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[edit] Peak oil

Hi Environment2100, thanks for the addition to Peak oil. A few of us are working on the page at the moment, to source out the entire article. Do you happen to have any source that discusses the issue you mentioned? If so, that would help us improve the article. Thanks, Plinkit (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph we're discussing is about what would happen if the price of oil shot up like it did in the 1970's. This might have a huge impact on the economy in a lot of different ways. If a country wanted to lessen the effect of this "price shock", what could it do? Well, if it has taxes which also raise the price of oil, it is a FACT that the taxes could be lowered. Now, I AGREE with you that it would be very painful for a government to lower the taxes, because they have probably reached a point where they count on that money in their annual budgets. But, someone put those statements there, and as far as I can tell they are FACTUALLY correct. If you have a way to argue that the facts as I laid out in the disscussion section are not accurate, please say so. However, I believe that the last version was a good compromise between what you are trying to say and what I am trying to say. I put your claim in the last version incase you didn't notice. I have tried compromising with you at least three times already, so please read carefully what I wrote on both the article and the talk page, and see if you can help me understand what you think is wrong with the statements. So far you are arguing that you want it to say what it already says. [GW]24.225.185.179 (talk) 07:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry Environment2100, but you are mistaken. I showed two seperate articles that show there is discussion about lowering oil taxes even before the very high oil prices of the past two years. That prooves that some people in European governments believe it is an option (otherwise how could there be a discussion). The version I have proposed states both sides of the story, as Wikipedia demands.
As far as sources go, you have given several sources in French, which would be great for the French Wiki site, but you have to at least try to find English versions if you want to use them here. Also, this is very Franco-centric of you, as I happen to know of several other countries in Europe.
How can you argue that taxes can never go down? I cited three articles about European countries cutting taxes in the past few years. Cutting taxes seems to be getting popular, and if oil prices rise even more, the other article I mentioned (as well as the whole section this is coming from) show how damaging this can be to a country's economy unless there is a way to bring prices down. Believe me, if oil keeps going up the way it has been doing, European countries will be looking for a way to offset the pain of those prices on their people and industries, and one of those ways is indeed and UNDENIABLY lowering gas taxes. If you can find a source that contradicts anything I just said, please provide it.
Your arguments so far have been that "this is wrong", and "the French government hasn't done it, so it will never happen." These are not acceptable arguments, and if you do not have a source which supports your possition explicitly by tomorrow I will put the statements back in (with the new sources that I have already stated above). It will still represent your position, so I don't see what problem you can possibly have with the statements. If you remove the statements I will ask an administrator to look this over and consider your unconstructive edits.[GW]24.225.185.179 (talk) 05:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Peak oil. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. The information you removed is well sourced and NPOV and adds to the subject. If you have information to contribute, please feel free.

[edit] December 2007

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Predicting the timing of peak oil. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Jauerback (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good points

You make 5 extremely good points at Talk:Oil price increases since 2003‎. Thank you. NJGW (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] 1980s oil glut

Hi Environnement2100. I replaced EIA nominal graph and chronology on the 1980s oil glut with one with The Real and Nominal price of oil from 1971 to 2007. I just added link to 1980-1989_world_oil_market_chronology . (Halgin (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)).

I have not problem with having a time line or chronology in the article. (Halgin (talk) 00:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Predicting the timing of peak oil

The section you are restoring is not about the content of the page but about your assumption of my motives. The article talk page is for what words should be used in the article, not about what I did or didn't do and why. Discuss my actions on my talk page. Wikipedia:Talk#how_to_use_article_talk_pages:

  • Keep on topic: Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal.
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  • Deal with facts: The talk page is the ideal place for all issues relating to verification. This includes asking for help to find sources, comparing contradictory facts from different sources, and examining the reliability of references. Asking for a verifiable reference to support a statement is often better than arguing against it.
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Further unconstructive edits will be considered disruptive and vandalism. NJGW (talk) 15:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You are correct: "Never edit someone's words to change their meaning." Well, I didn't edit your words, I only moved them to the appropriate forum. There is a big difference between moving and editing. As you can see above: Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal. NJGW (talk) 16:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
"I noticed you erased your user page in the same purpose" I have no idea what you're talking about here. Please provide the dif that shows this. NJGW (talk) 16:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)