Talk:Erie (tribe)
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The Westo theory is interesting info. Please reference. Thanks!
--Erielhonan 06:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I thought I had at least mentioned the author's name, oops! Anyway, added a reference to the book. It is an interesting theory, although like most ideas about this era, will probably remain a theory.. the timing, geography, and described characteristics make an intriguing link though.. Pfly 19:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Claims regarding the Erie Nation and the "ohio moundbuilders"
The claims that were being made in that contribution are not supported by the mainstream social sciences of history or archeology. Please do not repost that material unless you can provide a citation from a reputable previously published source as per Wikipedia policy in WP:PROVEIT. thanks Deconstructhis (talk) 17:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm kind of surprised that the "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation" don't have a Wikipedia article about them yet. Someone should go to work on that. Deconstructhis (talk) 21:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- They're unrecognized, with very little documentation. In order for them to even have an article, there needs to be some authorative scholarly source for citation... their own webpage and their name popping up in a handful of newspaper articles on matter not regarding them don't count... interesting to read, but not good enough for stand-alone citations. CJLippert (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
All things considered, I find it interesting that even the "Erie Moundbuilders" website itself appears to make no assertion to be able to demonstrate the veracity of their claims apart from their own private interpretation of the historical sources they say they're utilizing:
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/credits/
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"Assertions herein based primarily upon research among primary materials written at or near the time depicted. No secondary sources we know of have discovered the complex but coherent picture of us as you will read herein. Refinements will be made of these assertions we claim are true. Also additional information will reinforce their validity, since the more information we found only helped."
[...] Deconstructhis (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of External Link to "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation" Website
I have removed the external link to this website as per WP:EL and WP:LINKS. I did some Google sampling of this part of the site:
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/erie_indian_history/
and discovered that for the most part it appears to be cut and pasted verbatim from a number of different online sources of material, some of which are obviously protected by current copyright, but presented without any indication of permission for use. The Moundbuilder site includes a number of citations,some of which may reflect true original sources, but apart from a section roughly in the middle of the page, I was unable to locate *any* material that hadn't been quoted verbatim from uncited sources. This situation is compounded by the fact that the Moundbuilder site makes a claim at the bottom of the page that the material included on their site is protected by their own current copyright, without any apparent acknowledgement of the rights of what appears to be the actual original copyright holders themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links
"Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." Deconstructhis (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
