Talk:Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick

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[edit] Lüneburg vs.Lunenburg

This falls along the lines of Bayern/Bavaria, Preussen/Prussia, Sachsen/Saxony, Hannover/Hanover, Braunschweig/Brunswick... The name simply is correctly and factually translated into English as Lunenburg. A 1911 article from EB simply isn't the be-all and end-all of the matter. I would better support Braunschwieg-Lüneburg than I would a mix of languages. "Brunswick-Lüneburg" is non-existant as a proper name. Charles 21:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

No doubt this should be decided by the native English speakers, but Google finds 35,000 hits for "Brunswick-Lüneburg" or "Brunswick-Luneburg" and 600 for "Brunswick-Lunenburg". --Chl 03:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that is simply the repetition of error. Google "Princess Diana" and "Diana, Princess of Wales". Charles 01:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] official ordinal

Has anyone actually checked from authentic original sources did E.A. use an official regnal number as reigning duke of Brunswick??

I see that here someone has put III to him, as if his father and his great-grandfather were the numbers II and I. However, his great-grandfather never reigned in this territory, nor had a proper claim to it. His father can be said to have had a proper claim. that would make this E.A. here as number I (or number II if his father, the claimant, is counted).

However, if the so-called genealogical numbering is applied: It means that every Welf having been a duke of some original Welf lands will get an ordinal - Then this guy here is at least fourth in succession: there was duke Ernst August of Brunswick-Calenberg who became the 1st Elector, then there were king Ernest Augustus I of Hanover, and in addition this guy's own father, so at least three earlier Ernests Augusts...

Original source info would be needed for this guy's regnal number. Shilkanni 10:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The kings of Hanover were Dukes of Brunswick and Lunenburg. I believe Hanover encompassed Brunswick/Lunenburg. If he were renamed to Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick would that be fine? Charles 15:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I am asking this for the content of the article. Actual answer to the question would be appreciated. Shilkanni 17:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen the regnal number in any sources -- it's just his name without number. Most of the Welf dukes didn't use a number. When using genealogical numbering, he'd be V. Chl 17:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I have never ever seen a regnal number either. He should be Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick. His father should be Ernest Augustus, 3rd Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale, I think. His son and grandson should probably be disambiguated by birth and death dates, rather than by confusing ordinals that nobody ever uses. This ordinal business on the Hanoverians is seriously lame. john k 20:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I tweaked the III out of the first line; this leaves Prince Ernst August of Hanover, Duke of Brunswick-Lunenburg which is dissonant. Lunenburg is archaic; to my ear about as archaic as Leghorn. If we're going to use it, we should probably use Ernest Augustus. Septentrionalis 21:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

How about both: "Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick-Lunenburg (de: Prinz Ernst August von Hannover, Herzog von Braunschweig-Lüneburg)"?

Lunenburg is a relic of Cfvh's liking for it. We should change to "Brunswick-Lüneburg". The German, I would add, is "Braunschweig-Lüneburg". I've made some significant edits to the article. john k 22:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course it is; oops. Septentrionalis 22:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It is Brunswick and Lunenburg, or Brunswick and Luneburg (without the umlaut) as some would (inelegantly) put it. Junior members of the house used zu for the Brunswick and Lunenburg title and I believe that the Duke only used von solely with Brunswick (Braunschweig) since it was (if I remember correctly) a "different" duchy from Brunswick and Lunenburg. Charles 04:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Nobody evers says "Brunswick and Lüneburg" in English. "Braunschweig and Lüneburg" appears to be used in German, but there is no rule requiring literal translations of every term in German if this is not what people generally do in English. I would add that "Lunenburg" is never used any more, and I can't recall ever seeing it without the umlaut, either. Your insistence that "Lüneburg" is not used in English has no basis. With respect to the particle of nobility used by members of the family, it is worth noting that on François Velde's article that I linked, the Duke of Cumberland in his own statement indicating what titles he would use following his father's death in 1878, says he will be "Herzog von Braunschweig und Lüneburg," but that his son, in his statement to the Kaiser about his father's renunciation, refers to him as "Herzog zu Braunschweig und Lüneburg". So it would appear there was little consistency in this matter. The british titles are always "von," and pretty much every other usage of "Braunschweig" or "Braunschweig und Lüneburg" that I can see is "zu", including Duke Wilhelm's signature as "Herzog zu Braunschweig" to the House Laws of 1831. So apparentl "Herzog von Braunschweig" is never used. john k 06:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)