User talk:Erkan Yilmaz

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Dear visitor, please leave me a note at Wikiversity (English, German). The fastest way to contact me still is by mail. ----Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion) 21:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)



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[edit] Re:German Wikiversity

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Hello, Erkan. Thank you for your message. No, I don't speak German but I want to learn it, so, I created the account. My edits of course will be minor. Happy to know you. Cheers! --Meno25 07:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

I award Erkan Yilmaz barnstar in appreciation of contributions to article related to Software Testing. --Pinecar 08:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

my response

Vanakkam and Nandri (Namaste & Dhanyavad in Tamil) for talking back to me. Thanks for showing me the trick to see any users contributions as summary. Yes, I rewarded multiple Wikipedia contributors for hard work and due diligence in the areas related to Software Testing (not just the article Software Testing). Thank you again for your free content contribution to Wikipedia. --Pinecar 00:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support needed

Hi Mr. Erkan Yilmaz,

It is hoped that you can support Barat's request for Administrator. Thankyou. --Jose77 09:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jose77, thank you for your invitation. I have added a comment at Barat's page and also for the other candidates. Also have a look here please: ug:Wikipedia talk:Administrators#Request - I think the process of selecting an administrator can be improved for teh benefit of all, since this is an important task. ----Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion) 10:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mr. Erkan Yilmaz and thankyou for your response. I can understand your reasoning and would like to clarify a few issues.
Barat wishes to become administrator because:
  1. There is currently no Administrator or Bureaucrat to remove spam or vandalism.
  2. Barat is a native speaker of Uyghur and wishes to translate the interface messages into Uyghur.
  3. He has already made 173 edits in the past few months (which satisfies the miniminum criteria of 100 edits).
  4. Barat wishes to implement the Multi-Script Conversion tool which can convert any article from the Arabic script to the Latin and Cyrillic Script[1].
The reason why Barat has not recently been as active as usual is because he is currently studying a Masters' Degree in English. Therefore he edits during his spare time. Once he has finished his Thesis paper, he will be able to edit more often.
As for the copyright issue, Barat had been cautioned already and since then he has been writing non-copyrighted content only. For the full discussion, see here. Jose77, 21:34, 11 September 2007


Hello Jose77,
at 1: yes, I saw this. Can you please explain me how this can be ? As I see Uighur Wikipedia exists since December 2003.
How can it be that there is no bureaucrat or admin available (until now) ?
at 2: great
at 3: do you have a link for this 100 minimum edits criteria ?
This seems to me like a too low value, e.g. in German Wikipedia you have to have 200 edits at least that your vote counts for opinion votes (see de:Wikipedia:Stimmberechtigung).
Or in Turkish Wikipedia you need at least 150 edits to change your username (see tr:Vikipedi:Kullanıcı adı değiştirme). For both also at least 2 months of membership is needed, which Barat fullfills.
I would expect Uighur Wikipedia fullfills similar criteria like other Wikipedia, since the mentioned examples require less things than being an administrator, who can use powerful tools.
But again: Uighur Wikipedia's policy may be different, it is just my opinion. We can talk about this also separately :-)
at 4: also great


Actually about the spare time or that Barat will edit more in the future: this is not to be known for sure, since these are actions in the future :-( I would prefer when there are 2 admins at least. So one admin is always present - also good if one admin gets e.g. ill.
Copyright: noticed and hopefully he will read more of the Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
Also you should increase the awareness of people to the voting in the Uighur Wikipedia, as suggested here.
I also would like to hear your opinion on the other issues on ug:Wikipedia talk:Administrators, e.g. mentorship, requirements for getting eligible to be candidate for admin voting,...
BTW: please call me just Erkan from now on :-) We should not be so formal. ----Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion) 22:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I feel very sad for the Uyghur people - because none of them living within China are able to access Uyghur Wikipedia and Chinese Wikipedia from China due a blockade from the "Great Firewall of China" by the Communist authorities in China- and User:Barat is one of the few Uyghur Expatriates living overseas who are able to access the site and have the ability to help out in this project because not many Uyghurs can speak English or Chinese fluently, let alone have access to the internet! However now you have chosen to oppose his request for temporary sysop; but that was your decision and I have no choice but to respect it.
I really do feel sorry for the poor Uyghurs. --Jose77 00:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jose77,
I feel for you and the Uyghur people.
Please read again what I wrote:
"I oppose until someone replies to my comments below (I will crosscheck the other candidates also)" or
"And I just opposed forthe moment, since I have some questions open. If I get an answer (e.g. also like: Erkan, you got it all wrong), I am happy to change my statement above."
this does not mean the same as "oppose his request".


Also it would help, if you put on Barat's section, that this is only for temporary sysop. How long would this temporary be ?
It is actually quite suspect that Barat does not reply himself. You explained it, but if someone wants to get more powerful tools, I would expect this person to show initiative.
From the things I have noticed so far it seems to me you are an active participant there. As I see in the recent edits [2] you were former admin. Why are you no admin anymore ? I just read from a candidate there who told: "sysopbits removal for Jose77 ... (he deleted prev two requests mine, as well as block me 3 times for him not liked me)".
So far as I can see only you are making edits there and care for the Uyghur Wikipedia.
Unfortunately you or someone else did not answer my questions so far (the one above from 22:12, 11 September 2007 and the one at ug:Wikipedia talk:Administrators), so this helps people to understand more the issue.
Again: I do not want to be a problem, I just want that my questions get cleared, so I can vote with confidence (for the right person). I will not vote for something which I do not understand. And if I - as admin in 2 wikimedia projects - having experience with admin voting feel some things are not so good (to understand), then I ask myself how the Uyghur Wikipedians could feel. The more open a process is, the more people will understand and participate.
More clearness in the process/page would help. Also for future admin votings - this is no waste of time, since it can be reused.
I also feel like it can be achieved with few effort.
Is there a way for me to help you ? If so, please don't be shy and tell. ----Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion) 09:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Here are some more points of clarification:
  1. Kiyim Kemal is not my sockpuppet. Kiyim Kemal is an Uyghur from Ghulja who is currently living in London He was the one who gave me the Uyghur translations for the interface messages (by email[3]).
  2. Barat is not my sockpuppet. (If you do not believe me, then see this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose77 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Why I left... humm

There are two main reasons.

I wanted to learn Spanish; at first there was no class on WV, then after a while I found there was a course for self-teaching. Good. Only it doesn't work for me. I am basically an audio/visual learner; no matter how hard I tried to drill myself with "me llamo, te llamas, se llama," I still haven't absorbed it. At a minimum what I need is an interactive course with a soundtrack and a prompt screen, like a computerized typing lesson; ironically, you pointed something like that out with the chart for the apptitude test: some people find it easier that way.

As to how I know this: some years ago Jordan TV's foreign channel doubled as the educational channel mornings and afternoons. One afternoon I saw an animated German language lesson for children... and to my utter amazement I was absorbing the lesson on the spot and "das ist ein ritter" still evokes the image of an armored knight.

The other reason is that very often I don't feel I know enough to make a worthwhile contribution here. Remember, I'm a non-academic, and what WV needs right now are people with a disciplined agenda. Critics are a dime a dozen; what's needed here is critique.

So, for the time being, I'll bumble along at WP. But it was nice to meet you. Or in the words of the song: "It was great fun/ but it was just one/ of those things." Be Well and Happy, Shir-El too 02:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Shir-El too, thank you very much for the explanation. I have copied your feedback also to here and about the 2nd argument: actually we welcome everyone, not only people you or I think would be the best. It is all about learning experience at Wikiversity. Who knows we might see each other again - some day. Until then, have fun in the wiki-verse. ----Erkan Yilmaz (discussion, wiki blog) 18:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello, Yilmaz

I left the message at the your talk page. :) BongGon 12:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ... and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest..."

May you and yours have all the best of this Season's Greetings: a

Very Merry Christmas
and a
Happy New Year.

Sorry: I forgot if you celebrate X-Mass. If yes good, if not... it is still a lovely picture. Shir-El too 00:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Kingdoms bios

Hi, I notice you're adding references to some of the Three Kingdoms articles, and that's a good thing...except, please don't use Romance of the Three Kingdoms as reference, that's a fictional novel and is no substitute for actual history, thank you. _dk (talk) 00:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Deadkid dk, thank you for your message. Since I am new to the topic of ROTK, I will use then from now on just Robert Moss' notes, since the book is partly history and partly fictional.
From my edits to ROTK so far:
  • these are from Moss' notes: [5], [6]
  • typos: [7], [8]
  • and this one is from inside the book: [9] - should this be then removed ? ----Erkan Yilmaz (talk ?, wiki blog) 00:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
No, that one is okay since it used as reference under the fiction section....Though in the future you might want to note that Moss, not Luo Guanzhong, wrote the notes in regards to history. I removed your edit in Lu Zhi because it was redundant to Lu Zhi (minister). _dk (talk) 00:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I'll take this opportunity to invite you to our WikiProject Three Kingdoms, where you can find (not very) active discussions and aids on writing about the Three Kingdoms :) _dk (talk) 00:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast feedback. Ok, will mention Moss specifically then.
I added the Wikiproject already to the links on Wikiversity's reading group v:Romance of the Three Kingdoms (by Luo Guanzhong). At the moment I am still doing another reading group v:Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War, so I am doing ROTK only from time to time to get me closer into the topic, until the reading group starts. ----Erkan Yilmaz (talk ?, wiki blog) 00:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Added myself to the Wikiproject [10] and use now the userbox, ----Erkan Yilmaz (talk ?, wiki blog) 13:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)