Talk:Eraño G. Manalo

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[edit] Source not cited

  • Please cite the source of this article. You are making serious charges againt the subject of the article, the least you can do is back it up with facts.

[edit] Unauthorized

  • The writer of this article is not authorized by the subject, and the intention for this article is suspicious. Be wary of misinformation.

You could point to the church's official magazine "God's message" for accuracy. Also, Felix Manalo i not the Founder of the Church of Christ. Christ is the founder, Felix Manalo was the instrument in re-establishing the church in these last days.

  • And that would be accurate? I don't think so.--Onlytofind 05:39, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The burden of proof is on the detractors

  • With no authoritative outside sources on the life of Erano Manalo, it is up to the detractors of this article to show specifically what is wrong and not factual. If not, then making up false claims of unfactuality is akin to vandalism. --Onlytofind 05:38, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Say what? Is 'unfactuality' a word? Emico 06:09, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
  • "With no authoritative outside sources", you said it best. Emico 16:46, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Why don't you go find some, add the information here, and make a first in your life- a worthwhile contribution to the Wikipedia?Onlytofind 21:45, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
          • The church makes very bold statements to the fact that Felix Manalo was the instrument for the resurrection of the original church but, their evidence is in a very, very broad interpretation of the Bible, often out of context. Their interpretations, when read in complete context totally defy logic.... They rely on phrases dealing with a "ravenous bird", or "from the east". They refer to Felix Manalo as the "ravenous bird"; hardly a compliment. They also define "east" as "far east", and that being the Philippines. When referring to the "east", Paul was speaking to the Israelites, and it had nothing to do with the Philippines.

[edit] Minor Edits and Removal of Dispute Template

  • As stated. After a few (I hope) minor edits, I think the article now can stand on its own. Ealva 03:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Notwithstanding the fact no verifiable sources were provided? Emico 13:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • I'll have to agree with Emico on this one. Although it's near impossible to find authoritive sources on the Manalo family online or off, we should at least find some form of source credit to add to the article. I mean, there was some place we learned all that's written in that article, unless it's from personal experience ("I know about this because I was/am part of it") with the subject themselves (such as most of the INC article). Almost -- if not -- all the biographical articles in Wikipedia are unauthorized. So it comes to no shock that this one is as well. Although this article must also follow Wikipedia's rules, noneoftheless. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 19:58, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree, and stand corrected. Added dispute tag (as opposed to "totally disputed"). The tag should stand until such time verifiable sources are cited. Ealva 03:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Because there isn't a dispute over a specific part of this article, only it's lack of sources, who feels the {{DisputeCheck}} template should be used instead? This template reads: "This article requires attention because it may contain inaccuracies. A Wikipedian has nominated this article to be checked for accuracy. Currently there may not be a specific dispute, but the content may need discussion on the talk page."
      • Agreed. That's one more template in my Wiki vocabulary. :-) Ealva 05:05, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • And the absolute authority for it's accuracy is the subject of the article. --Emico 14:53, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • No, the absolute authority for an article's accuracy is its consistence with facts from independently verifiable sources.--Onlytofind 02:53, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Footnote

Raygirvan, in the footnate, the reader needs to be somehow informed why is it that if Felix Manalo did not claim to be the founder, why the article says founder. The remedy to this would be to take out the founder and remove the footnote. I think that's best, let me just do it now. --Emico 06:46, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Probably more significant than just being the first Executive Minister, Felix Manalo IS the de facto founder. He was the one who established Iglesia ni Cristo.
    • Totally POV.--Emico 13:51, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Removed "Non-members of the Iglesia ni Cristo who do not accept that Felix Manalo is God's messenger regard him as the Church's founder." as it is unnecessarily hostile against non-INC members and represents more POV than fact.--Ironbrew 22:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
        • I've gone ahead and removed the founder/exec minister reference to FYM. If one wants to find out who FYM is, they can see his article. --LBMixPro(Speak on it!) 09:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
        • Agreed.Ipso-Facto 02:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I had difficulty finding sources on this person. I'm not sure I'd ever heard of this religion until I came here. What I found and used is a bit gushy sounding I think, but anyway there you go. I don't think I can do much else with it after this last touch up.--T. Anthony 12:57, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Here's the scoop: Though Felix Y. Manalo is listed as the founder of the INC in its registration (I will provide the link to the image & also a Pasugo reference tomorrow), the official teaching of the INC is that it was founded by Jesus and not by FYM.Guava wrench 06:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Financial situations?

"The INC under him takes an active role in working with the financial situations of its members." <--Where did this come from? Is there a source? The INC does not ask the members about their 'financial' situations, though they are active in monitoring the condition of members and try to influence government policy in a way that will help the members. The INC also has projects to help the livelihoods of members. This sentence seems very misleading.Guava wrench 06:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure as to what that sentence means. I'm assuming it means what you said. By all means, change it to make it more clear. This article needs a lot of work anyways, maybe a complete rewrite of the fourth paragraph, since it looks very sloppy and somewhat off-topic. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 07:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

If I have some time this week I will edit this article and provide sources, probably from Pasugo/God's Message. There is much information in old pages that has been removed for which I have references. Guava wrench 05:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)