Talk:Enterprise: Temporal Cold War

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This article reads like an advertisement, talking about supposed features or aspects of a mod that hasn't been released. There is no establishment of notability, such as this mod being the subject of an objective third-party commentary. All together, while well-intentioned, this whole article looks to be linkspam. (The same is true for a few other mod articles I saw.) Please cite third-party sources/commentary in references by the end of the weekend, otherwise I will nominate this article for deletion. --EEMeltonIV 13:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't exactly understand why
This statement of yours can be applied to lots of other Half-life 2 mods listed on Wikipedia - most notably to the Black Mesa mod. Still, I haven't seen any report there that would have called it an "advertisement"...
I disagree with you in calling this article subjective. I carefully tried to evade subjectivity. The links where the information can be found are present at the end of the article at the "external links" section - and it lists not only the mod's site. I haven't stated any speculation, if you compare this article to the Black Mesa (mod) article, you would see that the two are in fact very similar in style. I don't understand why you have such problems with this article that would require speedy deletion, if you do not have any problem with other articles of the same kind - with the same properties... Anyway, I extend the links section at the end with other sources...
JohnBart 15:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I haven't looked at Black Mesa. However, on Wikipedia the argument "Well, this article has property X, too -- why aren't you also editing, putting maintenance tags, etc. up there also?" is not compelling, simply because of the size of the site. If Black Mesa, however, has the same structure, tone and presentation as this article, then, yes, it too should have a {{notability}} tag to push its editors.
My issue with this article is that there is no assertion of real-world notability. Has this mod been the subject of an objective third-party press coverage or research? Has it garnered a meaningful recognition in the gaming community? If not, I don't see it meeting Wikipedia's notability requirements. Ditto for a few other Half-Life mods I also tagged. Attention from a third party or reception of a significant recognition -- i.e. having notability -- is an appropriate "cutting off" point so that Wikipedia isn't also loaded with chaff like "Uncle Zeke's mod to make the railgun purple that he cooked up on LSD one night". --EEMeltonIV 16:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
You should take a look at it. My article's layout is largely based on that one. And I think that my argument is rightful because similar articles deserve equal treatment, whatever their topic is.
Maybe I will look at it. On the other hand, if you manage to establish notability from reliable sources for this article, perhaps your next project can be providing the same for Black Mesa. --EEMeltonIV 17:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
About real-world notability: Considering the fact that not a single computer game in history had a huge impact on a nation's history, economy or foreign policy, or on the whole humanity so far, it would be possible to delete every article about every computer game on Wikipedia, assuming your logic... As they do not hold any notability for most people - except gamers.
Rather than offer a glib response, please take a look at the notability guidelines. Significant press coverage generally is a step toward establishing notability. --EEMeltonIV 17:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I am going to upload the press coverage of the mod, and I have included most of the sources from which I assembled this article.JohnBart 16:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
A screenshot is a step in the right direction. You should integrate the press coverage's approach to the mod into the article. Note that the article still does not cite any references/sources for its assorted assertions. --EEMeltonIV 17:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep it up guys

Just a note to say cheers for the info and I hope to see the mod actualise soon. Remember that Wiki does need to have standards followed, similar to the fashion that the scripting language for a mod must be adhered to, so don't take EEMeltonIV's asking for links to back up the mod to heart.

EEMelton, it would help if you realise and appreciate that not all Wiki users have the time nor knowledge to follow every Wiki procedure to the letter from the outset, especially when creating modifications for complicated game engines instead of specialising in representing their efforts on public resources.

Using friendly and informative language which instructs users over a formative period will create a better summative result for everyone. Instead of pushing for a speedy deletion and phrasing 'glib' into your responses, whilst ignoring 'similar' mod articles, proper teaching for understanding, or Understanding by Design, methods could be incorporated.
If you feel the compulsion to help with Wiki, help. If you feel the need to hinder head somewhere where you'll get the appropriate recognition for it. I have used your current profile within this edit as the link I've cited. You claim to be a teacher, up it follow by using current teaching techniques here or create a new body of techniques for education which can surpass determined scrutiny by contemporary experts.

People volunteer time and effort from their day to add to this resource. Respect that not all are educated on how to fully achieve this and assist them instead of pushing a hegemonic agenda which is reflected throughout the failings of social justice.

I'm looking forward to this mod and can't wait to see how it pans out. Hopefully this might inspire more people to create mods based on established fiction.
Take care. Scott Lyon (talk) 14:39, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Magazine scan

I've removed the image Image:PCZone TCW.jpg. It's purpose of use was "To prove that the modification is widely recognized". To do this you need only use Template:Cite journal and write a bit of prose describing what the source says. This the "writing an encyclopedia" bit of Wikipedia. Marasmusine (talk) 08:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)