Talk:Erik Laxman

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[edit] A source

Here is a possible Swedish source for this article: Wilhelm Lagus. Erik Laxman: hans lefnad, resor, forskningar och brefvexling. Helsingfors, 1880. --Bothnia 22:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

I moved this page from Erich Laxmann to Erik Laxman. The first move to Erich Laxmann was undiscussed to begin with, and I see no reason why we should give the German name of Laxman since he we not German. If anyone objects to this move, please discuss it here before any further changes are amade.--Bothnia 05:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

"Erich Laxmann" is how is referred to in scientific literature. That's where most folks will be looking for him, so that is where the article should be. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure about that. JSTOR gave only one exact match for "Erich Laxmann" and "Eric Laxman" each, but 3 for Erik Laxman, for what that's worth. One of the references is George Alexander Lensen's "Early Russo-Japanese Relations," The Far Eastern Quarterly 10, no. 1 (1950). I wouldn't call that an overwhelming support in favor of the German form of the name. Here is an entry from a Swedish website, of course that does not carry the same weight as a scientific publication.
Besides, I would apperciate if you discussed you moves before you made them. I'm not an admin so I can unblock or revert moves back and forth, which I guess you can do.--Bothnia 14:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Scientific sources and articles online that use "Erich Laxmann" or at least "Laxmann":
- UtherSRG (talk) 17:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, that is all well and good, but that is not the sources I was looking for. None of the sources you quote are narrative or biographical sources, and this is a biographical article about a historical person, who had an impact beyond his zoological and botanical discoveries. Moreover, I would never suggest moving Carolus Linnaeus to Carl von Linné, not because he is referred to as Linnaeus in scientific sources of the type above, but because almost any English language biography would call him Linnaeus.--Bothnia 17:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I know that Google is not always the most reliable source, but just as an indication of the use of the exact phrases "Erich Laxmann" and "Erik Laxman" I found that the former yielded 27 and the latter 111 when I removed all references to Wikipedia. I think the case for a move is pretty solid.--Bothnia 18:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Encycl. Britannica uses "Laxman" in its one and only reference, under "Japan", and referring to Adam.[1] -- SigPig |SEND - OVER 19:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments requested - I have repeatedly tried to solicit comments on my evidence above from User:UtherSRG, but he has refused to deliberate on his reasons for insisting that the article be kept under its current name. It seems pointless to discuss this further with him. Unlike UtherSRG, who is an administrator, I do not have the power to move pages, so I have no other recourse than to request comments from other editors. For reference, please refer to User_talk:UtherSRG#Erich_Laxmann. Hopefully, we will be able to resolve this dispute this way, if not I will request mediation. Let me just finish that I do not think it behooves an administrator to use his privileges to move pages and then refuse to participate in an informed discussion.--Bothnia 18:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Hi all. This has been a most interesting debate, but I think the best thing to do would be to just pick one and leave it the hell alone. As my original source was a book on Pacific history by an American, i.e. nothing directly related to Russian/Finnish history, nor anything by an expert in those countries' cultures or languages, I cannot weigh in on choosing one over the other. But, in this and countless other similar instances across the 'pedia, I must say I am quite tired of seeing people argue incessantly about the tiniest spelling or semantics differences. Like medieval instead of medaeval or "Korea" vs "Korean peninsula". Get over it. Sincerely, the guy who started this article (LordAmeth 13:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)). Thanks.

I rushed into this too quickly and did not really read to appreciate what had been going on. Now that I see that UtherSRG is being stubborn, and Bothnia seems to be good-hearted and with the best of intentions, I shall revert it to "Erik Laxman", the only spelling I personally have ever seen in biographical, historical, and non-scientific sources, and hopefully that will bring an end to the debate. Any user searching for "Erich Laxmann" will be automatically redirected here. LordAmeth 14:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] after 1792

Japanese record about Krill Laxman stopped on August 21st, 1792 in Okhotsk. There must be more information after the day.--Orcano 18:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

See also:Talk:Daikokuya_Kodayu#about_Russian_record