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[edit] Question

How should this template be used when an episode article with alternate names gets merged/redirected? E.g. Citizen Joe and Citizen Joe (Stargate SG-1), and potentially Citizen Joe (Stargate SG-1 episode)? It's either episodes appearing as duplicates in the category, or not properly. – sgeureka ^t•c 14:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Good question. The best I was able to figure out from my readings last night/this morning would be to certainly put the ER to list entry on Citizen Joe (the article's "official name"), and the regular alternate name one on the rest? I could be wrong though. :P Collectonian (talk) 14:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Last question (for now): I have previously used {{R from merge}} because of its message to not delete the redirect "in order to preserve its edit history" (for possible article resurrection), even when I merged nothing (because there was nothing to merge). Is it still advisable to use {{R from merge}} in such a case now, or can we expand the message of {{ER to list entry}} to also say something about not just deleting the redirect? – sgeureka ^t•c 00:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I think either ER can be added, or just use both templates. I've been putting both when using it for a merge, and ER to list entry alone where the redirect was created just to be a shortcut to the list. Collectonian (talk) 02:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I like it

And just wonder how it should be used. Do you add this to every episode that's been redirected or just one from a series? Also, do you do this to all episode articles that have been redirected or just ones where the redirection is contested? Hewinsj (talk) 15:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It should be for any episode that is redirected to an episode list page. Yes, it's a lot of work if a large episode set is merged down, but it does help for future referencing. --MASEM 16:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, just checking for clarification. I'm working on moving episodes from an animated series to the list of episodes for that show, and while I prefer the list I wouldn't mind doing this while I'm at it. Hewinsj (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I like the template too and would like to get ready to use it retroactively, but I don't like the template's name because it sounds like the hospital show. Does someone have a better idea? – sgeureka ^t•c 16:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately it follows other specific-type redirects (MER for middle earth topic redirects, CR for comic-related redirects.) Now, that's not to say we can create a template that redirects to the proper name for the redirect, maybe "EpR to list entry". --MASEM 17:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion...

As I see this is gaining use, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to add an optional parameter to this function that identifies the TV series such that the categoriy of redirected episodes would populate (what should be) a subcategory "(show) episode redirects to lists" of the main "Episode redirects to lists" category. The only problem is that this requires a one-time step that once the sub-category is active, the sub-cat must be included in the "Episode redirects to lists" category; this step can be mentioned in the docs. --MASEM 15:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

An excellent idea. This will be needed to make this manageable when the template gets widespread use. -- Ned Scott 15:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Great idea. I had to read this a couple times to make sense of it; I suggest including a clear example in the docs. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I've made the addition, and I already see people jumping on its use. Note that I've added a trackign category that we should be able to use to find articles that aren't sorted into series correctly. --MASEM 16:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting question here on this template use: Would it make sense that redirected episode articls should also include the general category for the TV series' episodes? In other words, what I've set up here is all WP administration and not general use. But for a casual user, if they click to "Stargate SG-1 episodes", would it not be reasonable to include all redirected episodes into that list? --MASEM 17:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if you're referring to my action a few minutes ago, but I just did that for SG-1, and I think it works great. – sgeureka ^t•c 17:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I made my comment below without looking at Category:Stargate SG-1 episodes. I agree this looks like the right way to organize these. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, not sure I understand. I'd say:

Redirected episode articles should be included in the category for the TV series' episodes. If possible, it should be a subcategory identified as redirects, so that editors using that list will know which links are redirects, and which are articles.
Lists of redirected episodes should not be included in articles because that is not reader-informative encyclopedic content.

/ edg ☺ ☭ 17:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Must be too early for me to verbalize this well :-)

As Sgeureka noted above, he classified the tv series specific episode redirection category as part of "stargate sg-1" episodes. Thus, that category contains 1) all the standalone episode pages spelled out, and 2) a subcat for the redirects. I think that's definitely a good idea. I was only suggesting on expanding that so that each episode (redirect or not) would be in that list for the non-editor to quickly find an episode by name, in addition to having the redirection sub-cat, but I see what you're saying about making it easy to identify better. --MASEM 18:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I think such automatically generated complete lists would duplicate the purpose of (presumably existing, since we're redirecting to them) List of XXX episodes articles, which do the job better and without requiring the creation of probably unneeded redirects. / edg ☺ ☭ 18:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)