Talk:English royal mistress
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I won't tag it whilst DYK is pending, but the style & historical accuracy here are not good, and you have to check where links like George Villiers actually go. Also per WP:ENGVAR UK English should be used. Johnbod (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I will try to clean up the various links later in the day. I am a bit concerned though that the tone of the article is inapropriate. Full of innuendo and smug amusement. Dimadick (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- I couldn't get past the inexplicable reservation expressed in "English royal mistress is the unofficial title... Most often female..." The article Favourite is down-played to a mere aside on Buckingham. --Wetman (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Links
A quick note about putting in links for the names of monarchs. As wikipedia is international, if you link George I , wikipdedia cannot tell the difference between George I of Greece or 'George I of Great Britain'. To actually link to the right page, you need to link 'George I of Great Britain'. However, if that's going to disrupt the flow of the prose too much you can do it as 'George I of Great Britain | George I' in '[[]]' , this will get you to the right page, but only 'George I' will be shown in the text. To see how this is done, have a look at the page in edit mode, and see how this link is arranged. Gone through and fixed the links now, hope I got them all! Indisciplined (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eleanor of Aquitaine
The article currently claims: "The opposite –like Eleanor of Aquitaine, wive of Henry II, who is reputed to have murdered Rosamund Clifford, her husband’s much younger mistress and spent the latter part of her life in house arrest because of it".
The article on Eleanor agrees that "Nevertheless, rumours persisted, perhaps assisted by Henry's camp, that Eleanor had poisoned Rosamund." That part seems to be true. However Rosamund only died in 1176. Eleanor was imprisoned since 1173 due to her involvement in the Revolt of 1173–1174.
Also Eleanor only spent 1173-1189 in captivity. She was released in 1189, as soon as Henry died. Until her death in 1204, Eleanor was again a free woman. Dimadick (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- This article is full of nonsense - just hack away. Whilst in that period, you might add Ed ii's favourites, since James I's are in. Johnbod (talk) 16:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] William Monson
On the subject of favourites of James I there is a line with little explanation: "the ambitious Howard family dangled a boy named William Monson before James."
We have articles on two contemporaries of James I with that name. Admiral William Monson (1569 - 1643) and his son William Monson, 1st Viscount Monson (c. 1608 - 1673). A biographical article on the first one mentions
"By the beginning of 1618 Monson was so frustrated at his continued exclusion from office that he evidently consented to a scheme devised by the Suffolk faction to topple the new royal favourite, George Villiers, marquess of Buckingham. It involved his own second son, William, a youth of eighteen, whose handsome features it was thought would divert the gaze of the king from Villiers. In the event the flaunting of young Monson merely served to irritate James, who ordered the young man to be banished from his presence. Any hopes that Monson may have entertained thereafter of recovering favour were finally dashed in July 1619 with the fall of the Howards."
Any ideas about the sources for this little affair? Dimadick (talk) 18:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Nothing I think in Personal relationships of James I of England, but perhaps there should be? qp10qp is one of the experts there & at the main bio. I have edited the James section to a level where he can probably be introduced to this article without great risk of a coronary. Johnbod (talk) 23:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] John Brown
As we are being thorough, I have added John Brown under Queen Victoria, with qualifications. There's been a lot of speculation, both at the time and since, about their relationship, though there is probably little truth in it. Indisciplined (talk) 20:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Popincourt
"His [Henry8] first mistress, in 1514, was a Frenchwoman named Jane Popincourt, a tutor in languages to Henry’s sisters Margaret and Mary. Though very little is known of her, her promiscuity was so prominent that even the French king would allow her back to his court, known for its promiscuity"
- is a "not" missing? Johnbod (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
