Talk:Erotic asphyxiation
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I think this was the central plot device to one of Dick Francis's novels... not sure which one though. Anyone know? - Ta bu shi da yu 13:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
NPOV - The dangers of EA, while very real, do not even remotely come close to the dire warning that is prominent in the article. I'm working on an edit to correct this.
Second, the conflation of accidental deaths due to EA and people that *want* to die is absurd. This will also be fixed in an upcoming edit. Wrath0fb0b
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[edit] Holding your breath
Wouldn't holding your breath have the same effect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.6.26 (talk) 07:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] History
From this link:
Comes this tidbit:
- 2 Feb 1793 Czech composer Franz Kotzwara, who penned "The Battle of Prague," dies from autoerotic asphyxiation in a London brothel.
Also, I just saw an episode of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation wherein we are informed that long ago, erections were observed in criminals being hanged, and that is was called the killer orgasim. While funny, I can't find any Internet or other sources to back this up. Does anyone know any more historical information on the topic? 70.20.163.248 03:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- And here is another interesting link:
- With this relevent paragraph:
- There isn’t much recorded history on erotic asphyxiation. The earliest documentation of it goes back to the 1700s (Joergensen). Apparently it was noted that some hanging victims died with erections, and so asphyxiation became one of the first “cures” for impotency. There were also references to it in DeSade’s Justine. In 1856 it got its first mention in medical text by French psychiatrist DeBoismont. In 1987 Hustler was sued by a boy’s family for an article it published describing how to use asphyxiation for pleasure, after the boy was found dead with the magazine (Jenkins).
And here is a great link:
Read down to the article called PLEASE BE TENDER WHEN YOU CUT ME DOWN. There is some great historical info. 70.20.163.248 03:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, there is information about the physiological effect of Hanging on Male Victims including some photos of this phenomenon. One photo graphically showing the asphyxiation effect on a male victim of hanging with a very good informative caption of explanation at the bottom of the photo can be found at this link:
[edit] In Media References
...a 2002 episode of the HBO television series Six Feet Under, the US version of Queer as Folk,...
Isnt the american version of Queer as Folk, Queer as Folk (US TV series) ? JonEastham 08:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] question: possible cause of pleasure in erotic asphyxiation?
Since things in the throat such as the adam's apple get larger at the same time private parts are increasing in size (during puberty), is it possible some of the same or closely related hormones are involved? If so, couldn't whatever structures and types of nerve endings that are responsible for feelings of sexual pleasure exist in the neck region as well as the genital region?Rich 11:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A few questions and comments by an "Average Person"
Angel of Twilight 23:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC) All I gotta say is well, damn, this is a nice way to wake up....Go looking for a little self sex-ed and then I find this, and realize: "ok so thats the scientific term for what I was just praying that I would have a dream about last night....."*reads on more*"HOLY #$%^ this is a lot of scientific terms......."*reads it all*".....life sucks, seems that one of the only 'edge play' things im interested in is totally and irreperably dangerous." This is quite depressing for me. Up until now I had no privacy to look up stuff like this (my mother NEVER leaves me the #$%^ alone, but now im at collage *grin*), so I had no idea what it was. I got two questions here though.
Question 1: If there is no "safe" way to do this, and doing it without "props", in the most "gentle" ways, AND with a partner has little to no effect on the danger level.....then I wonder if anyone is looking into making it safer using new medical technology? I know there are things doctors can do to "treat the problem" that is liking this kind of activity but I dont see (liking doing) this as a problem or a medical condition. I see it as a facet of someone's personality that they have to deal with, either by rejecting it and suppressing it, or by embacing it and chasing it regardless of the risks. Personally, Ill have to think on it, and when (not if) I get a girlfriend/married ill have to discuss this with her, as well as my doctor, and rexamine the question: "to do it, or not to do it?" So my real question here is: Do they have/Are they developing/Is it possible to make something that makes this safe or safer than it is? Even a theory of how it could be done (put in as plain english as possible, remember im not a doctor >_>), would be nice. PS: Alot of the damage said to be caused by doing this is explained in very scientific terms, and it would be nice to have a "layman's version". PPS: How much of these risks depend on the fitness of the individual? This page makes most of the things that can go wrong sound like they are totally random.
Question 2: If "Breath Control Play" is defined as such in this page, then what would be the act of sharing a breath with your partner back and forth a bit, with one person controlling the flow of said breath? My personal imaginings and fantasies have lead me in that direction more than once and I would like to know what its called/what risks are involved considering it doesnt STOP the flow of oxygen or inhibit breathing in any way.
This was a long post, and rightly so. This page needs more information, and I look forward to the edit mentioned above. I would like to have a more objective view rather than basicly a rant (no offense ment to poster of this page) that says "its too risky, dont do it, you could very well end up dead." (I also appologize if that edit has already been made, but this page still seems a little opinionated....) That is a little disconcerting for people like me who seem to have an affinity for this and just found out what it was called by reading this page.
Anyway! I will get off my soap box now! *steps off his soap box and walks out* Also, I appologize for any and all internet slang and implied cursing used in this post, I try to keep it to a minimum but I *AM* only 18. Can you blame me?
Signed: The Angel of Twilight
EDIT: Found all my answers and am feeling alot better about this subject now after reading this site: http://www.mybdsm.com/pages/breathplay/enter.html puts this in a light that is much more informative than this page and doesnt try to scare you #$%^-less. If possible, I would love to edit it into the page as a link for more info, however, im not sure how many people who follow this page would like that. This will teach me to wiki first and google later....although, if I had, I may not have even found this term existed since I wasnt searching for it. Sorry for the long post and edit, im very talkative when im excited or nervous and I was both while writing the post above. ^^
[edit] potentially lethal
I've just added these two words to the introductory sentence of this article again. I think it is a rather important aspect of this activity that doing it can cause someone to stop living, and it is certainly what the activity is infamous for. For those reasons I think it should stay in. Robotman1974 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reference
The increased pleasure results from the body producing more endorphins as it approaches the state of asphyxia. - is there a reference for this? Raul654 15:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Absolutely not. Even in the couple of academic papers I found, the relationship is theorized by analogy to masochism where it is justified. Moreover, the people who were theorizing don't have any kind of medical credentials. I'm going to delete it. BenB4 08:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Poor overall quality
The quality of this article is poor. It has a clear POV. One example is the phrase: "those who think flirting with death in sex is healthy." The opinion of the writer is self-evident. The phrase assumes that erotic asphyxiation is a mental issue, rather than a practice based on physiological mechanisms. There is no mention of these mechanisms. The restriction of oxygen to the brain causes hypoxia, which people who enjoy erotic asphyxiation claim heightens the sensations of sex. The risks of erotic asphyxiation are overstated, although this is difficult to discern, because there are no statistics cited. In auto-erotic asphyxiation a person sometimes simply holds his/her breath during masturbation or sex.203.196.42.71 04:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- There are few psychological experts, if any, who do not feel that this is a mental disorder since it puts the practitioner at risk. An analogy would be someone who insisted on having sex with a lot of people without a condom because it feels better, even with people they know may have a disease. The risks are too high to one's long term survival, simply for a moment of pleasure, that there currently aren't any serious experts who do not see it as a form of Russian Roulette, and thus a disorder. I removed the tag at the top. David Shankbone 01:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
If the potential health effects are simply lack of oxygen circulation in the brain. Which could potentially cause brain damage, as it does in mountain climbers [[April/May 2008 Scientific American Mind]http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=brain-cells-into-thin-air]. Then would mountain climbing be an analogous mental disorder? --Anoid (talk) 21:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Questionable or Irrelevant Citation
Citation 2, pertaining to the frequency of deaths due to autoerotic asphyxiation, contains no verifiable information. The source MyFolsom.com is not as reputable as the citation suggests. The information, supposedly from the FBI, is illusory. I could only find a PubMed article suggesting 250 deaths per year in the US, not 1000. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6666761
--Anoid (talk) 21:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
