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[edit] proper place for conspiracies to run free
trying to get a conspiracy based wiki up and running. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikiconspiracy. check it out, add input. most of all help me get it running (I'm kinda amature over here)--Matt D 03:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
i think u shouldnt patronize omada epsilon if ur not greek because otherwise u r a parrot tries to speak greek
- For one, I am Greek, or else I would have no way of acquiring all that info about "Omada Epsilon" because (luckily or not) it's not heard of nor "influent" outside of Greece. If you find the article patronizing, then provide clear indications, contribute in correcting or changing crucial points or mark it as POV EpiVictor 18:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It's very easy to gather whatever "data" there is about this "Epsilon Team": the books of Kalogerakis, Keramidas (member of ultra-nationalist, christian fanatic party LAOS) and Fourakis (which make for a rather fun read), the articles in the occultist/paranoia/conspiracy theory magazines, as well as the outrageous claims these people have made in Hardavellas' TV shows. The entry in Wikipedia does nothing but debunk this urban legend, whose creation was nothing but sheer profiteering; and this is a particularly good thing. Elp gr 00:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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- rm POV parts (a whole long paragraph) about paganists. Other remarks look a liitle bit like original research i.e. a Wikipedia no-no. Others are ironic. More or less, Elp gr is right although some of the remarks in the article seem POV and far too critical. cubic[*]star > Talk 22:22, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
From the Epsilon Team article: The Epsilon Team (In Greek: Ομάδα Έψιλον, Omada Epsilon) is an urban legend about a probably entirely imaginary secret society consisting of an elite team of Greek engineers, academics, pilots, powerful businessmen and politicians etc. manufacturing and piloting UFOs.
Their symbol is a Delphic Epsilon, looking like two Epsilons connected back to back and considered to appear on their "UFOs" and on ancient ancient Greek monuments as well.
Besides the general information that is provided above, there is really nothing more known about this highly secretive organization. So why get into all kinds of information suggesting that Epsilon is racist or anti-Semitic based on what some people that may or my not represent them say? What are the independent organizations or sources (excluding lobby groups) that have suggested that the Epsilon Team is anti-Semitic? Why is it suggested (by using clever writing formulation) that going against globalization is a bad thing?
Guys sorry but these http://www.ysee.gr/ are not anti-semites nor are they epsilon promoters .They are just pagans(whatever that is exactly).could you remove them ?
From the website you indicated:
"Ποια η θέση σας για τις θεωρίες περί της «Ομάδας Ε»;
Το παραμύθι περί μίας μεσσιανικής ομάδας Υπερελλήνων που θα μας «σώσουν» τάχα από τους εθνικούς μας «εχθρούς», έχει κατασκευασθεί από εκείνους που το κατασκεύασαν, με σαφή σκοπό να εγκλωβίσει πολλούς ημιμαθείς ή μεσσιανολάτρες στην παθητικότητα μίας εσαεί αναμονής αυτών των ανύπαρκτων «εθνοσωτήρων», όπως ακριβώς οι χριστιανοί περιμένουν την Δεύτερη «Παρουσία» του Τζεσούα. Σκοπός αυτού του παραμυθιού είναι να αδρανοποιήσει, να κατευνάσει, να αποκοιμίσει ή να τρελάνει. Αυτή η χονδροειδής εξουσιαστική απάτη στηρίζεται ωστόσο στο γεγονός ότι ήδη η αυτενέργεια ή το αυθυπεύθυνο των ανθρώπων της μάζας είναι ανύπαρκτα, μετά από ειδική «προετοιμασία» τους στα ορθόδοξα σχολεία, στην ορθόδοξη οικογένεια και εν γένει στο γνωστό διαρκές «κατηχητικό» που καθηλώνει τη χώρα μας στο βυζαντινό σκότος.
Roughly, the guys at http://www.ysee.gr/ state that the "epsilon team" is just a messianic construct meant to confuse the ignorant and the uninformed masses by means of deception, terror and even insanity, and they dissociate themselves clearly, so where exactly are PAGANS shows as antisemites? Epsilonists are declaredly antisemite, as there can't be two nations of "chosen people" on the same world (and extreme Zionism proclaims Jews to be the chosen race, so how couldn't a construct such as the epsilon team avoid this "confrontation" ?). EpiVictor 12:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- The reason for the inclusion of their link is that they are pagans, and pagans are cited in this article as opposers of the epsilon team. At most a clarification could be placed in the link (pagans!=epsilonists) but I think it's largely unnecessary. EpiVictor 12:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cyprus
If these guys existed, one would think that their UFO's would have targeted the Turkish convoys in 1974. Perhaps the Turk now has the Sword of Longinus, preventing their actions in the same way Superman was unable to defeat the Axis. <G>
If these guys existed, one would think that their UFO's would have targeted the Turkish convoys in 1974. Perhaps the Turk now has the Sword of Longinus, preventing their actions in the same way Superman was unable to defeat the Axis.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Epsilon_Team"
You might find this story interesting: http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80672
Ha ha ha! So the almighty "Epsilon team" performs acrobatic airshows in the Aegean, but could not be bothered to stop the Turks where it mattered, ie the Turkish invasion of Cyprus? That's comedy golden, right there! 212.251.126.235 16:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- lool. I liked the news story :) Baristarim 07:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually..
In 1974, Turkish forces suffered major casualties - infantry and tanks- AND only managed to capture 37% of Cyprus. Think about it - bringing up Cyprus would actually be defeating your argument. Not that I believe in the Epsilon Team, but if Greek Cypriot forces could ultimately resist an invasion from a country of 70.000.000 people, it itself is rather remarkable. AND if the Epsilon Team did exist, they would occur in very small numbers - no matter how advanced they are or regardless of their influence, they would not have been able to defend/reclaim the entire island. I repeat - I DO NOT believe the Epsilon Team exists, all I'm saying is that if you want to attack the credibility of such a notion, choose a better argument. (hey, i'm helping you out here). The Greek article on the Epsilon Team briefly explores the outcome of the Cyprus conflict as a reason FOR the team's existence.
Oh, and the following is in response to:
One of the few common points is however that the Epsilon team has always helped and protected the Greek People and culture through the centuries. However, all supporters fail to give a satisfactory answers and use elusive statements when asked to explain how the omnipotent Epsilon team could be absent during hardships such as the persecution of Greek pagans by the Christian church (which is well-documented in both Patrologia Graeca and Patrologia Latina, as well as the sermons of many ecclesiastical figures of a very high stature), the fall of Constantinople and the subsequent 400-year Ottoman dominion was imposed on Greece, when the burning of Smyrna took place in 1922 and when other minor or major ethnic problems like the Cyprus dispute or the Imia-Kardak crisis took place.
Just pointing out that in 1453, 5.000 Byzantines were protecting the city, yet managed to inflict over 100.000 casualties (okay, I know there are some that do not agree with this, so let's just come to a conclusion and say that they inflicted A LOT. Happy?) Taking into account the overwhelming numerical advantage of the Ottomans, the impact of a society such as the Epsilon Team in the Fall of Constantinople is a completely plausible notion, striving and doing everything in its powers to defend the Empire to the end. The above paragraph states that - if it existed - the team was absent from the event. The 400 year Ottoman dominion encountered constant Greek rebellion (usually occurring each generation) until the successful revolution began in 1821. 1922 - I think we all know what happened, but we like to deny it don't we ;-) In case you don't know what I am talking about, the primary reason behind the failure of Greece's Asia Minor campaign (or 'disaster') was the withdrawal of the Great Powers from Turkey, AND their eventual support FOR the new Turkish government..although it is denied by many, it is a fact that Britain released captured Turkish soldiers in return for captured British troops...France practically gave over 1,000,000 rifles to Kemal's forces...if this isn't considered 'support', I do not know what is. Back onto the Epsilon Team, they would not be able to sway or defeat the Great Powers of the time - even if they existed and were present and active on the matter. Cyprus - I explained above. Imia - if I'm not mistaken, Greek forces captured the larger island?
On a closing note: I DO NOT believe that the Epsilon Team exists, but I firmly contend that the depicted paragraph of the article is not effective or appropriate for discrediting its existence. 211.28.40.145 15:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Symbols" section
I think that the paragraph on whether epsilon is the initial letter of "Hellenic" is far too long. It seems apparent that the paragraph is addressing a controversy over whether this is true or not, but there is simply too much detail for an encyclopedia article here. Most readers have never heard of the controversy and do not need this detailed rebuttal.
Because there are no clear citations in support of the text, this paragraph also smells like original research.
To avoid both problems, we should replace the current paragraph with a much shorter account and a reference to the omitted details at some reputable source.Phiwum 20:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merger "Dispute"
It seems that this so-called "merger dispute" has been in a state of limbo for quite a while. I think it would be best to end it now so that we can all move forward. To be perfectly honest, there is no need to merge the articles. Yes, it is understandable why someone would want the articles to be merged since Epsilonism has a paragraph discussing the Epsilon Team. However, Epsilonism and the Epsilon Team should remain separate. Epsilonism is mainly a discussion of the tenets of a very strange ideology that generally lists those individuals/organizations who support them. The Epsilon Team article mainly discusses the history, ideological dynamics, membership hierarchy, and activities of the organization itself. Deucalionite 19:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comment
The article was very interesting and not badly written at all.. With some inline citations and couple of more pictures it can be GA.. Baristarim 07:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Quote
I hate the idea that they secretly rule the United States of America (According to sentence 1 of the article: The Epsilon Team (In Greek: Ομάδα Έψιλον, Omadha Epsilon) is a persistent rumor concerning a secret society consisting of an elite team of Greek engineers, academics, pilots, powerful businesspeople and politicians etc. manufacturing and piloting UFOs and supposedly working for major international forces or even secretly ruling the United States of America.) I am a resident of the USA and I do not want to ruled by Greeks. iXela talk 21:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Existence
I do not beleive that the Epsilon Team exists. It is just a silly rumor, and this is definitely not true. 71.193.65.110 (talk) 23:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
