where Edward Pease lived. BTW I wouldn't trust Spartacus for reliability. Thanks for hunting up this info.--Erp 01:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added the address. Looks like the original drafter of the article used the Spartacus website as a source. The wholething could do with more references. Shall I make a start? Best === Vernon White (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marianne Elser Crowder

If you can find enough good information, I think we would have the workings of a nice notable article~ :) Chris 05:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] DYK

Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Anne Hyde Choate, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the "hook" for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on April 21 where you can improve it if you see fit. Rlevse 10:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I've modified it slightly. She seems to have been an interesting character whose family had long and powerful roots in New York (her birthplace, Hyde Hall, is a National Historic landmark though not because she was born there, her ancestor George Clarke had been a colonial governor). I'm not even sure how to put in the article the bits about her being a friend of Eleanor Roosevelt and Francis Perkins. Unfortunately the sources didn't go into much about her work in Our Chalet.--Erp 19:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

This made DYK! There is also a ritzy private school in the northeast called Choate, probably connected to her somehow. Rlevse 09:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on the DYK! Kingbird 14:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. Yes the school was apparently founded by her husband's uncle. In addition the house she was born, Hyde Hall near Cooperstown, NY, is on the National Historic register. It was built by one of her ancestors who had to take a case to the Supreme Court to have his land in New York (he was English and had inherited the land from a loyalist ancestor post the revolution)[1]. She came from and married into old money.--Erp 00:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations indeed! Chris 23:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

I just want to thank you for your great contributions to the GS info on the state articles. It was sorely lacking, and I want to balance the articles, but there simply is not as much available out there as there is on BSA (yes, I know, us guys talk more). I love the maps you contribute! I hope that you can later expand information on the world GG/GS articles, many are just stubs, or remain as subsections of national Scouting articles. When I made most of them, there was not a GG/GS task force, so my thoughts were to keep like country with like country. I did not mean it as any sort of systemic bias, here again, just there's more available through WOSM then WAGGGS, but you find great stuff! Thanks, and keep up the good work! Chris 04:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting Barnstar

The Scouting Barnstar
The Scouting Barnstar

-for longterm continued support for and improvement of Girl Guide/Girl Scout related articles. Rlevse 10:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks and sorry for the delay. --Erp 21:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does not display

The image Image:GirlScoutsatNASA.jpg you uploaded does not display in IE or FF. I tried reuploading it but it didn't work. I've asked BigDT, our image expert, if he knows what's wrong. I've not seen this problem before. Rlevse 03:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Stanford

Thanks for adding an ASSU section to the Stanford page! Samois98 08:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Fry family (chocolate)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Fry family (chocolate), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fry family (chocolate). Thank you. Burzmali 13:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pease Partners Bank

On Talk:Pease family (Darlington), I wrote: Does Pease Partners Bank deserve a separate entry? Vernon White . . . Talk 15:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You replied: As it is long defunct and nothing seems to link to it or is likely to in the near future, I don't think so. --Erp (talk) 01:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I replied further: Perhaps a general article on Quaker-run provincial banks an their eventual fate of being swallowed by Barclay or Lloyds or going bust. I got the impression somewhere tha the Pease Bank was more like a merchant bank for North East enterprises and its demise hurt the region badly. How did it collapse? Was Sir Jonathan Backhouse, 1st Baronet the villain of the piece, as I read somewhere. At the moment, I am working on Category:Members of Parliament for constituencies in Cornwall, which is fairly extensive . . . so maybe sometime. BTW have you seen a copy of Milligan's Biographical dictionary of British Quakers in commerce and industry? Vernon White . . . Talk 08:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply on the Pease talk page. I'll see if I can scan the Brooks and Pease pages of Ted Milligan's Dictionary. Perhaps a first stage to an article might be to extend Category:History_of_banking with a category "Quaker family banks". The History of banking doesn't even mention the Overend & Gurney crash. Best Vernon White . . . Talk 08:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)