Talk:ENTP

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 13 April 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

Why am I not surprised that this page remains thin while, say, INTJ has pages of lengthy commentary? Could it be that we all are intending to flesh it out extensively, but none of us has gotten around to it yet? -leigh (φθόγγος) 17:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

see my comment below. the INTJ description was a copyvio anyway. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 01:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Type Descriptions

I just deleted the descriptions on all of these personality types. A lot of them were copyvios from different sources, several of them being from http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ , where they may or may not have been copied from other locations. Nonetheless, the three theories of MBTI, Keirsey Temperaments, and Socionics are quite different and require different descriptions of types, functions, relations, and other concepts. Socionics especially differs from the other two. The three theories should all be expanded upon in Wikipedia, but it is impossible to do this while there is a conglomeration of these three theories and they are treated as one and the same. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 01:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

We ENTPs were going to finish editing the page, but got distracted.

I'm not sure it's quite accurate to say, "More so than other types, ENTPs can 'think outside the box' and come up with fresh, unexpected solutions to difficult problems." All four types with dominant intuition excel at creative problem solving. The difference is in what they apply their creative problem solving to. For instance, INFJs are likely to be better than ENTPs at helping individuals solve personal problems. So I removed the phrase "More so than other types" for now, until someone can better define in what arena of problem-solving ENTPs are better than the other types. (BTW, I didn't edit this article as drastically as the diff would seem to indicate. I mainly moved things around and removed a few "very"s and "incredibly"s. Intensifiers like that tend to weaken text anyway.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeOfCups (talk • contribs) 15:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Links

I was looking at the links, and typetango is a dating site. I'm not familiar with the rules, so if this is actually innapropriate, someone might want to delete that.

[edit] MBTI Types

These pages are pretty low-quality. Would be nice if all the types followed the same structure and had the same amount of detail. INTJ/INTP are huge, whereas this one and many others have hardly anything at all (as previously stated). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.84.136.2 (talk) 02:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on making these pages more consistent. As you might expect, however, each article seems to be edited most by people who fall under that type or a similar one. This means that the focus of the INTP page, for example, is completely different than the ESFP page. There's value in each of these approaches, so perfect consistency may not be a reasonable goal. If the character of the article reflects the character of the type to a certain degree, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. ThreeOfCups (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] explain

someone explain why my additions have been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red aries (talk • contribs) 13:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Red aries. I reverted the changes because you did not supply a verifiable, reliable source for the ENTPs you added to the list. If you look in the history, there were some edits that removed names as "suspect" because they were not listed at Keirsey. I took the time to compile the current list with references (sometimes multiple references) for each name. If you know where you read that Mao Zedong and Julius Ceasar were ENTPs I'd be happy to help you format the reference. If you have any questions feel free to contact me on my talk page. MoodyGroove (talk) 13:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

[edit] However, lol

I like how the paragraph following the heading "ENTP Profile" begins at least four sentences with the word "however." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.73.38 (talk) 01:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable ENTPs

I strongly recommend that this section be deleted. The information may be fun, but it has no place in an encyclopedia. There's no factual basis for the claim that Alexander the Great, for example, was an ENTP. Such unscientific speculation is fodder for skeptics. It screams 'pop psyschology' and casts doubt on the integrity of the entire system. A link to the Keirsey site would make the information available to interested readers without undermining the validity of this article. ThreeOfCups (talk) 02:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

I created templates for text that's the same across all 16 type articles to eliminate the hours of work it takes to update the same text 16 times. This is a recommended use for templates according to Wikipedia policy WM:TEMP.

To edit the templates:
1. Click the Edit link on the section of the article you want to change.
2. Select and copy the title of the template page (the text between the double braces).
3. Paste the copied text into the Wikipedia search box and press Go (not Search).
This will take you to the template. Make sure that the changes you make to the templates are appropriate for all 16 type articles! (INFJ, ESTP, etc.) ThreeOfCups (talk) 03:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of Extraversion

The MBTI, Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and related Jung Typology assessments use the original spelling, Extraversion, rather than the modern corruption, Extroversion. In this context, Extraversion is jargon and should be thus spelled. ThreeOfCups (talk) 15:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)