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Blocking IP

The user as I have reported to the Administrator's bulletinboard has delibertly sought to destroy Wikipedia articles, as well as humilating or mocking religion. I believe that his edits were bad faith, even though he has stopped, OTHER USERS have warned him to stop vandalizing Wikipedia. Appropiate actions such as a block should be implemented first. If he requests for unblock, review it and perhaps see if his motivations were ethical. (Users who aren't blocked in the first place will usually continue vandalizing Wikipedia) Prowikipedians (talk) 07:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocking is not used for punishment. It looks like 59.10.224.124 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log) stopped, perhaps in response to warnings, though it was 5+ hours ago. Or maybe he moved to another IP address. Either way, a block is unlikely to be effective, and more likely to prevent legitimate users from editing. —EncMstr 08:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand that blocking is not used for punishment. I also understand the fact that this block may prevent legitimate users from editing. Perhaps a stronger admin/user lookup for Wikipedia? Prowikipedians (talk) 11:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Such as requiring login perhaps? That's been brought up many times and caused quite impassioned debate. —EncMstr 17:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Silvia Lancome

Thanks for protecting this article but can you roll it back to the last version by Momusufan here, which includes her birth name Silvia Krivosikova http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1162976/bio? The current version is incorrect and contains direct porn links as well as missing her birth name that the vandal believes is untrue. All edits made after momusufan is by an indef blocked vandal who shouldn't even be editing, for details see Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Beh-nam--mCtOOls 10:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Those edits aren't clearly vandalism (but might be close—hard to say in such an article). See m:The Wrong Version. —EncMstr 17:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't mention vandalism. The ips and new acount name who made multiple reverts is an 'indef blocked vandal' and you protected his version. Her true birth name was removed by him and porn sites were added into the article. Wikipedia articles are sometimes watched by under 18, including children. The article should be written similar as those found in Category:Female porn stars and also see discussion at Talk:Silvia Lancome--mCtOOls 18:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I changed it to the version you requested. Note that Wikipedia is not censored, so we don't care if kiddies watch them or not. —EncMstr 20:14, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Hate to bother you again but you erred and locked in on the banned guy's version. I was saying to lock it here at Momusufan's version which adds back her birth name, Silvia Krivosikova. The current version has many errors and is written sloppy.--mCtOOls 22:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that: I used the "restore this version" on the left side of the diff page, which is the previous edit. It should be as intended now. —EncMstr 22:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Eurovision Song Contest 2008

Just to let you know I have left a note considering unprotection of an article you semi-protected here. Thanks. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I unprotected it as it seems okay now. —EncMstr 20:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Claudette Colbert

Hello,

I just saw that Claudette Colbert had been protected due to some absurd edit war. However, I just found several sources establishing that Colbert's first name was Emilie, not Lily (the latter being most likely a nickname). It would be nice if this bit of info could be reinstated, as it had been edited out by one of the participants in the edit war. I'm not obsessed about Claudette Colbert, but as I live next to Colbert's place of birth (with the commemorative tablet bearing her real name), I was pretty much sure of my information right from the start. Thanks, Wedineinheck (talk) 08:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could take a photo, upload, and link it as a source? There wasn't any obvious vandalism in the version I froze, so unfortunately WP:The Wrong Version applies. —EncMstr 09:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunetaly, I'm not equipped to do that at the moment. However, the Larousse encyclopedia is a very reliable source. Lily is very seldom used as a real first name in France, and is generally a nickname. "Lily" is to names like "Emilie" or "Liliane" what "Bill " is to "William". Wedineinheck (talk) 10:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello; thank you for unlocking the page. I'll add a picture of Claudette Colbert's commemorative plate as soon as I can. Wedineinheck (talk) 08:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd like your input, or even some editing on Hexadecimal

EncMstr,

You've been editing many Wikipedia articles, and perhaps you're even an 'unofficial' official of the site? I'm asking your help in dealing with some decisions on Hexadecimal; especially since you have programming experience (I'm familiar with perl, C/C++, x86 Assembly myself) which I'd consider a plus on this, and many other topics I've edited or just enjoyed reading here!

My concern is about an editor who added his ideas about attempts to change the world's use of the decimal number base to hex! One editor called links like this 'boarder line crack pottery,' and reverted them. Though I wouldn't call it that, I also tried to hedge off what to me seems like a very small 'clique' trying to pass themselves off as a much larger group of our society, by stating the links that were added had no merit since they didn't deal with anything in the body of the article about the hexadecimal number system and/or its use. What did he do? He rewrote one or more sections and changed the layout of the whole article to include a "Cultural" section to include this idea that many are pushing for society to change to hexadecimal.

I'd really like someone who's been editing here for a long time (not me) to make a decision on this. I could easily say (and others have already done so, and reverted this stuff in the past) this is self-promotion since at least one link is to his own web site, but I had wanted to use a more rational approach, and thought about telling him he should edit more articles that have nothing to do with this topic before changing an article in this manner. See his 'contributions' page: Special:Contributions/Hauptmech for the fact this is about the only thing he's ever done at Wikipedia (or he's doing his edits under more than one name).

So, I'd like some feedback, or edits to the article; perhaps with comments more reasonable than my own. Daniel B. Sedory (talk) 05:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

First, saw your message on my Talk page, and of course, thank you for all the editing you did on the article! I'm glad you were able to rework the layout the way you did to also include those notes about HexTime, etc., so Hauptmech certainly can't say you just dumped everything he added. I think it's a nice balance now. I saw a few grammatical/spelling errors which I'll fix as I get time, unless someone else gets to them first. Daniel B. Sedory (talk) 06:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Manson: Protection

Life at Charles Manson became instantly civilized, with your recent semi-protection of the page.

I personally have contributed to the article for about a year — sometimes through a Wikipedia ID, sometimes through an IP address. In one or two cases in which I returned to the page after a few weeks away from it, I discovered vandalism that had gone unnoticed and that had been buried, so to speak, beneath revisions subsequent to it. Keeping up with vandalism while the page is unprotected is an almost-constant effort.

I know very little of Wikipedia’s anti-vandalism procedures. My view of the polite, escalated warnings that are sent to obvious vandals — particularly those vandals who work through IP addresses — is not favorable. I think any Wikipedia ID or any IP address that is used for vandalism should be immediately and permanently blocked. (I should imagine there is some fair way to deal with widely-available computer terminals, as, for instance, those at libraries and universities; I imagine, too, that discussion of that and related topics has taken place somewhere at Wikipedia.)

My main purpose in sending you this message is to request indefinite semi-protection — if there be such a thing — of the Manson article. If my understanding is correct, the present protection will end on April 7.71.242.159.196 (talk) 23:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, very few articles are protected or semi-protected indefinitely. George W. Bush is the example given in sysop discussions, but it looks like that isn't true either: there have been more than a dozen times when it was not protected over the last three years. It amuses me to ponder that Charles and Dubya seem to have a similar basis for protection.
I'm watching the article: if vandalism becomes a problem, I'll deal with it. I'm inclined to let the current protection expire and see how it goes. My feeling is that it will need semi-protection within a day or so. If so, it's more easily justifiable to protect it for a longer period each time. That seem okay? —EncMstr 23:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes — excellent response. Thanks.71.242.159.196 (talk) 01:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Editing my own comment

Yes -- I was editing my own comment at the Manson talk page. I'm pretty sure that when I posted the original comment, the page was locked; so I'm surprised I was able to edit it anonymously, as I apparently did. Anyway -- I'll remember to edit my comments under the same ID or IP address under which they were originally made.71.242.159.196 (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Generally, talk pages aren't protected even if the article is. Anyway, I kind of suspected you were the same person, though my talk-page-modification-by-the-wrong-user alarm made me issue the warning before I could soften it. Thanks for the confirmation. —EncMstr 18:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the locking of the talk page seemed strange; I probably imagined it. Anyway — you're welcome; your follow-up message did, in fact, give me the impression you had simply reacted quickly to apparent bad practice. Doesn't bother me; I'm glad somebody's watching out for such things.71.242.159.196 (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Vaughn Street Park

That one guy is making thousands of changes without consulting anyone, so I reverted his changes to ballparks, on principle. However, I can't get anyone interested in the subject at WP:Baseball, so evidently they don't care; and hence, neither do I. This constant shifting sand of whether to put dates in brackets or not, is the reason I typically don't mess with it. Nor will I again! I'll let the date freaks fight it out. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Understandable. As far as I know, the sand around dates hasn't changed in several years. It reduces to these simple rules:
  • If a date contains both the day and the month, write [[month day]] or [[day month]] (U.S. style or non-U.S. for those without a date preference in Special:Preferences)
  • If a year goes with a month and year, put them all in brackets: [[month day]][[year]].
Optionally, a comma and spaces can be between the bracket sets: [[month day]], [[year]]
  • Otherwise, don't put any brackets around them.
  • Exceptions seem to be limited to wiki examples, documentation, etc.
Hows that? —EncMstr 00:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Silvia Lancome‎

It's all rather sad and unfortunate business but yes I merely object to a user who has been banned by the Wikipedia community from editing. - dwc lr (talk) 12:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Columbia River

Hey there, thanks for providing some key data for sorting out the Columbia/hydropower confusion. Just got to GA, finally! Feel free to drop back in as we move to FA, your contributions are always very helpful. It's been very satisfying to see such a great team assemble around this article. -Pete (talk) 03:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Vera Katz and History

Howdy folks, its time for another installment of WikiProject Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week! Last week we made some improvements to the Oregon Coast and brought The Register-Guard up to B class while garnering a DYK! Great job to those who lent a hand. This week we finish up the High priority Stubs with former mayor and Speaker of the House, Vera Katz, which is pretty much a Start class now and could easily get to B class. We also have History of Oregon by request. Help out if you can, where you can. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

suggestion I can't implement

Hey there, can you check out my suggestion at Help talk:Contents? I can work up some specific text if you like. I don't know what the process is for changing that page, but it ain't editable by the unwashed masses :) -Pete (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Help:Contents says it is semi-protected, so you ought to be able to edit it. Wikipedia:Introduction 3 isn't protected at all. I see no one responded to your suggestion, so maybe one of Wikipedia:Village pump forums, like proposals?
Go ahead and put specific text on the page (or talk page if you really can't edit) and give me a nudge and I'll invoke WP:BOLD for it. —EncMstr 20:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: AIV Reads1

Vandalism occurred at: Naruto: Ultimate Ninja (series) (once), List of characters in Ed, Edd n Eddy (several nonsense edits), Dragon Ball AF (several nonsense edits), Son Goten (once). Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, the first one was almost self-revert: Reads1 added a lot to Ninja 2, then deleted the whole section. That's probably inexperience, not vandalism, especially since C.Fred immediately fixed it. In the second, the reverter calls it fancruft, which appears accurate. Reads1 was trying to improve the article, but not aware of "encyclopedia perspective". The same seems to be true of the others. I'll leave a note on his page. —EncMstr 20:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Did you look at the history page of Dragon Ball AF? Think that was where he placed most of his unconstructive edits. Perhaps the change he did to Son Goten may count as good faith instead. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Indeed I did. The change I wonder most about is Coolza/Coola. I know nothing of the topic and genre, but that seems pretty innocent. How does it strike you? —EncMstr 20:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, can't really say vandalism can I? Perhaps it was just a mistakened misspelling of Coola. In any event, I am watching the user. You? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, please keep an eye on him/her and give any assistance that seems reasonable. We were all beginners at some point. —EncMstr 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Johnson Creek questions

Hi EncMstr, I like your most recent photo addition to Johnson Creek (Willamette River), but I'd like to add a couple more specifics to the caption. Can you tell me where exactly this is on the stream? I'm guessing it's part of the project at the confluence of Johnson Creek and Kelley Creek, but I don't know for sure. Do you happen to know in what year the bioswale was completed? (I can probably find this at a City of Portland web site if I know which project the bioswale is part of.) Do you know if those red thingies that protect the new plants have a special name? Much obliged for your help. Finetooth (talk) 05:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The photo was taken here facing southwest—I put that in the image description, but it looks like commons doesn't have {{coord}}. I hadn't realized that there was a creek junction there, but as you can see, the topographic map says it is Kelley Creek. The photo was taken last weekend; It looked like the reclamation was either very recently finished, or will be soon: maybe some more finishing work, like posting signs, grass seed, etc. This PGE page indicates a Kelley Creek restoration project, but I don't see how to find more information there. This advertisement says they are called Seedling Protector Tubes. Seems there's room for imaginative enhancement, eh? —EncMstr 05:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch. This is helpful. Finetooth (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Great work on the sorting problem

I appreciate you jumping in and getting the problem fixed. Will make Opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2008 exceptionally more useful, particularly as November comes along. --Kallahan (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Manson

Thanks so much for giving us a long protection on the page. It's not a bad article, but it certainly is a target. Thanks again. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it received an incredible amount of vandalism right after protection expiration. It sure made my watchlist light up! —EncMstr 20:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Oswego Lake

I did make this edit, but I thought it was a typo error regarding the year of this picture instead of when the lakes were connected. If it is wrong, I apologize for that. Chris (talk) 23:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

blocking names with "hacker" in them

It's a bad idea to block names with "hacker" in them on sight. The word hacker has many connotations, with the one used in geek culture being a positive connotation, so describing oneself as a hacker is not necessarily a bad thing. Particularly in this case, I believe your block of User:Harduphacker before he even made any contributions was inappropriate -- you may have just blocked a good-faith user. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 23:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually I was responding to HardUp more than Hacker. Somehow the combination seemed more disruptive than the sum of the parts. Now that I consider your point, I'm down to 50% thinking the block is valid. —EncMstr 23:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, "hard up" is a perfectly tame phrase of English, meaning something like "unfortunate". I can see how if you're looking for disruptive names you might think that was one, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 09:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Elected Oregon

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks and entities. Thanks to those who helped out with improving Vera Katz and History of Oregon during the last Collaboration of the Week! As you may have noticed, we have changed the banners a bit, but not our dedication to everything Oregon! This week, in honor of the political process, we have: Current Oregon Senate members & Current Oregon House members. Hopefully by November we can have an article on every current member of the Oregon Legislature. So feel free to turn a red link blue or expand an existing article. Since it is an election year, there should be plenty of newspaper stories. Plus, the state archives has this site that allows you to go back and see when they started serving and district info, plus at a minimum show they were a state legislator from a WP:RS. And per WP:BIO, all state legislator's are notable so no need to worry about AFD. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Assessment and counts

Hey there, can you work your magic that updates Changes related to Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Admin sometime between now and Friday, April 11? (That's when we're presenting to the Oregon Encyclopedia folks.) I think that's the same thing that updates the assessment chart too, right? Also, keep your eye on WP:ORE/OE -- I swear I'll be updating it soon (have to in advance of the meeting!) Finally...come to WikiWednesday this week if you can! I know it's tough for you, but I keep hoping to meet more WP:ORE folks... -Pete (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

It takes about ten minutes to perform. The Big Question™ is: when would you prefer it to be done? Closer to April 11 to include more recent additions, or closer to now to have more time to do something with it? —EncMstr 20:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Answer the question Pete! I'm dying for an update! Katr67 (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Aieee! Sorry, actually I ran into EncMstr at WkWdns, and we figured out there that I don't really need this after all -- the existing ones allow me to say that we've more than doubled the number of articles we monitor in a year, and for the more detailed stuff I can just print off the first page of this. Though, what WOULD be nice is to have the first page or two of that run through the script that tells how many times they were viewed in February...and maybe a couple other months, too...is that pretty easy to do, Enc? And, do the other thing too! Katr's gettin antsy! Oh, and both of you go see if you can talk some sense into the Sho Dozono deletion debate. I don't know that it'll go through, but the arguments being put forth are about as off base as I've seen... -Pete (talk) 23:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I understood that to be the outcome, but I plan to overdeliver. I'll update the Admin article and counts in the next couple days, then produce a graph showing the article count progression. —EncMstr 00:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes -- I saw that chart, it's excellent! Thank you, that will be a big help.

I was also wondering -- might not have made this clear -- if you could run the script you wrote (below) on the articles in the first page of this list -- so we can see the hit counts on a larger selection of articles?

Thanks for making the chart, that'll be a big help. -Pete (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

#!/bin/bash
function wpor () {
       echo "|-"
       wget $1 -O - 2>/dev/null | \
       grep " has been viewed " | \
       sed 's#^.*wiki/[^"]*">#| [\[#; s#</a> has been viewed#]] ||#; s# times in.*$##; s#_# #g'
}
echo '{| class="wikitable sortable"'
wpor http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_36_%282004%29
...
wpor http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/Tom_Potter
echo "|}"

Okay, easy enough. Which month(s) should it be for. And how big do you think the first page is? —EncMstr 19:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess March is as good as any -- I can track down any weird spikes like D. B. Cooper individually where necessary. If you cut off the first page near the bottom -- using "high/start" and "mid/start" assessments as the cutoff -- that gives 407 articles. Seems like a good cutoff. (This approach will miss any high-importance articles at stub class, but I think that's OK.) -Pete (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
There ought to be a better place to put this. Perhaps a subpage of WP:ORE? It's here for the time being. Have your way with it!
article March 2008 hits importance rating
Oregon State Capitol 3245 Top FA
1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens 31768 Mid FA
1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack 6001 Mid FA
D. B. Cooper 175734 Mid FA
Elliott Smith 60311 Mid FA
Exploding whale 11017 Mid FA
New Carissa 2845 Mid FA
Frank Black 21281 Low FA
List of tallest buildings in Portland, Oregon 1745 Low FL
List of Oregon State University alumni 673 Low A
Charles L. McNary 862 Top GA
Columbia River 21826 Top GA
Crater Lake 19977 Top GA
Intel Corporation 11496 Top GA
Oregon Supreme Court 1328 Top GA
Rose Garden (arena) 5472 Top GA
Asa Lovejoy 585 High GA
Hillsboro, Oregon 5431 High GA
Joel Palmer 433 High GA
Katherine Ann Power 1696 High GA
Matthew Deady 316 High GA
1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot 808 Mid GA
Hanford Site 9237 Mid GA
Matt Groening 44244 Mid GA
Minoru Yasui 276 Mid GA
Oregon wine 1157 Mid GA
Provisional Government of Oregon 708 Mid GA
Provisional Legislature of Oregon 175 Mid GA
U.S. Route 199 442 Mid GA
William W. Chapman 340 Mid GA
Yasui v. United States 554 Mid GA
Hallie Ford Museum of Art 211 Low GA
Hillsboro Civic Center 288 Low GA
Portland Aerial Tram 2314 Low GA
Waller Hall 212 Low GA
Willamette University College of Law 655 Low GA
Alis volat propriis 2091 Top B
Cascade Range 22314 Top B
Chinook salmon 7813 Top B
Coast Douglas-fir 3326 Top B
Corylus avellana 1046 Top B
Ken Kesey 35601 Top B
Lewis and Clark Expedition 62445 Top B
Mount Hood 15637 Top B
Oregon 88683 Top B
Oregon Coast 4908 Top B
Oregon State University 9438 Top B
Portland Trail Blazers 18827 Top B
Portland, Oregon 100944 Top B
Salem, Oregon 12622 Top B
Steve Prefontaine 24216 Top B
University of Oregon 14994 Top B
Barlow Road 686 High B
Betty Roberts 184 High B
Bill Hayward 1651 High B
Bill Walton 20875 High B
Chief Joseph 10784 High B
Columbia River Basalt Group 1444 High B
Columbus Day Storm of 1962 480 High B
Crater Lake National Park 5168 High B
Dan Fouts 3549 High B
David P. Thompson 161 High B
Douglas Engelbart 10145 High B
Eastern Oregon 1652 High B
Eugene, Oregon 23157 High B
Ewing Young 408 High B
Hood to Coast 457 High B
John Kitzhaber 1146 High B
Linus Pauling 24511 High B
Manifest Destiny 86210 High B
Mark Hatfield 1961 High B
Medford, Oregon 7240 High B
Mount Mazama 4409 High B
Neil Goldschmidt 3124 High B
Northern Oregon Coast Range 417 High B
Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004) 717 High B
Oregon Coast Range 1207 High B
Oregon Route 99W 241 High B
Oregon Trail 36642 High B
Pacific Northwest 22795 High B
Portland State University 9292 High B
Rail transport in Oregon 222 High B
Sylvester Pennoyer 421 High B
The Register-Guard 1622 High B
Tonya Harding 58318 High B
USS Oregon (BB-3) 1302 High B
Willamette University 2999 High B
A. W. Norblad 162 Mid B
Albert Gallatin 3843 Mid B
Alonzo A. Skinner 116 Mid B
Autzen Stadium 2244 Mid B
Bear Camp Road 647 Mid B
Bridge of the Gods (geologic event) 1372 Mid B
Cascade Volcanoes 5947 Mid B
Celilo Falls 1420 Mid B
Central Oregon Coast Range 289 Mid B
Champoeg Meetings 329 Mid B
Chandler Egan 110 Mid B
Charles B. Bellinger 69 Mid B
Colonel Wright (sternwheeler) 82 Mid B
Confederated Tribes of Siletz 554 Mid B
David Leslie (Oregon politician) 193 Mid B
Elijah White 213 Mid B
Empire Builder 4120 Mid B
Eugene "Debbs" Potts 665 Mid B
Fern Hobbs 111 Mid B
Geology of the Pacific Northwest 1882 Mid B
George M. Brown 99 Mid B
Ginger Rogers 23517 Mid B
Gordon Smith 4075 Mid B
Gray sails the Columbia River 360 Mid B
Great Basin 13196 Mid B
Hallie Ford 183 Mid B
Henry Pittock 355 Mid B
Herbert Hoover 112884 Mid B
Hewlett-Packard 58366 Mid B
Hudson's Bay Company 17621 Mid B
Jack Patera 453 Mid B
James Alger Fee 192 Mid B
James T. Brand 130 Mid B
Joe Gordon 648 Mid B
Joe Hill 8716 Mid B
John C. Frémont 9018 Mid B
John Reed (journalist) 8448 Mid B
Joseph Gale 336 Mid B
Josiah Lamberson Parrish 77 Mid B
Lewis and Clark Centennial Exposition 519 Mid B
Magic Mile 433 Mid B
Marion Eugene Carl 441 Mid B
Mark Few 3508 Mid B
Mel Blanc 30023 Mid B
Meredith Brooks 7184 Mid B
Modoc War 2068 Mid B
Nancy Merki 186 Mid B
National Lampoon's Animal House 14674 Mid B
Nez Perce 8523 Mid B
Northern Pacific Railway 2407 Mid B
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel) 22920 Mid B
Oregon Coast National Wildlife Refuge Complex 230 Mid B
Oregon Supreme Court Building 160 Mid B
Oregon Treaty 5115 Mid B
Oregon boundary dispute 6817 Mid B
Osho 26932 Mid B
Paul Olum 195 Mid B
Perverted-Justice 3359 Mid B
Picea sitchensis 542 Mid B
Pierce v. Society of Sisters 2638 Mid B
Pioneer Courthouse Square 932 Mid B
Portland City Hall 2536 Mid B
Postal voting 1209 Mid B
Ranald MacDonald 1610 Mid B
Reed College 11877 Mid B
Reuben P. Boise 161 Mid B
Robert Gray (sea captain) 359 Mid B
Robert Newell (Oregon politician) 196 Mid B
Robert S. Bean 92 Mid B
Roddy Piper 38280 Mid B
Sacagawea 47196 Mid B
Summer Lake (Oregon) 392 Mid B
Term limits in Oregon 145 Mid B
Thom Hartmann 2143 Mid B
Thomas Hart Benton (senator) 2996 Mid B
Thomas Leigh Gatch 169 Mid B
Thomas Milton Gatch 195 Mid B
Thomas R. Cornelius 109 Mid B
Thuja plicata 8486 Mid B
United States Exploring Expedition 950 Mid B
Vicki Walker 176 Mid B
William Irving (steamship captain) 108 Mid B
William S. Ladd 278 Mid B
Albert E. Wilson 70 Low B
Anthony Wynn 202 Low B
Antique Powerland 287 Low B
Ava Helen Pauling 489 Low B
Bearberry 3912 Low B
Burt Rutan 8764 Low B
Cave Junction, Oregon 739 Low B
Charles Crookham 78 Low B
Chuck Palahniuk 51402 Low B
Colegio Cesar Chavez 671 Low B
Coos Bay, Oregon 3050 Low B
Craig Hollywood 297 Low B
Crooked River (Oregon) 245 Low B
Darlene Hooley 886 Low B
David Ray Griffin 5484 Low B
David Thompson (explorer) 3790 Low B
Edward Canby 1026 Low B
Edwin Markham 1361 Low B
George K. Gay 146 Low B
Hanukkah Eve Wind Storm of 2006 688 Low B
Hare Field 216 Low B
History of Oregon wine production 240 Low B
Jack Tafari 382 Low B
Jackson Bottom Wetlands Preserve 211 Low B
James Kim 4651 Low B
January 2008 Western North American super storm 702 Low B
Jennifer Murphy 1000 Low B
Jerry Ross (painter) 285 Low B
Joey Harrington 7786 Low B
John Bonser (steamship captain) 106 Low B
John Irving (steamship captain) 123 Low B
Johnson Creek (Willamette River) 1990 Low B
Kat Bjelland 3767 Low B
Katharine Jefferts Schori 3151 Low B
Kathleen Hanna 13358 Low B
Ken Keyes, Jr. 700 Low B
Ken Simonton 246 Low B
Lansing Stout 146 Low B
Lee Morse 189 Low B
Linus Torvalds 33996 Low B
List of Oregon State University faculty and staff 290 Low B
Living Enrichment Center 967 Low B
Lot Whitcomb (sidewheeler) 177 Low B
Lurline (sternwheeler 1878) 84 Low B
Mary Ramsey Wood 342 Low B
Meesia triquetra 141 Low B
Mike Hawash 373 Low B
Mount Hood climbing accidents 1292 Low B
Multnomah (sternwheeler) 137 Low B
Multnomah County Library 387 Low B
My Own Private Idaho 15432 Low B
Myles Brand 1318 Low B
Nathaniel Ford 124 Low B
Nevada-California-Oregon Railway 176 Low B
O. H. Hinsdale Wave Research Laboratory 178 Low B
Oliver O. Howard 3066 Low B
Oregon's statewide elections, 2006 200 Low B
Pacific Northwest Wrestling 1541 Low B
Paul Allen 48195 Low B
Peggy Fowler 174 Low B
Peter Hardeman Burnett 558 Low B
Portland Streetcar 1518 Low B
Randy Couture 55557 Low B
Rogue Ales 1571 Low B
Ron Wyden 3371 Low B
Rose Garden arena bankruptcy 175 Low B
Rose Quarter 380 Low B
Roxanne Ellis 941 Low B
Samuel S. ("Sam") Johnson 78 Low B
Santiam State Forest 932 Low B
Shipwrecks of the inland Columbia River 350 Low B
Southern Pacific 4449 1775 Low B
Spokane, Portland and Seattle 700 435 Low B
Star of Oregon (event) 161 Low B
Star of Oregon (ship) 89 Low B
Steamboats of Yaquina Bay and Yaquina River 176 Low B
Steven McGeady 530 Low B
Summer Lake, Oregon 185 Low B
Sun Pass State Forest 1036 Low B
The Decemberists 21712 Low B
The Hillsboro Argus 242 Low B
The Reserve Vineyards & Golf Club 120 Low B
The W's 1257 Low B
USS Astoria (CA-34) 1671 Low B
USS PC-815 729 Low B
Virgil Earp 9302 Low B
Vladimir Nabokov 42224 Low B
Weinhard Brewery Complex 324 Low B
William Levada 701 Low B
William Luther Pierce 6997 Low B
William Strong (Oregon judge) 73 Low B
American Beaver 5659 Top Start
Barbara Roberts 868 Top Start
Cascadia subduction zone 3751 Top Start
Columbia River Gorge 4221 Top Start
Fusitriton oregonensis 155 Top Start
George Henry Williams 363 Top Start
Government of Oregon 652 Top Start
Governor of Oregon 1528 Top Start
History of Oregon 1613 Top Start
Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast 1788 Top Start
Interstate 5 in Oregon 570 Top Start
John McLoughlin 2287 Top Start
Joseph Lane 726 Top Start
Miss Oregon 882 Top Start
Nike, Inc. 126524 Top Start
Oregon Constitution 711 Top Start
Oregon Constitutional Convention 191 Top Start
Oregon Department of Transportation 613 Top Start
Oregon Ducks 6389 Top Start
Oregon Ducks football 2398 Top Start
Oregon Legislative Assembly 1067 Top Start
Oregon State Beavers 2959 Top Start
Oregon State Beavers football 1221 Top Start
Oregon, My Oregon 510 Top Start
Oregon-grape 3759 Top Start
Sunstone 4201 Top Start
The Oregonian 3497 Top Start
Thunderegg 2330 Top Start
Western Meadowlark 3373 Top Start
William Paine Lord 149 Top Start
1977 NBA Finals 1094 High Start
Ad Rutschman 155 High Start
Alberto Salazar 1886 High Start
Alfred Carlton Gilbert 470 High Start
Beaverton, Oregon 5521 High Start
Bend, Oregon 9657 High Start
Benjamin F. Harding 125 High Start
Chinookan 2253 High Start
Civil War (college football game) 1091 High Start
Clackamas County, Oregon 2097 High Start
Clyde Drexler 14793 High Start
Columbia Rediviva 829 High Start
Columbia Sportswear 3570 High Start
Conde McCullough 335 High Start
Corvallis, Oregon 6405 High Start
Don Kirsch 127 High Start
Don Schollander 931 High Start
Donation Land Claim Act 648 High Start
Douglas McKay 349 High Start
Earl Snell 212 High Start
Eugene Airport 1092 High Start
Everclear (band) 32549 High Start
Fort Clatsop 1721 High Start
Fort Vancouver 1962 High Start
Fort Vancouver National Historic Site 759 High Start
George Earle Chamberlain 208 High Start
George W. McBride 143 High Start
Gresham, Oregon 2309 High Start
Gus Van Sant 30338 High Start
Haystack Rock 1662 High Start
Hayward Field 965 High Start
Hells Canyon 2435 High Start
Interstate 84 (west) 2201 High Start
Interstate Bridge 914 High Start
Jack Cody 120 High Start
James K. Kelly 148 High Start
Jason Lee (missionary) 700 High Start
John B. Waldo 229 High Start
John Beckett (football) 190 High Start
John H. Mitchell 209 High Start
John Whiteaker 189 High Start
Johnny Kitzmiller 140 High Start
KATU 2316 High Start
KGW 1865 High Start
KOIN 1777 High Start
KPTV 1753 High Start
La Fayette Grover 233 High Start
Lane County, Oregon 1448 High Start
Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center 481 High Start
Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail 942 High Start
Lithia Motors 333 High Start
MAX Light Rail 3291 High Start
Marion County, Oregon 978 High Start
Mount Jefferson (Oregon) 1841 High Start
Multnomah County, Oregon 3209 High Start
Multnomah Falls 3366 High Start
Nan Wood Honeyman 276 High Start
Nez Perce War 1383 High Start
Oregon Ballot Measure 11 (1994) 943 High Start
Oregon Ballot Measure 5 (1990) 332 High Start
Oregon Ballot Measure 60 (1998) 253 High Start
Oregon Bottle Bill 583 High Start
Oregon Country 8818 High Start
Oregon Death with Dignity Act 1070 High Start
Oregon Health & Science University 1306 High Start
Oregon House of Representatives 1027 High Start
Oregon Judicial Department 144 High Start
Oregon Museum of Science and Industry 729 High Start
Oregon National Guard 562 High Start
Oregon Public Broadcasting 900 High Start
Oregon Route 99 218 High Start
Oregon Route 99E 192 High Start
Oregon Shakespeare Festival 1626 High Start
Oregon Spectator 178 High Start
Oregon State Senate 897 High Start
Oregon Swallowtail 380 High Start
Oregon Symphony 402 High Start
Oregon Zoo 2051 High Start
Oregon and California Railroad 260 High Start
PGE Park 2582 High Start
Pacific Crest Trail 6363 High Start
Phil Knight 8263 High Start
Pietro Belluschi 1043 High Start
Port of Portland (Oregon) 185 High Start
Portland Art Museum 1092 High Start
Portland International Airport 6866 High Start
Precision Castparts Corp. 768 High Start
Reser Stadium 1007 High Start
Robert B. Duncan 202 High Start
Rogue River (Oregon) 1945 High Start
Rogue Valley International-Medford Airport 598 High Start
Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland 366 High Start
Schnitzer Steel Industries, Inc. 319 High Start
Seal of Oregon 772 High Start
Springfield, Oregon 2438 High Start
StanCorp Financial Group, Inc. 321 High Start
State highways in Oregon 384 High Start
Stephen F. Chadwick 187 High Start
Tabitha Brown 399 High Start
Ted Kulongoski 2566 High Start
Theodore Thurston Geer 82 High Start
Three Sisters (Oregon) 2369 High Start
Tiffeny Milbrett 851 High Start
Timberline Lodge 9073 High Start
Tom McCall 1241 High Start
U.S. Route 101 in Oregon 753 High Start
U.S. Route 26 807 High Start
W. W. Thayer 141 High Start
Wallace P. Carson, Jr. 147 High Start
Walter M. Pierce 184 High Start
Washington County, Oregon 2276 High Start
Wells Fargo Center (Portland, Oregon) 1728 High Start
Willamette River 3963 High Start
Willamette Valley 4590 High Start
William M. McAllister 88 High Start
Zenas Ferry Moody 111 High Start
1700 Cascadia earthquake 1392 Mid Start
1939 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament 5962 Mid Start
1942 Rose Bowl 346 Mid Start
1958 Rose Bowl 887 Mid Start
1972 Portland-Vancouver Tornado 666 Mid Start
2005 United States Figure Skating Championships 202 Mid Start
2006 College World Series 571 Mid Start
41st Infantry Brigade Combat Team (United States) 278 Mid Start
A. C. Gibbs 136 Mid Start
A.C. Green 5749 Mid Start
Aaron E. Waite 54 Mid Start
Abies grandis 305 Mid Start
Abigail Scott Duniway 516 Mid Start
Adams-Onís Treaty 10758 Mid Start
Ade Schwammel 143 Mid Start
Ahmad Rashād 4661 Mid Start
Al Ullman 164 Mid Start
Albany, Oregon 1781 Mid Start
Alfred Goodwin 77 Mid Start
Alnus rubra 437 Mid Start
Amory Holbrook 60 Mid Start
Amtrak Cascades 6969 Mid Start
Andrew J. Thayer 89 Mid Start
Ann Curry 26135 Mid Start
Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall 1029 Mid Start
Arno H. Denecke 133 Mid Start
Art Alexakis 7746 Mid Start
Artie Wilson 2481 Mid Start
Arvydas Sabonis 6431 Mid Start
Astor Expedition 429 Mid Start
Astoria, Oregon 9962 Mid Start
Baker City, Oregon 1088 Mid Start
Barrett Tillman 327 Mid Start
Bartolomé Ferrelo 401 Mid Start
Basic Rights Oregon 144 Mid Start
Beaver Coins 174 Mid Start
Beaverton School District 779 Mid Start
Ben Holladay 275 Mid Start
Ben Hur Lampman 243 Mid Start
Ben W. Olcott 194 Mid Start
Benjamin F. Bonham 142 Mid Start
Benton County, Oregon 825 Mid Start
Berkeley Lent 93 Mid Start

—EncMstr 05:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!! Yes, a sub-page of some sort is probably best. It's related to /Assessment and /Admin, but kind of its own thing. Your guess is as good as mine -- one of us should do something! Right now though, I'm scrambling on the printed version... Thanks again, this is great! -Pete (talk) 07:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I created a sub-page after all, I put it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Readership. Feel free to move it, expand the description, etc. -Pete (talk) 18:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible edit war

Hi, I'm not quite sure exactly what is going on but there may be a case of linkspamming and edit warring between Marcus22 and 86.202.37.235. Marcus 22 keeps adding this link to various Brittany related articles and the IP user keeps removing it. Maybe you could take a look and see if any action is required on this? Mjroots (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Got msg. check out reply on my talk page. Get back to me as soon as you can. Marcus22 (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied again on talk page. regards Marcus22 (talk) 18:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Y2K cost.

Do you honestly think that $300 BILLION U.S.D. dollars were spent worldwide on Y2K? At that cost you could have funded the National Security Agency to buy all new supercomputers 600 - 1,000 times over! (Ok I realize the foolishness of this statement but it's true.) Indeed most of my family use Billion as a slang term for million, as do some British newspapers.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.1.215 (talk) 06:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It does seem high. The alternative is that those are British Billions, which would make it 300 Trillion USD. That's obviously ludicrous. On the other hand, I know I did a few years work for many clients preparing their software for Y2000, at a cost of hundreds of thousands. Ross Perot's company did hundreds of millions for it too, I think. $3,000,000,000 I can barely bring myself to believe. The reference is clear, though it would be great to find other sources and contrast them in that paragraph. —EncMstr 07:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Synarchism

Thanks for your note. My main concern was User:Loremaster, who appears to be promoting some sort of esoteric or occult agenda, which I suppose is really neither here nor there. The problem as far as I am concerned is that he was repeatedly asked at Talk:Synarchism#Recent edit warring not to violate WP:BLP and WP:NOR, and he appears defiant. --Marvin Diode (talk) 13:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

This McCarthy-like accusation is absolutely absurd! My history shows that I have spent the last few weeks contributing to the improvement of the Priory of Sion article and related topics from a rationalist and critical perspective. I don't like making accusations but it seems to me that User:Marvin Diode and User:Terrawatt (whose blocking was completely justified) may sympathize or even belong to the LaRouche Movement and therefore will resort to wikilawyering to defend it. Regardless of whether or not this is the case, both of them seem intent in engaging in an edit war violating the three-revert rule despite the fact that I have explained my edits on the Talk:Synarchism page. --Loremaster (talk) 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Loremaster seems to be neither familiar with Wikipedia policies, nor interested in making their acquaintance. Perhaps you could have a word with him. --Marvin Diode (talk) 04:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Although I don't claim to be an expert on Wikipedia policies and I freely admit that I sometimes make mistakes which may have unknowingly violated some of them, I have been responsible for a number of articles getting Featured Article status so I think I am familiar enough. --Loremaster (talk) 04:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The article is protected against edits until consensus is reached. Please address my questions on the article's talk page. —EncMstr 04:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for taking the time to play the role of mediator at the talk page. It doesn't look to me like this is going to be resolved any time soon, and in the meantime, I am troubled by this edit, because I think it may violate BLP -- both because I don't think the sources support the claim, and also because I think the sources are of insufficient quality for claims against living persons. At WP:BLP, the policy page begins with Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space. So, I would like to propose that you revert that edit until consensus is achieved on the talk page. The matter of whether the material is off-topic needs to be resolved as well, but that is less urgent. --Marvin Diode (talk) 21:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your attention to detail and vigilance. However, the edit seems valid: It says "several critics accuse ..." which seems perfectly correct. The online cite covers all the claims of the addition, even if the two books are bogus. If it said "LL espouses conspiracy theories, etc. ...", that would require a more reliable source. Comments? —EncMstr 21:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I went carefully over the online source (Chip Berlet) and found no reference to "historical revisionism." I have asked Loremaster, on the article talk page, to provide a quote that justifies that claim. Since you have evidently also read the Chip Berlet site page, does it impress you as the sort of source that we ought to be using for sensitive BLP edits? It reminds me of the National Enquirer. What is at issue, under BLP, is not whether the critics made such claims, but whether the critics themselves are reputable sources. --Marvin Diode (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The fifth blurb, Lyndon LaRouche: Fascism Wrapped in an American Flag says ...the LaRouche phenomenon is a dangerously naive rejection of the lessons of history. That closely resembles revisionism, doesn't it? I glanced at part one of the article, and it follows that line of thought. It doesn't use the word revisionism, but it's at least a reinterpretation of history. Doesn't that seem close enough? —EncMstr 07:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Not in my view. Bear in mind that part of Loremaster's gambit here is to link the Wikipedia article on Historical revisionism (negationism), which link is hidden with a more generic description. So Loremaster is making an extremely specific claim here, which demands an equally specific source, not just one that "closely resembles" it. --Marvin Diode (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It appears now that Loremaster has conceded that he doesn't have sources to back up his claims in this edit, so I'd like to renew my request that it be reverted until consensus is reached, which may take a long time -- Loremaster is now saying that he will no longer negotiate. --Marvin Diode (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the trouble to moderate what was admittedly a somewhat convoluted dispute. --Marvin Diode (talk) 20:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I had no idea a discussion had continued here. I find it troubling how pro-LaRouche editors can engage in wikilawyering and manipulation to get their way on Wikipedia... :/ --Loremaster (talk) 02:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You made an edit early in this conversation; normal procedure is to watchlist such articles. I would have preferred the discussion remain entirely on the article's talk page, but since everyone involved seemed to be here too, I didn't think much of altering it. —EncMstr 03:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Can you unlock the Synarchism article now? I won't restore the sentence in dispute but I need to make some minor corrections to Joint rule and Rule by esoteric societies sections. --Loremaster (talk) 21:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, but if you have the slightest doubt if it will be controversial, please discuss proposed changes on the talk page first. —EncMstr (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Sigh. Loremaster then made 21 edits with no discussion, including some highly controversial ones. I reverted them back to the point just before where he veered once more into OR, and placed the "controversial topic" template on the talk page. --Marvin Diode (talk) 00:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I stand by all my edits. The only thing controversial might be describing Lyndon LaRouche as a political cult leader but if one actually reads the Wikipedia definition of a political cult, one realizes that this is exactly what he is. So I've undone the pro-LaRouche editor's revert. --Loremaster (talk) 03:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Loremaster, a controversial edit is one which people object to. (From Merriam-Webster: marked especially by the expression of opposing views : dispute) Whether you stand by it or not is not the issue. Yes, it can be hard to know if something is objectionable in advance, but you now have plenty of feedback—and presumably insight. You've been adequately and thoroughly warned now. You can minimize your chances of being blocked by using the talk page to persuade and/or gain consensus. (cc:user talk:Loremaster) —EncMstr (talk) 04:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Although I should be outraged by this dispute and its handling, I've now used the Synarchism talk page to make my case for consensus knowing full well that I am dealing with people who reject any reasonable compromise. --Loremaster (talk) 05:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
So what now? --Loremaster (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
It looks like the discussion is proceeding nicely. It might take a day or two for people to contemplate what's transpired and follow up. Or maybe nothing more will come of it naturally; if that's the case, perhaps late Sunday or Monday you could float a specific proposal which asks for Support or Disagree opinions. —EncMstr (talk) 01:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:ORE welcome message

I like your welcome message--that's something we should have been doing a long time ago. Do you think we could make it a template and add it to our handy list of templates? Katr67 (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent idea! Especially since I was kinda thinking that as I copied and pasted it around. —EncMstr (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hogenakkal Falls

Please place tag stating that current freeze on editing is not an endorsement by Wikipedia on disputed contents of the article. As per many editors the current text of the article has many errors. Thanks.Naadapriya (talk) 07:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

How's that? —EncMstr (talk) 08:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, can you explain your following statement please:
Since no obvious vandalism nor defamation is present, it's simply The Wrong Version
I really dont get how you came to a conclusion that its a wrong version. If you want further details on what is going on there I can help you with the details. If you are under any doubt that I'm just another adament editor who is pushes his POV and pretends to be pure as ever, then let me tell you that I did contact an admin to examine my conscience and if am just being a stuborn kid. Well, I will explain whats going on here. As you can see, this entry is about a waterfalls.
This falls is the site of a proposed drinking water project, which as per reliable sources agreed by the parties involved in 1998, but was delayed because lack of funds and ::now that a Japanese bank is ready to fund the foundation stone was placed.
I am leaving you some links here to let you know that am not lying[1] [2] [3] [4] and feel free to ask for more and check for yourself too.
Now that it has been 10 years as usual some political parties have started causing havoc and the project has been put to hold (but not shelved). [5] [6]
As you can guess the project and the issue by itself had been made into two separate articles, namely:
Now if you see what is going on there, some people are removing content and adding their POV although the citations claim to the opposite [7] [8]
Then there is the issue about to mention about the proposed project or not. You can notice in the talk page that user:Naadapriya argues that the project is not aproved. When we showed Newslinks from National Media now that person goes to say that Press do not decide Govt projects. You may be anoyed to see such a huge message left by me on your talk page, but it is because am not very happy to see your comment suggesting that the current version may be wrong without seeing what is going on. Hope you see the point now. Thanks Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 16:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The Wrong Version, since you didn't seem to read it, is a satirical essay about why articles are always frozen on a useless, unwanted version. The only reason for an administrator to choose a version other than the latest is the presence of vandalism, defamation, libel, etc. Does that answer your question? —EncMstr (talk) 21:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually it doesn't. Nevertheless, I don't want to troll on your page. All I wanted to tell you is that your statement that ..no obvious vandalism nor defamation is present.. is actually not much true. But what is the point on blaming you for it? The article is frozen in a not so bad version. The problem with the current protection is, it spanned too little time so that there is no enough time to settle the disputes (given that the other user posts reply hardly once in every 24 hours). It is a pity that once the protection is off there will be spamers removing cited cotent and vandalising it. I guess that is where the reliability of Wikipedia ends. Thanks anyways. Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 14:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Juxtaposition COTW

Howdy Ho WikiProject Oregon! Time for another installment of Collaboration of the Week. The last few weeks we’ve knocked out quite a few articles of our current state legislators, and even a few former ones too. Great job to all those who helped make it happen. On a related note, we have had several DYKs from this and now have 53 DYKs so far this year (not counting multiples), less than four full months into the year. Last year we had a total of 83 DYKs for the entire year, and 7 combined for 2006 & 2005. So we are well on our way to another record year. Each time an article makes it to the main page as a DYK it will typically get an extra 1000 hits, which is usually far more than the typical 100 hits per month most minor articles receive. With that said, this week we have two requests, Portland Lumberjax and Silicon Forest. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome :-)

Hi. Thanks for the welcome. This is a very nice welcome intro and I appreciate it very much. Looking forward to editing. Thanks again. CanuckAnthropologist (talk) 19:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

"Overcleanup"

Hi EncMstr, I see you did a complete revert of the disambig of WTF I just did. Can I ask what specifically you had a problem with? I don't think we should be mentioning items that don't have an article - the aim of a disambig is not to be an exhaustive list of all definitions, merely a navigation aid to guide readers to the right article. It also seems somewhat counter-productive to revert back to what was a pretty messed up version instead of incorporating my useful changes, or are you saying my edit was without any merit at all? Thanks. Rovaniemi-5 (talk) 19:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed "what the fuck" because however commonly used, there is no specific article on that. Likewise for "weight tranfer front" and the command line thing. Wikipedia:Disambiguation seems quite clear about not including dictionary definitions and partial article titles, and I would have thought that the link to Wiktionary offers readers a chance to look up dicdefs if that's what they're after. Finally, I did not remove "Werewolf: The Forsaken". Rovaniemi-5 (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
What the fuck, last time I checked, redirected to List_of_Internet_slang_phrases#W. I see that there is now a less useful redirect, so you are probably right. The purpose of a disambiguation page is to help the user quickly find the article they're looking for. A more subtle, but equally important use is to help the user decode what some acronym or term might mean. Unfortunately that bleeds into dictionary definitions. (WP:MOSDAB ought to be fixed to reflect that.) Perhaps What the fuck should redirect to wiktionary instead. Sorry if I confused which items were deleted: the diff was rather complicated. —EncMstr (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

One more go, at Help talk:Sorting?

I responded at Help talk:Sorting: could you take a peek? Thanks! Whistling42 (talk) 03:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I credited you on the Talk page. Whistling42 (talk) 11:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Tillamook Air Museum

Hiya. You once fixed up the format of this, do you think you could take another look? See the talk page for the issues I'm having. Let me know if you need a screenshot. Katr67 (talk) 22:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Does that look better? —EncMstr (talk) 22:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes and no. With iE and a PC, the infobox still overlaps the next section heading, and with FF and a PC, the 2nd column also overlaps the infobox... Katr67 (talk) 04:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

French Laundry

1. An AFD for this literally made my jaw drop. The ignorance astounds. 2. you actually ate a meal at the place? You lucky bastard. VanTucky 05:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

So how are the salmon coronets? Katr67 (talk) 05:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I did eat there. That's my menu displayed in the article. The pot pie was the only thing resembling disappointment; everything else was better than expected. There had to have been five or six waiters and waitresses dedicated to our table (two of us). Outstanding service, and never in the way. In fact they seemed to disappear when not needed, but there just as you realize you wanted them for something. I don't know about salmon coronets. I'm vegetarian. Somewhere, I have the menu my omnivorous date chose.
At first I thought the AFD was a joke. I'm still suspicious about a "newbie" editor's second edit being an AFD proposal—whoa, less than twenty seconds after creating the account! Ah, I see someone else noticed that too (in the AFD discussion). —EncMstr (talk) 06:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
It honestly doesn't bother me about the editor being new. I've seen IPs try and nominate articles for deletion before. The steps are among the more explicit and easy to execute of all bureaucratic processes on the project. VanTucky 19:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Vyaghradhataki

I request you to extend the block on this particular user who has been indulging in persistent vandalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iyer&action=history -RavichandarMy coffee shop 01:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Educational Accountability and Standards System

Very interesting. Is this salvageable? Right now it appears that a great deal of the text is from the report to the DOE that I linked. I didn't have the patience to read through the entire text but is any of this in any way encyclopedic if we can get the author to provide sources? There must be a home for this info somewhere. I feel silly templating him. Katr67 (talk) 01:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

OK. If I came across as too bitey, feel free to chime in. Katr67 (talk) 01:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC) and P.S. thanks for finding the section headers, dense blocks of text are so not my thing! Katr67 (talk) 01:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you did the normal notification. I didn't know about the experts group; I would think that would be very helpful. —EncMstr (talk) 01:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

ahh, miles, feet...

What's the diff? Thanks for catching that. --Esprqii (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I, too, missed it several times while editing. During a preview I got to wondering why the ratio of ft to m the conversion template displayed was nowhere near 3:1. That forced me to really look at what it was saying. Imagine all the trouble non-geosynchronous orbiting satellites would have with a 5000 mi mountain! —EncMstr (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I suppose the skiing might be a bit difficult in zero-G as well. --Esprqii (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Admin

Would having Template:WikiProject Oregon category and Template:WikiProject Oregon template add the articles to Category:WikiProject Oregon instead of (or in addition to) Category:WikiProject Oregon categories and Category:WikiProject Oregon templates make it harder for the admin list to do its thing? I've got almost all of the cats and templates individually watchlisted, and I've decided that's silly. I can run AWB to make the changes. This sort of got discussed on the project talk page a long time ago, but apparently I wasn't making any sense! Or nobody cared one way or the other. What do you think? Katr67 (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

As you probably know, the admin extraction only looks at Category:WikiProject Oregon articles. That category might be an outgrowth of a plan I abandoned quite a while back (which would have a dozen or so type categories) in favor of the article evaluation categorization we now have (category:Oregon articles by quality and category:Oregon articles by importance). It would be just fine to put everything in Category:WikiProject Oregon as far as I'm concerned. The editor script already handles most cases of entry types; only a few more need to be added. Just tell me where they end up this time! —EncMstr (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Cool, I'll try it and we can see what happens on the next update. BTW, did Pete mention a bike ride on Wednesday? Katr67 (talk) 19:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Isn't every day a bike ride? I live about 3 miles from the AboutUs offices, almost directly upriver, so it's way more convenient to bike than drive. They're pretty cool with bicycles parking inside the office. —EncMstr (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Indeed it is. We were talking about hitting Springwater before the meetup and possibly catching up with you on the way over. Katr67 (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, WW is almost upon us again! Glad you guys connected on this, sorry I let it slide. My cell number's easy to find on my web site, but I'm sure we'll have a chance to make plans before then...looking forward to a good ride! -Pete (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
FYI, I sort of have a "thing" about phones, and I don't own a cell, but I'll make sure y'all know what my plans are before then. Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
So your "thing" wouldn't be phonaphilia, would it?  :-)? —EncMstr (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

More like phonaphobia! Katr67 (talk) 23:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

5/5 DYK

Updated DYK query On 5 May 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Warrior Rock Light, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Bedford 03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Cinco de COTW

Greetings once again from the Collaboration of the Week at WikiProject Oregon. Thank you to those who helped out with the last set of articles. This week we have the lone Stub class article left in the Top importance classification, Flag of Oregon, and by request, Detroit Lake. Help where you can, if you can. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
With gratitude for your editorial advice about Johnson Creek (Willamette River) and for your photographs of the bioswale, the weir, and Tideman Johnson Park, I award you this barnstar. Finetooth (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

user: McTools (vandal on Silvia Lancome article)

Just to let you know he has been tagged and banned as a sockpuppet of user: NisarKand by the checkuser admins.

User talk:58.161.0.188

You have inserted the wrong template (indef vs 1yr) in User talk:58.161.0.188. Just a heads up. -- Alexf42 11:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I told twinkle it was 1 year. Perhaps it ignores the length parameter for the vandalism-only template. I "fixed" the user's talk page. Thanks. —EncMstr (talk) 17:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Zzzz Oregon COTW

Howdy ya’ll, time for another Collaboration of the Week from WikiProject Oregon. Last week we improved Flag of Oregon & Detroit Lake, enough I think to move them to Start class, so great job everyone! This week, we have another request in Oregon Ballot Measure 47 and a randomly selected two sentence stub that should be easy to expand enough for a DYK in Wallowa-Whitman National Forest. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Reflist

The problem with reflist is that the text is small, making it hard to read - maybe not for you youngsters (?) but for those of us in our forties or with certain visual impairments. SB has done this before and was adding reflist/references as the debate swung back and forth, but the deciding factor in the present case is that the tag is recommended for short lists.

Incidentally there is no very valid reason for using small text for references, providing the references/footnotes section goes right at the end of the visible page.

Thank you for your kind words.

Rich Farmbrough, 22:00 3 April 2008 (GMT).

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.

Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.

Thank you again, VanTucky

Re:Cape Disappointment Light

It has been too long for me to remember where I got that from. I made started that article when I first started wikipedia so I didn't know to put references. Sorry. --Digon3 talk 17:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oregon

Looks like our dynamic friend was forced to log in. I can't think of anyone else I've pissed off lately. Katr67 (talk) 01:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I've dealt with him. His actions made it very easy to decide on an appropriate course of action.  :-) —EncMstr (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have quite a following today... Katr67 (talk) 01:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Budapest

That went quick. Thanks. Squash Racket (talk) 03:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Luck of the draw. You're welcome. —EncMstr (talk) 03:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Centering timelines

I noticed your work and wondered if you could help me with centering a timeline. User:Dhatfield/Sandbox Dhatfield (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sam Adams

I note that Sam Adams redirects to Samuel Adams, the revolutionary guy. But he went by Samuel, whereas the mayor-elect (and the beer, for that matter) are really known as Sam. I had a hard time seeing the mayor in the list of Samuels. Any suggestions there, oh admin guy? Maybe a separate Sam Adams dab page? I was wary of stepping on toes there. --Esprqii (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a tricky one. Every Sam I know is a nickname for Samuel, so a redirect is appropriate for navigating to the right one. Making Sam Adams into a dab of people known as Sam interlinked with the Samuels is likely just as, if not more, confusing as a single list of Samuels. I kinda think Sam Adams should redirect to Samuel Adams (disambiguation) for the reason you give. The dab list isn't that long, but it could be structured better—maybe like John Adams (disambiguation) is broken down. —EncMstr (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I think your solution of having Sam Adams go to a better organized Samuel Adams dab page is the right idea. I think someone searching for "Sam Adams" is more likely than not searching for someone other than the rev war guy. Maybe I'll be bold on that later, unless you have the itch now... --Esprqii (talk) 20:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Gustafson Logging

From: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)

"An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources."

The company has been the subject of coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.

"All content must be verifiable."

All content is verifiable.

Y Done

~ WikiDon (talk) 22:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

That is an understandable interpretation, however I'm not sure that the article fulfills the obligations of notability:
  • There is only one source. The standard is reliable, independent sources: That is, two or more.
  • I haven't seen Ax-men, but was the episode about lumberjacks, and not about Gustafson Logging itself?
—EncMstr (talk) 22:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Whew!

Well, you're right -- I am knocking myself out because this is much more involved than I'd thought. That odd Antique Power Museum has its own article, so the intricacies of it can be explained there, but my hope was that the list could at least name everything that calls itself a museum in Oregon. As I look at it now, it seems to me that the Summary section for that item is really difficult to read. I do think all those names should be on the page. Perhaps in a list of 14 items below the sortable table (I'd take various items out of "Alternate names" because those items really don't fit there). I still want to work on this through the end of the week, but I think I'm going to be leaving most of the "summary" entries blank, except for website links. That's the way another editor does it, and now I see why. In any event, I'm going to work on it a bit more and then hand it all over to you guys to delete or rewrite or rearrange how you like. I will stop knocking myself out, though. Thanks for the note. Noroton (talk) 01:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, to answer your question, my completely uneducated guess is that there are potentially 50-60 more items. I think I found about eight previously unlisted items in the Coast sections of the museum association and state tourist authority websites. Multiply that by seven regions in total and it's in the range of 50 to 60. Just a guess. Noroton (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I meant deleting various things in it or doing things in a different way. Even having something there that is deleted at least gets someone thinking about the list, which may help to maintain it in the long run. My own interest is in having state lists so full that I can later mine them for, say, a "List of timber industry museums in the United States", or "List of clock and watch museums in the United States". Those, in turn, would be useful links to someone reading articles on those subjects. I'm also hoping that the red links on the lists will tempt editors into creating articles. Noroton (talk) 02:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

RTOS list

Thanks for your work on List of Real-time operating systems. Ghettoblaster (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that should address everyone's interests: keep the main article clutter free, provide a place for an exhaustive list which every RTOS developer wants, provide a check list for potential customers, and avoid WP:NOT a link farm, since it provides useful details.
It ought to be expanded slightly with columns for royalties and fees, source open or closed, approximate deployment numbers, and initial date of development. Feel free to expand it. —EncMstr (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Good work on the list, thank you N'SallaNuto (talk) 06:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi EncMstr. I just want to let you know that the article that corresponds to the Fusion RTOS redlink has been deleted (see: [9]). I don't think that this was the right decision. It would have been better to give people a chance fix some of its content. Your opinion? Ghettoblaster (talk) 09:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

QWERTY: Oregon COTW

Hello WikiProject Oregon participants, time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week we made some great improvements to Wallowa-Whitman National Forest and Oregon Ballot Measure 47 (1996), with a DYK for the forest. Great job everyone! This week we have another stub, George Lemuel Woods, one of only two governor stubs left, and should be an easy job getting it to Start class. Then, in honor of the long weekend, we have our second State Park Article Creation Drive. Lots of red links to turn blue, lots of opportunities for DYKs. Help if you can, even if it is only adding pictures of state parks. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. May the The Schwartz be with you. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

RE:RedLinks

Thanks for the tip Sorry still trying to figure it all out. :) (~JDM~) (talk) 03:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I was just wondering, being a fairly new user, how to revert more than one edit. A vandal, User:66.188.195.181, had vandalized To Kill a Mockingbird (film), twice. I reverted both seperately, not knowing what to do. Then I noticed you had reverted four edits on Marcus Whitman all at once. Is this a admin thing, or how do you do it? Just wondering, LittleMountain5 02:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks LittleMountain5 14:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sid Haig Page

Thank you for fixing the layout around that image. I didn't know how to do that without multiple breaks. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.199.200 (talk) 04:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. In the future, write in the edit summary your intent. That way someone like me doesn't have to think so hard to figure out what you were doing.  :-) —EncMstr (talk) 04:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Blond

Hello. I am referring to the space within the Geographic location section. There is only enough space for the map, anything else pushes down into the Culturally related ideas section. CanuckAnthropologist (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)