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Contents 1 Merge? 2 Erotic Grotesque Nonsense 3 Shock site material? 4 In war atrocities 5 Project Assessment 6 Guro Lolita 7 This needs an illustration 8 Question

[edit] Merge?

Hmm...

EroGuro and Ero-guro pretty much refer to same thing.

The article for the EroGuro seems to be more general ("an artistic, cultural and music sub-genre" ... "expanded its proverbial tendrils into parts of Japanese theatre, art, manga, and eventually film" etc), though it's under the category Japanese styles of music. Ero-guro seems to focus only on the visual aspect in art and manga.

How about merging the two articles under the category Japanese art? Ketsumaru 08:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

agree, merge them together, but with or without the hyphen? Chris 23:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

My vote's on without the hyphen - expanded, the phrase would be "erotic grotesque", not "erotic-grotesque". Tzaquiel 23:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You have to be really fooked in the head to like this snuff anime.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honey blade (talk • contribs) .

If you don't like it, no one's forcing you to look at it, or even this page. If you don't have anything helpful to add, then please don't post. MassiveDamage 04:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Erotic Grotesque Nonsense

You'll probably find more referenses under "Erotic Grotesque Nonsense" originally a film/literary movement.

There is probably little on the current Visual Kei movement in verifiable publication outside of Japanese sources.

I think the article needs to clearly distingish between the original literay movements, (20s-30's japan) and EroGuro in Manga, and EroGuro in music (1990s). This is probably lacking because the articles were merged. Inugami Circus-Dan is definately Angura Kei, so I removed them and added a bit about it. The original movements are pretty clearly separate, but they get blurred when applied to modern music movements (because they both happened in music around the same time). I also removed Alice Nine, if someone wants to explain whats erotic and grotesque about them here, give it a shot.

It would be nice to see more information on the original movement from pre WWII Japan as well Denaar 17:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shock site material?

Would sites with EroGuro galleries be considered shock sites?

-If they're sites that are related to the subject of EroGuro, then no. The content may be shocking to most, but the sites are legit since they're relevant to the article.

[edit] In war atrocities

Is that section an outright joke or just poorly phrased?70.53.99.121 23:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Assessment

I realize it can be difficult to describe an artistic/musical style or movement without concrete examples, but I really don't think this article conveys any sense of what EroGuro is really like. I had never heard of visual kei before, but upon looking it up, and discovering the description and examples of Mana, Malice Mizer, etc, I understand pretty well what visual kei refers to now. The article just needs some work is all. LordAmeth 00:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guro Lolita

There appears to be a recently-emergent subset of Elegant Gothic Lolita known as "Guro Lolita" which seems to entail dressing in basic Lolita fashion, "gored up" with the addition of fake blood, bloodstained eyepatches, bandages etc. - basically looking like a mutilated doll or "Zombie Lolita". There isn't a seperate Guro Lolita entry, and currently there is only a very brief one-line mention of it in the main Lolita fashion entry. My own experienceof gurololi is soley through contact in the BJD world, so I don't really feel confident to add to the main article at present. Arkady Rose 06:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This needs an illustration

I feel that this page needs a picture or something-DESU 11:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the image for now, since an explicit display of gore is probably not appropriate for a general purpose encyclopedia. Certainly someone can provide an image that only qualifies as unusual or weird, as opposed to downright disturbing. - Cyrus XIII 22:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. MassiveDamage 04:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Addition to above; I've uploaded IwaAndIzaemonCover.jpg, if you think it passes muster feel free to add it, as I'm not sure how to add a thumbnail image to an article. I felt it was a good preview of what can be found in guro without being overly gross. MassiveDamage 04:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, because everybody knows anything with offensive content is automatically a social critique. *rolleyes* —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.108.26.204 (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Guro is gross; that's what it's named after. We can't have an image that shows guro without it being gross; we can't have an image that shows guro without offending a large portion of visitors. It won't be guro if it doesn't. Per WP:NOTCENSORED, I think this line of argument is off, as a potential image would be illustrating the subject matter. The bigger problem, I think, is finding an illustration that properly treats the subject; eroguro is an incredibly loose subject. Estemi (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Is ero-guro really a legit genre? I mean, the work of Suehiro Maruo legitimately passes for art and commands respect among critics and artists of various domains including people like John Zorn whereas Waita Uziga follows comletely different patterns, i.e. his mangas can be rightfully labelled as something like 'fake sÄnuff' and those particularly seem to either appeal to people with certain, um, deviant, extremely sadistic sexual tendencies or others who at the best simply look for shock value.

Furthermore the musicians mentioned in this article don't relate to Uziga and his ilk at all, so the overall lumping of people (and their art/'art') in the same kind of genre doesn't make any sense. I suggest the creation of sub-genres based on a general differentiation between those mentioned above. I'd appreciate it if someone who is knowledgeable enough on this matter and the Japanese language would improve or rewrite the article.

For kicks, I did a Yahoo japan (an auction site) search for Erogoro (エログロ). If Erogoro is really applied to modern pornographic comics in Japan, considering the amount of key word spam used on auction sites, I would expect to see a lot of hits. I only hit 21 items - videos, old movies, some random horror movies, and novels. [1]. Definately articles like this [2] about Suehiro Maruo seem to show that the Erogoro tag is a good one - but I searched the author's official website and the term didn't show up [3]. Should the comics be moved to some sort of H Manga article as a sub-section or remain here?

Next I searched the Japanese wiki, but articles that use the term (no articles with erogoro in the title) are a bit confusing in the usage. The term is used to describe aspects of bands/music, so I'm still on fence about that one - I'm not finding any really good sources for it otherwise. There are quite a few bands under the Visual Kei genre that use the term in song titles.

The main subject is a film/literature movement from the 20s(-40s?) in Japan, and there is a request for more references. Since I last visited this article, a book came out in English about it: [4]

There is an abstract from a paper here [5] by Mark Driscoll, University of Michigan. There is also an article by Jim Reichert The Journal of Japanese (a journal with a strict peer review). The web is just crawling with good sources. Maybe for now the well documented "cultural movement" can be expanded, and the have "manga influenced by" and "music influenced by" as two sub sections? Denaar 05:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

While working on the Sada Abe article recently, I came across a reference to the EroGuro movement, mentioning that the "Sada Abe Incident" of 1936 came to represent the genre for years afterwards. I don't have the book with me now, but will put a citation to it in the article in a couple of days. Also, Sada appeared in one of director Teruo Ishii's films in 1969, and, as the article notes, he is associated with the term "EroGuro" in 1960s cinema. Dekkappai 19:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)