Template talk:England topics

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Templates for deletion This template was considered for deletion on 2006 July 10. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Deletion

I would vote for this to go, or at least to be changed considerably in content. The topics verge on offensive caricature; they certainly present a very lopsided view of England. If it is to be kept, I think some thought should be given to the purpose the navbox is supposed to serve. (Also Yanks should be debarred from adding anything to it....) 212.219.56.214 14:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC) beckham was born in 1444 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.33.23.186 (talk) 22:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template Design

I do not whether I missed anything in the discussion, but I really dislike the new design of this template, which I believe ought to be kept in the same design as all of the other templates for the home nations of the United Kingdom. As well as providing continuity, the design is also a nicer layout and I would prefer that this be restored.

For example:

Home Nations

Scotland, Wales, N Ireland:

v • d • e
Northern Ireland topics
History
Northern Ireland
Politics
Geography
Demographics
Culture
Sport
Symbols

and then, England

v • d • e
Flag of England England topics
History
Politics
Geography
Demographics
Culture
Symbols
England portal

Lofty 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It seems that the change in style was a result of the AfD discussion as the discussion was very recent I'm a bit reluctant to change the format immediately. I have created a possible alternative in my user space, though, just in case:
User:Daduzi/England template
 Topics on England
History Anglo-Saxon England · The Blitz · Elizabethan era · Civil War · Jacobean era · Kingdom of England · Norman Conquest · English Reformation · English Renaissance · Tudor period · Union with Scotland · Wars of the Roses
Politics Government of England · Parliament of England · Monarchy of England · National Flag · List of English flags · Royal Arms
Geography Regions · Counties · Districts · Gardens · Islands · Places · Towns · Parishes
Economy Bank of England · London Stock Exchange
Demographics English English · Famous English people · English people
Culture Castles · Church of England · Education · English cricket team · The Football Association  · Museums · English rugby team · Innovations & discoveries · Roast beef · St George's Day
Symbols National Flag | List of English flags | Royal Arms

--Daduzi talk 12:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

There is already a template for topics on Northern Ireland, based on the designs of the topics of all of the Constituent countries. The template was created for use in the Northern Ireland article, the Northern Ireland portal and the Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board and no notice was given on the template's talk page about any AfD discussion. --Mal 08:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roast beef???

How is that an "England topic"? I was not aware that we ate any more beef in England than anywhere else. (I'm a vegetarian by the way, so I don't eat any). I'd have thought something like Tea would be slightly better than roast beef... Mahahahaneapneap 13:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, it seems ridiculous to have that in this template. I propose that it is removed. Bob talk 10:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
You do know that the French call us rosbifs? (Fairs fair, we call them frogs or froggies) if you would expect a reference to snails & frogs legs when discussing french cuisine (& I would) then I think roast beef sould be mentioned when discussing the English. I like it, tongue in cheek & self deprecating. I'm going to re-instate pending further discussion. MGSpiller 22:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced that it is notable enough to be in a topic box, especially when it's such a poor page. As the above commentator suggests, there are a number of English dishes and drinks that are culturally important. I have changed the reference to link to British cuisine. Bob talk 10:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
That's a better solution than removal, I didn't look at the pages to be honest. Certainly the one you linked to is a better page. MGSpiller 19:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History

Wouldn't the History sections of these templates be better served in chronological order instead of alphabetical like the others? --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 19:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Law

Shouldn't this template include English law, not least becuase it is one of the most wide-spread models for legal systems in the developed world? Suggest expanding "Government" section to include "Government and Law" Dick G 03:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)